Originally posted by: malikakas
It is a complex situation that most of the media are not highlighting objectively. In 2014, the US/EU backed a coup in Ukraine that ousted a democratically elected government because it was Russia friendly. That's what prompted Russia to annex Crimea and support a separatist movement in the pro-Russian Eastern areas (the main bread basket). There are leaked phone calls with Victoria Nuland from the State department in the then Obama administration where the US handpicked who would lead the new Ukrainian government. Personally, calling Ukraine a democratic or sovereign state is highly questionable. They have had a low level civil war brewing since 2014 killing 14000+ people in the East. Russia has very real reasons to fear Nato expansion in its region. America would never tolerate similar interference in its neighbourhood (eg bay of pigs invasion and the cuban missile crisis). America has definitely not been playing fair in that region to talk about "upholding democracy/freedom".
Now I don't think Putin is a particularly moral character to buy into the story about de-nazifying Ukraine even though there is a history of the Ukrainian government pandering to the Neo-nazi groups incorporating them into their government. The neo-nazi groups were instrumental in the Euromaiden revolution ironically also called the "revolution of dignity". Just yesterday the official account of the Ukrainian national guard posted a video cheering on the Azov group greasing their bullets with lard in order to target the muslims in the Russian army (Chechnya regiment). Today twitter has suppressed the ability to share the link even though the tweet and video are still up.
Additionally, the entire oil/gas conflict of interest has been completely side swept by the media just like the impropriety of Hunter Biden being paid off by a Ukrainian oil and gas company to introduce them to his dad the then VP Biden.
It is hard to support Putin's invasion given the terrible cost to the innocent people of Ukraine but there is also something very questionable about the West's hypocritical weaponization of western values that in theory we all uphold but rarely gets upheld by the west outside of its sphere.
I would always question everything I read from both sides. But Jimmy Dore shares some interesting information that hasn't been laid out well in MSM.
I agree with most of what you said. But Yanukovych was not simply a Russia-friendly president. His regime was a puppet of Russia. That's why his removal pissed off Russia so much; the annexation of Crimea was an act of aggression no matter what it was prompted by. Come what may, interference in a country's internal affairs is wrong. If US is wrong to engineer a revolt, then so is Russia to annex a part of Ukraine (although they give the good old Slavic people excuse).
My point is, USA and the NATO might be using Ukraine as their pawn, but Russia isn't some innocent bystander. The Euromaidan movement might have had neo-Nazi elements but Zelensky is a democratically elected head of state.
Also, if Ukrainian government's 'persecution' of seperatists in Donbass is a legitimate excuse for invasion, then if tomorrow Pakistan attacks India because of the latter's 'human rights violations' (as claimed by Pakistan) in Kashmir, will that be acceptable? No way, right?
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