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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: Pearl_219

haan agar normal life guzaar rahay hotay to j ko interfere nahi kerna chahea tha but yahan arshi ke mistake ha so j ko support kerna chahea😌😃

Arshi and Ani's mistake...both.

Ani has treated Arshi so shabbily and based on his erratic moods; this was bound to happen. Arshi is an idiot controlled by an evil mother like Shrishti and Ani knows this. Its not like Ani has not seen the bad side of the Mukerjees. You harbor a snake in the house willingly, you always are taking the chance it will bite you. Thats the nature of the snake.

This track was always a ticking bomb waiting to happen.

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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: Angel_Shweta

han toh ani ke arshi ke saath intimate hone pe ya arshi ka pregnant hone pe bhi jhanak ko koi issue nhi hona chahiye..this is what she wanted na...ani moving on with arshi..uske saath happily rhe....i hope she don't be angry at ani later...smiley29

J has no reason to be upset. If Ani cries innocence, to hold on to J, then she may get pulled into this mess. Based on what I can see, Arshi will act the victim, and Ani will be forced to accept his role in it per Arshi's play. Unless J figures out somehow that Arshi intentionally set him up; she has no right to interfere here.

I was hoping Leena will stop with the framing, but it seems like Ani Arshi will go the whole way. Leena wont shy from bringing a baby to keep Arshi relevant. She did it in Imlie. It was a disgusting track. and I for sure will not watch it

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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: PPak

i feel the same way. Charm is lost.

Ani's charm was his cleverness and him being an unshakeable shield for J.

Ani now is an hopeless helpless soul who needs Arshi for comfort, who cannot even do a tenth of what Lalon is doing, he is just wallowing in his own self pity and trusting and listening to everyone blindly. At one point seeing him in the frame was so exciting and he was a pleasure to watch. For the last 100 + episodes this Ani seems pathetic. Jhanak seems like she has moved on. I cannot connect with her feelings for Ani after everything she has done to him.

Right now watching - so I can get closure and move on. Hoping Ani Arshi baby will do that for me.

so true… exactly my feelings i.e no feelings smiley36
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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: PPak

Bold - you said it. J was being held captive by a man she detests and has not encouraged one bit. Ani is being held captive by a woman he has handed himself to in marriage and has begged not to leave him. Ani will never learn, yet J should stand by him? Maybe he wants to have and eat his cake? Thats what it seems to me. The minute J leaves or hurts him he runs to Arshi for her comfort.

You are course making the assumption here that they love each other. enough for this kind of faith :) Both have shown time and again neither has this faith wrt the other. If writers show something where their faith in eo is rebuilt - it would make sense. Here writer seemed to be going there and then did u turn with asking Arshi to stay because he feels weak in front of her. Sorry Rekha, they have made Ani seem like a weak helpless man, when the situation does not warrant it. So many love stories go through real trauma and people overcome it. Here trauma is generated by the leads decisions when there are clear options to get over them. Suffering because you chose to give in to your parents wishes or being in a non ideal situation because of your own sense of commitment; these are choices you make and keep by them. Here Ani makes these choices like he is some great mahaan and then cannot keep up with his own promises in the true sense of upholding his decisions.

J wants Ani to be happy with Arshi and Ani wants both J and Arshi in diff ways. Two river banks that will indeed never meet. You actually want to see J protecting Ani, post Arshi using him, The very notion of Ani making love to Arshi while imagining J is nauseating. Let's not blame only Arshi in this matter. Ani is the one who created the situation that has allowed encouraged and justified Arshi in her mind to do the creepy stuff she is doing. Vinayak had a line where he said if Arshi follows her mother insead of her vusool, ... so this is Arshi crossing the line to become the vamp. in Imlie the FL support for the ML post rape was understandable, the FL and viewers were convinced of the ML's love for the FL. He repeated it and was at a stage when she was his accepted wife. Here Ani has accepted Arshi and has started to move on without J. He even told Arshi that in time he wil be able to give her the darja of wife. He is only saying he loves J; he is doing everything to ensure he has option #2 lined up, once he finishes grieving for J.

J is always watching out for how she is being perceived (home breaker) over her feelings rather than focussing on their love, and Ani loves J, but is weak in front of Arshi and is ok to be with her if he cannot get 'J'; after all per him love does not happen just once.

For a truly upto 200th episode love story, I do see your logic. Now that kind of love does not exist from both sides, as far as the storytelling goes. I can only go by the story I see and the choices the leads make, not by what I want to see.

If you can see the kind of love from Runak now that calls for a leap of faith - then i can see your take. I cannot ...so I still cant see J jumping into a scenario that should not concern her. She has left BH for Arshi didi. She has first hand experience of Ani insulting her to an unforgivable extent because he forgot. There is no basis for her to give Ani the benefit of doubt here. There is too much working against him here.

But eod, sequence is important here. Lets see if writers come up with something now that can justify a J leap of faith amongst all the nonsense that has been happening lately? Lets see.

Priya we will never agree on how we read this story 😂 but that’s ok…
Is decency weakness? Is indecisiveness weakness? Not in my books… Ani took a while to accept his love for Jhanak but how to read indecision as weakness? If I was in a relationship with a person and attracted to someone else… I surely hope I take my time 😂😂😂😂 about my love life…

There is no one way a love story justifies itself. For instance if J decides to take a leap of faith and realise that Ani hadn’t been in a situation of consensual s*x and understands the machinations of Shristi and Arshi.. she has been exposed to more in life… to me that is educative. Yes, she had inhibitions to break the bond between Ani and Arshi ( to me that’s an entrenched patriarchal expectation of sacrifice from women as upholders of tradition) but somewhere the writer has to show the character has learnt by experience - that dialogue of “ Aashirwad wapas lena” has to come true somewhere.. Ofc if Leena wants to keep extending she will not proceed along this path. But my point is this situation however vile it be, can only be fought by Jhanak by showing trust and in liberating herself from the shackles of vows etc.

priya, when we analyse a character… aren’t we supposed to pay attention to the writer’s thought process? Why are we making concessions for the writer’s thought process? I have a simple question to ask you. What caused the writer to gloss over the married status of Ani Arshi? What caused the writer to make one of her character who is “supposedly wife” to resort to deception for intimacy? If she had the courage of conviction and believed her character had a voice, why choose an underhand mode to put forth a perspective. So, as far as I read the writer’s way… she does not have any other way to establish the conflict in the absence of the relationship.. Arshi can only stand between Ani and Jhanak by forcing her way cos she has been shown to have the knowledge that Ani does not love her anymore. The charade or facade or adjustment is now over from both sides. The gloves are now off..If she was installed as the actual wife, just her legal status would have been sufficient to cause the conflict. But Leena has no guts to treat this story as one of incompatibility and create a story based on that conflict.

Also, How can we analyse it from how we want the character to behave. Correlation isn’t causation. To say, because you are drunk… you are open to violation is crazy… Sorry if you read the implications of this you will see it differently I hope. Even in law, the moment one is drunk or drugged, we are incapacitated from decision making. That holds for anyone.

Ani asking Arshi to stay back was an expedient aspect of the story. Even if he did not ask her to stay… she would anyway have done so. Arshi hasn’t ever needed any justification for staying back. She did not leave him when Ani went to Mumbai, so frankly this I read as Leena’s easy fix of reading lay audiences as careless about men’s flaws… What I am not entirely clear about is Lena’s feelings about Arshi? If she hasn’t opted for this deception, I might have said she feels the need for greyness but with this I am not sure…


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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: sanfan

Priya we will never agree on how we read this story 😂 but that’s ok…I know this is just a counter arg
Is decency weakness? Is indecisiveness weakness? Not in my books… Ani took a while to accept his love for Jhanak but how to read indecision as weakness? If I was in a relationship with a person and attracted to someone else… I surely hope I take my time 😂😂😂😂 about my love life…

as long as you are not negatively impacting another. here Ani took his time and in the bargain caused grest disruption to Arshi and J's lives by being dishonest and twisting the truth. If he had been honest - decency and indecisiveness is ok - dishonesty to everyone in his family is more than weakness...its a matter of integrity and trust

There is no one way a love story justifies itself. For instance if J decides to take a leap of faith and realise that Ani hadn’t been in a situation of consensual s*x and understands the machinations of Shristi and Arshi.. she has been exposed to more in life… to me that is educative. Yes, she had inhibitions to break the bond between Ani and Arshi ( to me that’s an entrenched patriarchal expectation of sacrifice from women as upholders of tradition) but somewhere the writer has to show the character has learnt by experience - that dialogue of “ Aashirwad wapas lena” has to come true somewhere.. Ofc if Leena wants to keep extending she will not proceed along this path. But my point is this situation however vile it be, can only be fought by Jhanak by showing trust and in liberating herself from the shackles of vows etc.

true - I dont disagree. I am saying, she does not have enough from Ani to justify a leap of faith based on my watching Ani's character shaping. Maybe you see writer giving Ani growth in J's eyes.

priya, when we analyse a character… aren’t we supposed to pay attention to the writer’s thought process? Why are we making concessions for the writer’s thought process? I have a simple question to ask you. What caused the writer to gloss over the married status of Ani Arshi? What caused the writer to make one of her character who is “supposedly wife” to resort to deception for intimacy? If she had the courage of conviction and believed her character had a voice, why choose an underhand mode to put forth a perspective. So, as far as I read the writer’s way… she does not have any other way to establish the conflict in the absence of the relationship.. Arshi can only stand between Ani and Jhanak by forcing her way cos she has been shown to have the knowledge that Ani does not love her anymore. The charade or facade or adjustment is now over from both sides. The gloves are now off..If she was installed as the actual wife, just her legal status would have been sufficient to cause the conflict. But Leena has no guts to treat this story as one of incompatibility and create a story based on that conflict.
Leena is taking the cowards way by having the not really married excuse as a unspoken insecurity for Arshi and a escape hatch for Ani in terms of societal morality - but Ani has never explicitly stating she is not his wife. He may ask her to leave or insult her, but he still acknowledges a firm relationship - that needs legal means to undo. He gives Arshi complete haq over him. He walked away today post the Nutan is BB daughter revelation, when Arshi led him away like she owned him. Even when she is seducing him using J's name, he says he will never forget she is his wife with another. He accepts her as his wife; just not as his love. In this case Arshi still has wife haq. She is not deceiving here, she did not say anything infactual, she is using him at his vulnerable moment. She is not forcing him physically, but rather making the case she can be Jhanak for him. Isnt this very much like what Ani did to Jhanak. Holding her telling her he loved her, pushing J into something she was not ready to, because she loved him and thought he loved her. Here you can argue Arshi could feel as wife once they are physical she can wipe Ani's obsession with J. See Arshi is not pretending to be Jhanak, she is saying she is J's cousin, shares her blood, nothing wrong here. She is taking advantage of Ani when he is vulnerable, which is wrong but not deception. If Arshi is wrong here, so is J who was pressurized into sleeping with Ani.


Also, How can we analyse it from how we want the character to behave. Correlation isn’t causation. To say, because you are drunk… you are open to violation is crazy… Sorry if you read the implications of this you will see it differently I hope. Even in law, the moment one is drunk or drugged, we are incapacitated from decision making. That holds for anyone.

Same as he was druged in Kashmir - is it not? So J and Arshi both users - agreed? J kept saying Ani will not remember anything in the morning.

Ani asking Arshi to stay back was an expedient aspect of the story. Even if he did not ask her to stay… she would anyway have done so. Arshi hasn’t ever needed any justification for staying back. She did not leave him when Ani went to Mumbai, so frankly this I read as Leena’s easy fix of reading lay audiences as careless about men’s flaws… What I am not entirely clear about is Lena’s feelings about Arshi? If she hasn’t opted for this deception, I might have said she feels the need for greyness but with this I am not sure…

Its the expedicency that was rendered, that shows how the writers handed him partial accountability, asking her to stay right before the kaand. They do not want to show this as Arshi deception alone. They wanted to ahow Ani's culpability - else they could have come up with many other scenarios where Arshi comes in and actively deceives Ani. In my opinion writers are clearly making the case that Ani's actions are prompting Arshi's desperate moves and giving her basis for the deception. In Imlie the ML was intentionally drugged and made to believe the PL was FL by dressing like her. There the ML is justifiably excused. If they wanted to show Ani as pure victim, writers could have removed all finger pointing situations from Ani. Leena has always intended for Ani to be a weak indecisive hence causing trouble ML. This is her characterization clearly. Esle Ani would not be making so many mistakes. Leena would have written up good defenses for his actions. She is capable of and clearly did not.

Are you not analysing this as how you want Ani to behave? Fact is per writers he is making mistakes - expediency notwithstanding

Taking liberties in arguing with you knowing you take it as intended - just as a counter argument. Don't mean to fully negate your argument. I can see where you are coming from. Just trying to show you how I am reading the same story through diff lenses.

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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: sanfan

Priya we will never agree on how we read this story 😂 but that’s ok…
Is decency weakness? Is indecisiveness weakness? Not in my books… Ani took a while to accept his love for Jhanak but how to read indecision as weakness? If I was in a relationship with a person and attracted to someone else… I surely hope I take my time 😂😂😂😂 about my love life…

There is no one way a love story justifies itself. For instance if J decides to take a leap of faith and realise that Ani hadn’t been in a situation of consensual s*x and understands the machinations of Shristi and Arshi.. she has been exposed to more in life… to me that is educative. Yes, she had inhibitions to break the bond between Ani and Arshi ( to me that’s an entrenched patriarchal expectation of sacrifice from women as upholders of tradition) but somewhere the writer has to show the character has learnt by experience - that dialogue of “ Aashirwad wapas lena” has to come true somewhere.. Ofc if Leena wants to keep extending she will not proceed along this path. But my point is this situation however vile it be, can only be fought by Jhanak by showing trust and in liberating herself from the shackles of vows etc.

priya, when we analyse a character… aren’t we supposed to pay attention to the writer’s thought process? Why are we making concessions for the writer’s thought process? I have a simple question to ask you. What caused the writer to gloss over the married status of Ani Arshi? What caused the writer to make one of her character who is “supposedly wife” to resort to deception for intimacy? If she had the courage of conviction and believed her character had a voice, why choose an underhand mode to put forth a perspective. So, as far as I read the writer’s way… she does not have any other way to establish the conflict in the absence of the relationship.. Arshi can only stand between Ani and Jhanak by forcing her way cos she has been shown to have the knowledge that Ani does not love her anymore. The charade or facade or adjustment is now over from both sides. The gloves are now off..If she was installed as the actual wife, just her legal status would have been sufficient to cause the conflict. But Leena has no guts to treat this story as one of incompatibility and create a story based on that conflict.

Also, How can we analyse it from how we want the character to behave. Correlation isn’t causation. To say, because you are drunk… you are open to violation is crazy… Sorry if you read the implications of this you will see it differently I hope. Even in law, the moment one is drunk or drugged, we are incapacitated from decision making. That holds for anyone.

Ani asking Arshi to stay back was an expedient aspect of the story. Even if he did not ask her to stay… she would anyway have done so. Arshi hasn’t ever needed any justification for staying back. She did not leave him when Ani went to Mumbai, so frankly this I read as Leena’s easy fix of reading lay audiences as careless about men’s flaws… What I am not entirely clear about is Lena’s feelings about Arshi? If she hasn’t opted for this deception, I might have said she feels the need for greyness but with this I am not sure…


regarding Arshi - I think this is where Leena intends to turn Arshi negative. I do believe Arhsi will turn positive for a bit. I know you bring up aashirwad taking back, but these days I dont have hope of Leena actually looking to tie the loose ends or make true the foreshadowings. It seems be be a whole new story sometimes. Urvasi is no longer relevant, the whole vinayak line of likely being interested in urvasi was all a line; now J saying her mom could have been killed - when there is a suicide note, Urvasi calling herself BB's wedded wife.

I always wondered why I could never predict - what is coming next. My record with this is usually good. Now I know. I go by logic and analysis. Leena is not telling a clear accountable story. She changes stories and emotions per her convenience. As such no one can have an opinion r predict anything because there is no story integrity.

I feel Shristi's truth revelation will bring abt a Arshi partial change of heart - either real or as an act. They need Runak for a bit to show any conflict with Ani Arshi baby. So this baby will surface after J gets some right with Ani. This will also keep the yuccky BH conflict alive.

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