Character discussions - Arnav, Khushi and Anjali - Page 2

Originally posted by: Gags05

Arnav was a lost cause from the very beginning.. His Ex, Lavanya saw it.. His Naani saw it.. His di saw it, her bhua knew it.. NK knew it..

Pretty damn sure, the house help, Ramprakash also knew it...

And I agree, it was all added for some tadka where he goes to the mandap and there was a pause.. But when he came to the mandap, he came there to wed her, against everything that was holding him against to go ahead with the wedding..

And I am glad they did get wed.. Not cos of the con, one night before that.. (though it did make me uncomfortable all those years back, thinking it shall lead to them getting separated later), and not only cos they were the end game.. But because it proved that Arnav 's redemption was real and not as per his convenience.

Ek baar jo ladka sudhara Khushi ke pyaar me, phir bas, acha insaan, chalta phirta green forest ban gaya..

@Red Love this line . Your reasoning and explanation is spot on.

Just one thing, Ram nahi Hari... mana ki dono Vishnu ko hi refer karte hai But the house help was named Hari Prakash .

Refer 1st page 3rd post for character info on all 3 Prakash brothers.... written by yours truly . (Thoda self promotion to chalta hai )

Originally posted by: Farah6

Yes now I agree.. he had come there to wed her only, but probably initially he wanted some explanations from garima because when NK asked where was he.. he said i was searching for answers.. i think he wanted a conversation with garima, although he would still have married khushi, but wanted some closure but when he saw her fainting and falling, his expressions changed from reserved to loving, and i think he then decided to leave everything behind and move on whole heartedly

Oh yes.. armav surely was a lost cause from the begining.. all his anger towards her was just his own frustration that he couldnt stop thinking abt her and how her pain always affected him, no matter what… and also CVs handled Arnav character growth well, as considering his personality, when on diwali he tried to kiss her, how he couldnt believe himself that how he had no control over himself and his ego got hurt and in frustration , he got engaged to Lavanya..

I loved lavanya too.. very rare positive third angle in a show.. such gracefully she exited.. i wish she had made a comeback later but i know she wouldnt

I like your explanation of the remarriage scene .

Everyone here loves Lavanya and once you're done watching the whole show, you can probably start with the many many fan fictions written on IPK (if you like reading). There are plenty where Lavanya makes a comeback... and is even paired up with NK .

I think they would have made a cute couple . Both NRI kinda turned Desi . Both in love / having a crush on Arnav / Khushi.... but still being Arshi shippers . They had a lot in common and would have hit it off instantly... even if not as a couple, then as friends at the least. Can you imagine both of them... along with Khushi... stirring up a storm... while Arnav looks on in fond exasperation .

Originally posted by: ssttuuttii

Again a track added for telly drama. A typical man stuck between his mother and wife sorta scene... although they replaced mum with sis... but Anjali was almost like a mother to Arnav so similar parallels. I usually skip all these scenes when rewatching because nearly all the characters were butchered post the kidnapping track... especially Anjali.

For this scene in particular, I just think that Arnav was being sensitive to Anjali's delicate condition at that time.... and saying whatever she needed to hear from him. If you look at the scene, Anjali is appeased on hearing all this, so Arnav’s goal was achieved.

Yes, it was senseless, for Arnav to say it and also for Anjali to be happy about it. Anjali has always been an Arshi shipper so this wasn't something that sat well with me, but I try to explain it away as her instantaneous negative reaction towards Khushi for being the reason Shyam was thrown out.... as well as past trauma acting up and making her even more clingy towards her Chote. While the effect of their past is seen more clearly in Arnav's behavior and personality traits, let's not forget that Anjali went through it all too... and perhaps even more as her marriage was also broken off. While she might seem to have moved on from it all, it is likely that when hardships come, she will cling to the only unwavering support she has known all her life... and when she's used to having his whole attention, it wouldn't have been easy for her to accept that his priorities have shifted now.

I personally believe, Arnav did need a better balance. Yes, the flight miss wasn't his fault... nor was him trying to spend time with his wife or wooing her. But the timing of this track was very ridiculous because how could Arnav... who is so dedicated to his sis that he could marry someone he apparently "hated" just to save her marriage... be so ignorant towards her need for attention now?! It is all kinds of stupid and needed better writing and more heartfelt scenes... but after the 1 month long kidnapping track, they were probably trying to give more Arshi content to satisfy the audience, even though it didn't make a lot of sense at that time .

Whoops... typed out a lot . TL;DR in Bold.

Well.. i think that Arnav did manage to keep a fine balance between Anjali and Khushi and he did try to give as much attention as possible to Anjali.. but his desperate attempts to woo khushi back then... from her birthday to this scene and later were to rectify his own mistake when in anger he had blamed khushi for Anjalis condition and called khushi the biggest mistake of his life.. he knew he had hurt her a lot and all his attempts to woo her were a result of that guilt which he felt for hurting her so much.. he just wanted to win her back.. but at the same time i felt he was most considerate to Anjali’s needs as well

I am liking all of yours detailed posts soo much as you guys must have discussed all these things to death, already earlier but this is the first time, I am watching so loving these discussions

Originally posted by: ssttuuttii

I like your explanation of the remarriage scene .

Everyone here loves Lavanya and once you're done watching the whole show, you can probably start with the many many fan fictions written on IPK (if you like reading). There are plenty where Lavanya makes a comeback... and is even paired up with NK .

I think they would have made a cute couple . Both NRI kinda turned Desi . Both in love / having a crush on Arnav / Khushi.... but still being Arshi shippers . They had a lot in common and would have hit it off instantly... even if not as a couple, then as friends at the least. Can you imagine both of them... along with Khushi... stirring up a storm... while Arnav looks on in fond exasperation .

Yes yes.. would have loved Lavanya and NK together as both were such positive characters.. love NK too.. dont know why CVs never came up with this idea? I think they pair him up with Sheetal…? I think i read this somewhere.. why stupid Sheetal.. why not lavanya??

Originally posted by: Farah6

Yes yes.. would have loved Lavanya and NK together as both were such positive characters.. love NK too.. dont know why CVs never came up with this idea? I think they pair him up with Sheetal…? I think i read this somewhere.. why stupid Sheetal.. why not lavanya??

They don't exactly pair them up... just a few scenes showing NK trying to flirt with Sheetal. I think Sheetal wasn't meant to be the evil vamp as she turned in the end. My view is that they were trying to be bold, and show a kinda modern family where a child from a past fling could also coexist with the current partner... but Arshi fan following at that point was rabid so maybe they were afraid of the backlash...? If you look at it carefully, Sheetal's evil transformation is very sudden... in the initial episodes she wasn't shown in such a negative light.. but then suddenly she is the devil incarnate.. doing all sorts of melodrama .

Although I didn't watch IPK from the very beginning... started from the Payash wedding and saw the previous episodes later... so most of my fandom experience is from after their marriage episodes... But there is no doubt that the initial episodes were more well written. Later on, especially starting from kidnapping phase, whether it was the actors' unavailability / reluctance to continue, pressure from Channel and Production House, fandom demands... or a mix of all these... but the writing quality went really down. Even when good tracks were initiated, they weren't carried out with the same gusto and saw lots of changes constantly. I think the main writer had also left the team by then, if I'm not wrong... but it was so long back that I might be misremembering .

So trying to make sense of these episodes is a difficult task. It's good that IPK ended when it did (even if I cried buckets back then ), rather then degrading further.

Originally posted by: Farah6

Well.. i think that Arnav did manage to keep a fine balance between Anjali and Khushi and he did try to give as much attention as possible to Anjali.. but his desperate attempts to woo khushi back then... from her birthday to this scene and later were to rectify his own mistake when in anger he had blamed khushi for Anjalis condition and called khushi the biggest mistake of his life.. he knew he had hurt her a lot and all his attempts to woo her were a result of that guilt which he felt for hurting her so much.. he just wanted to win her back.. but at the same time i felt he was most considerate to Anjali’s needs as well

It was after this scene that he tried to balance them... until then, he seemed more set on wooing Khushi.

Yes, you're right about him trying to rectify his mistake... and while it's not right, a lot of people say things they don't really mean, when angry. But once he had calmed down and came back to see her leaving, using the contract marriage to stop her was the lowest of lows . I don't think I've ever been more angry on Arnav as I was then, because NOTHING can justify what he did. The heartbreak he caused to Khushi (and fans ) couldn't be patched up with some gifts and celebrations... and he out of all people should have known that Khushi is not materialistic that way .

The gifts and stuff should have gone Anjali's way instead... satisfying her need for attention and making her feel special.... while proper communication and talking was what Khushi needed... not his angry remarks or blame, not the idiotic gifts and certainly not the reinforcement of contract conditions or being under his thumb and becoming biwi TV and whatever nonsense was going on there.

So I don't agree that Arnav maintained a fine balance... in fact, he did more damage then good on both sides . He's lucky both the women... and more importantly Khushi, sorted things out by themselves... or the situation turned in his favor somehow .

P.S. i was more of a silent member of the forum back then, so haven't participated in a lot of discussions. And even if it were repeated, discussing IPK and getting to see it from new viewpoints is always fun . So glad to be having these discussions with you .

Originally posted by: ssttuuttii

It was after this scene that he tried to balance them... until then, he seemed more set on wooing Khushi.

Yes, you're right about him trying to rectify his mistake... and while it's not right, a lot of people say things they don't really mean, when angry. But once he had calmed down and came back to see her leaving, using the contract marriage to stop her was the lowest of lows . I don't think I've ever been more angry on Arnav as I was then, because NOTHING can justify what he did. The heartbreak he caused to Khushi (and fans ) couldn't be patched up with some gifts and celebrations... and he out of all people should have known that Khushi is not materialistic that way .

The gifts and stuff should have gone Anjali's way instead... satisfying her need for attention and making her feel special.... while proper communication and talking was what Khushi needed... not his angry remarks or blame, not the idiotic gifts and certainly not the reinforcement of contract conditions or being under his thumb and becoming biwi TV and whatever nonsense was going on there.

So I don't agree that Arnav maintained a fine balance... in fact, he did more damage then good on both sides . He's lucky both the women... and more importantly Khushi, sorted things out by themselves... or the situation turned in his favor somehow .

P.S. i was more of a silent member of the forum back then, so haven't participated in a lot of discussions. And even if it were repeated, discussing IPK and getting to see it from new viewpoints is always fun . So glad to be having these discussions with you .

As far as Arnav using contract marriage to stop her was concerned.. while it was wrong and extremely hurtful for khushi, but to me..it was very clear it was his last desperate attempt to stop her.. as when he came back, he apologised to khushi, and said that he didnt mean what he said, and he is sorry, she shouldnt go anywhere.. but when she was admanant to go and he couldnt stop her otherwise, then he used contract marriage as an excuse just to stop her as he couldnt see her leaving.. it was wrong to use contract matriage as it hurt her even more but then i could understand why he did that..

Also i think during this tractk Arnav did try to talk to Khushi but she wasnt giving him much chance to talk and clarify.. as once he did say that its so easy to talk to you while you are asleep.. also later she left without telling him anything and using bua ji as an excuse..

Oh yea its great that we are having these discussions.. its always fun to listen to others point of view and hear different angles

Originally posted by: Farah6

As far as Arnav using contract marriage to stop her was concerned.. while it was wrong and extremely hurtful for khushi, but to me..it was very clear it was his last desperate attempt to stop her.. as when he came back, he apologised to khushi, and said that he didnt mean what he said, and he is sorry, she shouldnt go anywhere.. but when she was admanant to go and he couldnt stop her otherwise, then he used contract marriage as an excuse just to stop her as he couldnt see her leaving.. it was wrong to use contract matriage as it hurt her even more but then i could understand why he did that..

Also i think during this tractk Arnav did try to talk to Khushi but she wasnt giving him much chance to talk and clarify.. as once he did say that its so easy to talk to you while you are asleep.. also later she left without telling him anything and using bua ji as an excuse..

Oh yea its great that we are having these discussions.. its always fun to listen to others point of view and hear different angles

No matter how desperate the situation was, he shouldn't have brought up the contract marriage. After everything that had happened... after Khushi nearly died saving him... after Arnav knew that he had misunderstood the terrace confrontation between Shyam and Khushi, so the entire foundation of their marriage was baseless. Instead of apologizing for the contract marriage, he goes on to call her the biggest mistake of his life (admittedly while angry)... and then brings up the contract to stop her . Put yourself in Khushi's place and think whether you would have been up for listening to any explanations or justifications after that?

She was hurt and perhaps also feeling guilty, so his apologies were obviously not going to work at that moment. But I think she would have been more conducive to listen later on, had he not reduced their relationship to a deal again. Let's not forget that he also started yelling at her when he went to Buaji's home the next day... is that how you pacify or convince someone?! Then he starts off by gifting her thoughtless items (again, this is the Arnav that put gold coins in a detergent packet bcz he knew how happy winning a prize would make her). So why would he make Aman choose her birthday gift?!

My explanation is that Arnav has gone through trauma bcz of the kidnapping so his brain is not fully functioning yet . (Not belittling actual trauma... just trying to find some humor in this awful track.)

Jokes apart, I think we will have to agree to disagree... bcz no matter how much I like IPK and Arshi, I find Arnav's behavior unjustifiable here. Arnav was always meant to be an anti-hero, a very complicated and flawed character... and that's his charm. But, like you said in one of your other comments, his character growth throughout the show is interesting. IPK is supposed to be his journey from gray to white... or at the very least from dark gray to light gray . Which is why these scenes hurt even more . Arnav in the beginning... from the office track.. was probably more ruthless. But back then, Khushi was a kinda nobody for him so it was easier to accept his harsh behavior. The contract marriage itself can be justified somewhat... bcz he did confront Shyam and try to find out the truth... but Shyam manipulated him into believing that Khushi was equally at fault. This though, nope! After all that growth, they can't just take him back to zero and expect the viewers to be okay with it.

The Arnav who can gift her bangles, or buy a whole shop worth of Pattal plates, or dance with her to make sure she doesn't lose... can surely do better than this .

P.S. Keep bringing up more scenes... I'm loving these riveting discussions .

Originally posted by: Farah6

As far as Arnav using contract marriage to stop her was concerned.. while it was wrong and extremely hurtful for khushi, but to me..it was very clear it was his last desperate attempt to stop her.. as when he came back, he apologised to khushi, and said that he didnt mean what he said, and he is sorry, she shouldnt go anywhere.. but when she was admanant to go and he couldnt stop her otherwise, then he used contract marriage as an excuse just to stop her as he couldnt see her leaving.. it was wrong to use contract matriage as it hurt her even more but then i could understand why he did that..

Also i think during this tractk Arnav did try to talk to Khushi but she wasnt giving him much chance to talk and clarify.. as once he did say that its so easy to talk to you while you are asleep.. also later she left without telling him anything and using bua ji as an excuse..

Oh yea its great that we are having these discussions.. its always fun to listen to others point of view and hear different angles

About Arnav trying to bring contract marriage, and getting her house locked-up, and stopping water supply and all that (I hope I understood the context, and these are the episodes you are referring to)

The guy did more harm, than damage control in those episodes.. He had lived with so much hatred towards a certain section of people, esp. poor women, who as per him, always trap rich men in exchange of money, that, it was not easy for him to start trusting Khushi, even though she did so much for him and his family..

He was portrayed more like an alpha male from the beginning, where it was nowhere about equality but more about dominance, and he always treated Khushi as his property..

It was only after the kidnapping track, and later when Shyam was brought to justice, that Arnav started mellowing down, and understood how much Khushi meant to him.. As I said earlier, from a completely red flag to a green forest, the transition was very gradual, and that's the beauty of IPK for me..

But to be very frank, the apologies never came, to the extent, which Khushi deserved.. yes he loved her.. Yes, he could have died or even killed for her.. But that guy, never learnt to apologize at least for the first 75% of the show.

Having said that, He is still the Anti-Hero/ troubled ML we have adored all these years, and Barun's good looks and that delicious accent definitely helped..