Upcoming Elections - Vote with a conscience - Page 55

Originally posted by: KJasoosChulbulP

So u prefer 100% cash below the table with no transparency like during INC raj ?

I'm all for honest, voluntary donations to parties that are open. You don't see something fishy about an ED raid on company X followed days later by a donation by the same company to the BJP? Most people would describe it as a shake-down. The quid-pro-quo, or the cause & effect are all there for people to see

Originally posted by: Palak2812

In this it is saying 2019 and in next tweet it is saying 2022.

Real date konsi hain?

In the cited text, it says that the ED attached assets on July 2019, and in October 2019, the company made its first purchase of those bonds

You don't see cause & effect?

Originally posted by: Vr15h

Roshni Act was an act enacted by past Kashmir CMs, from the Abdullahs to Mehbooba Mufti (who was in an alliance w/ the BJP) to do a demographic transformation of Hindu majority Jammu into a muslim majority. Since there are too many Hindus in Jammu, the way to do it was to surreptitiously allow Kashmiri muslims to encroach on government lands, such as river banks & forests, and also not take any action against them. That is something that Adv Ankur Sharma, shown above, legally fought in the High Court and got repealed

Since then, in 2018, he started a party called Ikkjutt Jammu, which was a Jammu sub-regional party dedicated to separating Jammu from Kashmir & protecting its religious and other identities. They've been campaigning in Jammu against the Roshni Act, settlement of Rohingyas in Jammu (which would also achieve the goals of the Roshni Act) and so on

However, since it's clear that the BJP doesn't give a you-know-what about Jammu, Ankur Sharma decided to take his party national. Almost exactly a year ago, he joined forces w/ journalist Sandeep Deo & some others, & launched a party at Haridwar called Ekam Sanatan Bharat. Sandeep Deo had been doing (and still does) regular features on his enterprise "India speaks daily" on how the BJP has been betraying Hindus. The party Ikkjutt Jammu is now the Jammu branch of Ekam Sanatan Bharat dal. Ankur Sharma is its president, Sandeep Deo its General Secretary, and the party has branches in almost all states. It's dedicated to making India a Sanatani state - something people thought the BJP was dedicated to, except that its constitution explicitly states that it's a Gandhian Socialist party

The party has a website https://Ekam4Sanatan.org and has 7 ideals, which one can find at the website. I think I listed it in either the RJB or the Gyanvapi thread, don't remember which

I'll address Art 370 separately. I had actually mentioned it weeks back, but I'm happy to do it again

I read about this party you support in the past. I like alternatives. Different povs. I can’t agree with all 7 ideals but is still a step up to current opposition. However our principle difference will remain. My own POV is not to have a religion based constitution … hence I like UCC and where India is headed. I do think that they should try to come to power in states like Kerala or WB etc where a change is needed and show how they will govern if coming to power. Will they be AAP or actually be a great alternative. For LS for now I hope NDA gets super majority to keep doing the great work on constitution ..

As for the Roshni act. TFS. Based on your explanation - I hope this is acted upon. Please don’t ever think that I think BJP or anyone can do no wrong. I like the direction they have broadly. But yes “miles to go before I sleep” applies to them and this action or lack thereof against this act seems to be a mistake by them or we are missing something.

Originally posted by: Vr15h

Repeal of Article 370 and 35A was good at first glance. Article 370 gave J&K the right to have a separate constitution, while 35A banned Indian from outside the state from buying land in J&K. At first glance, all looks hunky dory

However, since then, there have been 2 new requirements in J&K regarding owning property in the state:

➤ Agriculturist certificate, demonstrating that one would use that land for that purpose

➤ Domicile certificate in the state, which one can only get after living in the state for 15 years. By contrast, if a foreigner legally lives in India for 11 years, s/he can apply for citizenship

The second condition is a poison pill that effectively achieves the same purpose as 35A. Who in their right mind would want to settle in a state where they have to pay rent for 15 years, when they can take the same assets and buy a piece of property in, say, HP or Uttarkhand or Sikkim or Arunachal (I'm assuming here that such a person would wanna settle in the Himalayas, for whatever reason). So Indians still can't practically buy land in J&K or settle there

Okay, so J&K can't have its own constitution, which is good. But demographically, it's still heavily muslim, and w/ that comes encroachments of Hindus, both in Anantnag as well as in Jammu

once again. Thanks for sharing facts. I didn’t know about second part. 15 years residency to own any property is once again creating different rules for it which is not the goal. I hope this is changed (perhaps meant to be put in place with good Intention of not too much too soon ? No idea. Just a thought) but it needs to be changed over time and length should keep reducing to zero ultimately … as is case anywhere else in India. Good point again by you 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻. Good to see folks here that present facts so well and also opinions even if different from others :). Vs “if you are different you are brainwashed narrative I am seeing elsewhere “.

TY 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Originally posted by: Vr15h

I'm all for honest, voluntary donations to parties that are open. You don't see something fishy about an ED raid on company X followed days later by a donation by the same company to the BJP? Most people would describe it as a shake-down. The quid-pro-quo, or the cause & effect are all there for people to see

oh. I am not saying this is perfect. Heck as I have said. Even in US it isn’t and they know it. I think it’s a first step in right direction.

They need to keep improving on it. Make it 100% transparent as a starter (without court orders) as part of law. Put personal limits. Perhaps corp limits or not even allow crops to contribute. Etc.

The fact pattern of ED raid (good thing vs crime) but resulting action of where money went after (not a good thing) definitely not good. Again. I don’t think they are doodh ke dhuley. They too have corrupt people but I also think day by day things are going in right direction.

Building systems. Transparency and then enforcing honesty will take time. And also will need citizens like you to have an active voice. While zero crime / corruption won’t ever happen anywhere in world - one still has to keep working towards it.

For eg. On my last trip to India I learnt that there is still “black money” at levels more than I thought but also know that it is on path of reduction due to digitization of transactions / GST etc etc. Perhaps I am just patient and according to my POV I feel I am a realist - change takes time. I also think that’s why it’s a goal of 20 years to be “developed nation” vs false promises of 5-10.

Originally posted by: KJasoosChulbulP

I read about this party you support in the past. I like alternatives. Different povs. I can’t agree with all 7 ideals but is still a step up to current opposition. However our principle difference will remain. My own POV is not to have a religion based constitution … hence I like UCC and where India is headed. I do think that they should try to come to power in states like Kerala or WB etc where a change is needed and show how they will govern if coming to power. Will they be AAP or actually be a great alternative. For LS for now I hope NDA gets super majority to keep doing the great work on constitution ..

As for the Roshni act. TFS. Based on your explanation - I hope this is acted upon. Please don’t ever think that I think BJP or anyone can do no wrong. I like the direction they have broadly. But yes “miles to go before I sleep” applies to them and this action or lack thereof against this act seems to be a mistake by them or we are missing something.

All I am saying is that one should consider the alternatives. Two years ago, I'd occasionally watch "India speaks daily" and mentally say to Sandeep Deo that talk is cheap: it's easy to bash the BJP, but what's the alternative? The day he and Ankur Sharma announced the new party (I believe it was 27th March last year), he earned my respect by putting not just his money, but his entire reputation, credibility and future on the line, and I switched support from BJP to his party

I disagree that India should be secular. There are some hundred Christian countries, of which some 20 have Christianity as their official religion. Of the OIC's 57 members (some of whom are non-muslim, like Guyana, Mozambique & a few others), some 40 of them are officially islamic. There are 3 Hindu countries in the world - Nepal, Mauritius and India. There is no reason that India has to be secular. If there were a dozen or more, I might agree. The raison d'être of Israel - being a natural home of the world's Jews - is applicable to India in terms of Sanatanis

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

I don't get all the fuss around these electoral bonds..and don't think many care.

Do people really think voters r gonna decide their vote on the basis of this? Like even if The Con had got zero rupees I wouldn't vote for the party

They don't understand that BJP wasn't voted again because of no corruption. They were voted again because of what they did with basic services. And BJP has totally justified that with just the work they did during covid time. Everything else shouldn't even be counted because that was bare minimum a govt should do. Which the Congress failed to do.

Originally posted by: BeingBlunt

Basically the Congress thinks that we were voted out on corruption so lets try and do the same with BJP. Every time they do it. It was Rafale that time. EB which is actaully the opposite of corruption. There is proof of every donation. Not like before where no one knew anything.

They don't understand that BJP wasn't voted again because of no corruption. They were voted again because of what they did with basic services. And BJP has totally justified that with just the work they did during covid time. Everything else shouldn't even be counted because that was bare minimum a govt should do. Which the Congress failed to do.

https://x.com/Vinod_r108/status/1768668142497333656?s=20

Also agreed. Prev max corruption. Close to zero work and lack of progress/ going backwards. Now less corruption and a ton of work and progress.

How delusional to think corruption is low now n development?!! Bridges n tunnels are collapsing ..

Also bjp core base did vote against corruption .... IAC aana hazare swayed

Originally posted by: KJasoosChulbulP

https://x.com/Vinod_r108/status/1768668142497333656?s=20

Also agreed. Prev max corruption. Close to zero work and lack of progress/ going backwards. Now less corruption and a ton of work and progress.

Also there is not a single opposition leader who will come and own stuff boldly and bluntly like this.

Isse jyada bolenge to Bannable ho jayega.