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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Ashley.Tisdale

Not really.

US and Russia's issue dates back to decades.

What USA was trying to do is weaken Russia, split it further and then dominate the region.

If Ukraine were to be a part of NATO, USA would have entered that country, come to the Russia-Ukraine border and weakened Russia.

Ukraine basically fell for US's promises and didn't really help when Russia came for diplomatic talks. Now when Russia declared war, Ukraine has no support from US, except for sanctions.

To add to Ukraine's whims, UK has announced they will not fight Russian troops in Ukraine.

This is classic case of "kande pe bandook rakhke fire karna".


Another issue seems to be (according to certain sources) that a lot of Ukrainians still consider themselves to be Russians. So there's inner dispute.


Overall, its just a very bad situation.

It is a complex situation that most of the media are not highlighting objectively. In 2014, the US/EU backed a coup in Ukraine that ousted a democratically elected government because it was Russia friendly. That's what prompted Russia to annex Crimea and support a separatist movement in the pro-Russian Eastern areas (the main bread basket). There are leaked phone calls with Victoria Nuland from the State department in the then Obama administration where the US handpicked who would lead the new Ukrainian government. Personally, calling Ukraine a democratic or sovereign state is highly questionable. They have had a low level civil war brewing since 2014 killing 14000+ people in the East. Russia has very real reasons to fear Nato expansion in its region. America would never tolerate similar interference in its neighbourhood (eg bay of pigs invasion and the cuban missile crisis). America has definitely not been playing fair in that region to talk about "upholding democracy/freedom".


Now I don't think Putin is a particularly moral character to buy into the story about de-nazifying Ukraine even though there is a history of the Ukrainian government pandering to the Neo-nazi groups incorporating them into their government. The neo-nazi groups were instrumental in the Euromaiden revolution ironically also called the "revolution of dignity". Just yesterday the official account of the Ukrainian national guard posted a video cheering on the Azov group greasing their bullets with lard in order to target the muslims in the Russian army (Chechnya regiment). Today twitter has suppressed the ability to share the link even though the tweet and video are still up.


Additionally, the entire oil/gas conflict of interest has been completely side swept by the media just like the impropriety of Hunter Biden being paid off by a Ukrainian oil and gas company to introduce them to his dad the then VP Biden.


It is hard to support Putin's invasion given the terrible cost to the innocent people of Ukraine but there is also something very questionable about the West's hypocritical weaponization of western values that in theory we all uphold but rarely gets upheld by the west outside of its sphere.



I would always question everything I read from both sides. But Jimmy Dore shares some interesting information that hasn't been laid out well in MSM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8QfxZ3HHw

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: malikakas

It is a complex situation that most of the media are not highlighting objectively. In 2014, the US/EU backed a coup in Ukraine that ousted a democratically elected government because it was Russia friendly. That's what prompted Russia to annex Crimea and support a separatist movement in the pro-Russian Eastern areas (the main bread basket). There are leaked phone calls with Victoria Nuland from the State department in the then Obama administration where the US handpicked who would lead the new Ukrainian government. Personally, calling Ukraine a democratic or sovereign state is highly questionable. They have had a low level civil war brewing since 2014 killing 14000+ people in the East. Russia has very real reasons to fear Nato expansion in its region. America would never tolerate similar interference in its neighbourhood (eg bay of pigs invasion and the cuban missile crisis). America has definitely not been playing fair in that region to talk about "upholding democracy/freedom".


Now I don't think Putin is a particularly moral character to buy into the story about de-nazifying Ukraine even though there is a history of the Ukrainian government pandering to the Neo-nazi groups incorporating them into their government. The neo-nazi groups were instrumental in the Euromaiden revolution ironically also called the "revolution of dignity". Just yesterday the official account of the Ukrainian national guard posted a video cheering on the Azov group greasing their bullets with lard in order to target the muslims in the Russian army (Chechnya regiment). Today twitter has suppressed the ability to share the link even though the tweet and video are still up.


Additionally, the entire oil/gas conflict of interest has been completely side swept by the media just like the impropriety of Hunter Biden being paid off by a Ukrainian oil and gas company to introduce them to his dad the then VP Biden.


It is hard to support Putin's invasion given the terrible cost to the innocent people of Ukraine but there is also something very questionable about the West's hypocritical weaponization of western values that in theory we all uphold but rarely gets upheld by the west outside of its sphere.



I would always question everything I read from both sides. But Jimmy Dore shares some interesting information that hasn't been laid out well in MSM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8QfxZ3HHw

This is the reason I am not really going thru news portals (which don't seem to cover everything) as much as I am trying to dig up on the core of the problem.


In typical desi slang, ungli karoge toh ek time ke baad band bajegi (you are smart enough to know what I mean instead of band bajegi).


USA has had a problem with Russia's strength since the time it was USSR. Which is why USSR was broken into 12 separate countries. And with NATO and Ukraine, it was just another attempt to break Russia further.


What's truly scary is that China is backing Russia a 100%. Which brings it down to an East vs West scenario.


What Putin is doing isn't right on humanitarian grounds but from the Russian viewpoint, they're doing whatever it takes to save their own country. On the other hand, the West talks about humanity but have failed numerous times to practice what they preach.


Personally, as a believer of spirituality, may this Mahashivratri take away every negativity and adharma. May humans be surrounded by peace, good aura and positive energies from now and forever.

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Posted: 2 years ago

U.S. was perfectly within its rights to oppose the U.S.S.R after WWII. Communism/socialism is a miserable ideology which ends only in violence. Most supporters counter this with a yeah, but...


Yeah, but true communism has never been tried.😆 Gimme a break. The millions dead in U.S.S.R and under the Mao regime was not enough of a clue? How many more deaths will satisfy your bloodthirsty soul?


Democracy and capitalism have their faults, but neither is anywhere as evil as communism/socialism. The capitalist *might* someday be satisfied with an amount of money. The communist/socialist? Never! Because they do what they do out of a religious fervor of doing what is morally right (even when it's not) despite the will of the common people.


But around Korean War time, a military industrial alliance developed in the West which wants to keep wars going. That's how they make their money. The main center of this unholy alliance is in the U.S. President Eisenhower spoke about it decades ago, but no one has been able to break it.


So yes, the U.S.S.R needed to go, but the West keeps getting into wars or threats of wars because the alliance needs taxpayer money.


Then you have Putin, someone who called the dissolution of the Soviet Union one of the biggest tragedies of modern history 😆. Really? More than the African slave trade? More than colonization? More than the Holocaust? More than the World Wars?


Also, this invasion is not merely about NATO or the Soviet empire. Ukraine was called Russia's breadbasket. That's where food came from for Russians. At the end of the day, it's about money and power for him, too.


Plus, the whole communism dictatorship thing.


For the first time, the alliance has met someone crazy enough to call their bluff.


If the West were really serious about this stuff, they would immediately stop buying Russian oil. Energy exports form 36% of Russian budget. Keep it up for a few weeks, Putin would fold or be shot by his own generals.


But the West won't. 1) Because they need to buy Russian oil to keep up the pretense of low production at home. It's the only way to signal green virtue 😆 . Look at Biden. The U.S. was a net oil exporter. But last year, 7% of oil used here came from Russia. Biden went to OPEC to increase production. So he gets to tout green creds at home while increasing production elsewhere 😆. How does this make any sense?

2) The military industrial alliance still hasn't believed Putin is crazy enough to use nukes. I hope he doesn't. But the alliance wants to just keep up the pretense and not actually get into a nuclear war because the situation will give them enough excuse to make more money off taxpayers.


Common man is screwed everywhere. God save us all.


ETA. With re: China. They happen to be more rational IMO. They will stay out of the war even if verbally supporting Russia. 18% of their economy depends on exports to the West. Not to mention the western companies functioning there and providing jobs.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi


Well so far no Indian PM has invaded any other country or started the war including Modi.

I don’t think blaming parents for grown ups actions is a fair game.


But we Indians can surely take pride in that we are not a war mongering country!


India ke ander war kara rakhi hai...bahar war karne ki kya zaroorat hai..😳

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1


India ke ander war kara rakhi hai...bahar war karne ki kya zaroorat hai..😳

Mostly just right vs left wing politics which is happening pretty much across the whole world rn. France, US, UK, Turkey to just name a few. The extreme right wing are often perceived to be anti refugee, anti immigrants, anti minorities. Which is no different to the alleged “war like situation” left wingers allege the ruling party in India has created.

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Posted: 2 years ago

If anybody is confused and overwhelmed by all the info but still don't 'get' what's going on, here's US VP to the rescue


https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1498746249591373831

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: BettyA1

If anybody is confused and overwhelmed by all the info but still don't 'get' what's going on, here's US VP to the rescue


https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1498746249591373831


What the 🤣 Is she a kindergarten teacher? 🤣

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: BettyA1

If anybody is confused and overwhelmed by all the info but still don't 'get' what's going on, here's US VP to the rescue


https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1498746249591373831


Is this for real? Not spoofed?


If real, the U.S. is doomed.

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