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Aarthiviji thumbnail
Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Someone tagged me about Radha demanding Krishna save PanchališŸ˜†. As we all predicted.


Also, Krishna has to wait to be prompted to save Panchali? How is he any better than Pandavas then? He is as napunsak as the rest of the men.


I have to ask: what in the world does Swastik have against powerful women? Panchali was the empress of Aryavarta, its finance minister and citizen contact. From Vyasa's description, it was a prosperous place. Which means she did a fabulous job. That can't surely be the reason the production house obviously dislikes her.


She won her war against the Kauravas and Swastik's fav, Karna. Is that what?


Panchali never said that Andhe ka putr line. Not in ANY version of the epic. 


There is a play where MALE Krishna says it. From there to maligning a woman for what the male hero said. Why?


I hope Swastik and SIddharth Tiwari get the karma they richly deserve for this.


In Kalki avatar he ll get punished yaar

HearMeRoar thumbnail
Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34


In Kalki avatar he ll get punished yaar


I don't believe in avatars and stuff. Nor do I want people punished for being stupid.


But I do believe in karma. What good or harm we do eventually comes back to us. It will do Swastik as well.

Aarthiviji thumbnail
Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


I don't believe in avatars and stuff. Nor do I want people punished for being stupid.


But I do believe in karma. What good or harm we do eventually comes back to us. It will do Swastik as well.


Each one has one believe.


Karma only god creates to human being is the fact.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Very interesting topic discussed here, Radha prompting Krishna to save Yajnaseni in the royal court! What?

 Draupadi was the mysterious, fiery yet compassionate queen of the five Pandava brothers, and is also considered as the sole reason behind the great Mahabharat war!! But as a woman with sacred and Divine powers, Draupadi symbolizes the binding of the five chakras in the human body!! She is thus referred to as Kula Kundalini, which is an unconquerable power by any mere human.

 Rare in the culture of ancient times, Draupadi was a fearless woman. She demanded justice directly from Dhritarashtra, the king of Hastinapur when she was insulted. She, as Sairandhri, again demanded justice directly from king Virata when she was insulted by his brother-in-law Kichaka. She openly condemned those kings (Virata and Dhritarashtra) for failing to protect a woman. She even condemned great warriors such as Bhishma, Drona, Kripacharya, and her husbands for not saving her from the humiliation during the Cheer-Haran episode.

It is said that when Duryodhana and Dushasana subjected the Pandava princes' wife Draupadi to an attempt at disrobing her, she prayed to her Sakha, her brother Krishna. Then Krishna  sent immeasurable reams of cloth to keep Draupadi covered, thus defeating the evil and nefarious designs of the Kaurava princes. 

There are many reasons for Krishna's divine intervention. 

And there are other stories too to prove the good nature of Samrajni Draupadi! 

According to Vyasa's description in  Mahabharata, it's Draupadi's Dharma that saved her from the shame of being disrobed?!! 

 In Shiva Purana, it's stated that sage Durvasa gave a boon to Draupadi that saved her from being disrobed?!! Durvasa never had a history of saving someone, but it was mentioned in Shiv Purana that he pleased for the help of Panchali and blessed her with a boon!

Two different stories are in vogue. One - once while Sage Durvasa was taking bath in the river Ganga, his garment was washed away and, Draupadi who was there, then tore a portion of her clothing and gave that to him. Durvasa then blessed her that in critical times this generous act would come to her rescue.

 Another - During Sri Krishna's visit to Indraprastha, He injured his fingers. She tore a piece from her upper cloth and tied that to Sri Krishna's finger to arrest the flow of blood. In return for that virtuous act, she was saved from humiliation. 

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Very interesting topic discussed here, Radha prompting Krishna to save Yajnaseni in the royal court! What?

 Draupadi was the mysterious, fiery yet compassionate queen of the five Pandava brothers, and is also considered as the sole reason behind the great Mahabharat war!! But as a woman with sacred and Divine powers, Draupadi symbolizes the binding of the five chakras in the human body!! She is thus referred to as Kula Kundalini, which is an unconquerable power by any mere human.

 Rare in the culture of ancient times, Draupadi was a fearless woman. She demanded justice directly from Dhritarashtra, the king of Hastinapur when she was insulted. She, as Sairandhri, again demanded justice directly from king Virata when she was insulted by his brother-in-law Kichaka. She openly condemned those kings (Virata and Dhritarashtra) for failing to protect a woman. She even condemned great warriors such as Bhishma, Drona, Kripacharya, and her husbands for not saving her from the humiliation during the Cheer-Haran episode.

It is said that when Duryodhana and Dushasana subjected the Pandava princes' wife Draupadi to an attempt at disrobing her, she prayed to her Sakha, her brother Krishna. Then Krishna  sent immeasurable reams of cloth to keep Draupadi covered, thus defeating the evil and nefarious designs of the Kaurava princes. 

There are many reasons for Krishna's divine intervention. 

And there are other stories too to prove the good nature of Samrajni Draupadi! 

According to Vyasa's description in  Mahabharata, it's Draupadi's Dharma that saved her from the shame of being disrobed?!! 

 In Shiva Purana, it's stated that sage Durvasa gave a boon to Draupadi that saved her from being disrobed?!! Durvasa never had a history of saving someone, but it was mentioned in Shiv Purana that he pleased for the help of Panchali and blessed her with a boon!

Two different stories are in vogue. One - once while Sage Durvasa was taking bath in the river Ganga, his garment was washed away and, Draupadi who was there, then tore a portion of her clothing and gave that to him. Durvasa then blessed her that in critical times this generous act would come to her rescue.

 Another - During Sri Krishna's visit to Indraprastha, He injured his fingers. She tore a piece from her upper cloth and tied that to Sri Krishna's finger to arrest the flow of blood. In return for that virtuous act, she was saved from humiliation. 


Mahabharata does not call Krishna Draupadi's brother, just friend.


Also, Krishna doesn't save Draupadi in Mahabharata. She saves herself. Krishna didn't even know what was going on as he was fending off an attack by Salwa. This is said by Krishna himself in Kamyaka vana. Draupadi also tears a strip off Krishna for not being there when she needed him.


The Krishna injury story is folktale. 


I've heard about Durvasa river tale, but as Krishna.


Southern recension says women saved her. By that, I take Kunti and Subhadra did since Kaurava women cared nothing for Draupadi. 


I read the summary of the episode. Swastik made it pure sexual assault. Cheer haran was that but also more. It was a POLITICAL assault. Draupadi was the finance minister of Indraprastha. She was a princess of Panchal, a major power. The empire couldn't be won without defeating her, but she refused to admit she was enslaved. As long as she remained free, she was a threat. 


The makers gave Karna's order to strip Draupadi's clothes to Suyodhana. I don't know if they mentioned Karna's orders for her to choose a man to have sex with or the command to take her to the house for (sex) slaves. Regardless, these weren't idiot men. They weren't about to piss off Panchal without a very good reason. Cheer haran was sexual assault used as political weapon.


Not only that, Swastik took away Draupadi's triumph, her arguments against a king who lost control of himself, her exquisite knowledge of the duties of the elite. The production house reduced her to Pandavas' squeeze, begging the men for help. They never showed her lecturing Krishna on the dharma of kshatriyas, on justice. Because how can a woman lecture a man? #eyeroll How can Draupadi possibly be quite self-aware without Krishna telling her what to do? #doubleeyeroll Disgusting display of patriarchy, portrayed as feminism. 

Edited by HearMeRoar - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Well... well, well said, agreed with your every point. 

The Mahabharata is considered to be an authority in matters of State, government, polity, and philosophy. Even though it was written centuries ago, the political conflicts described therein resonate strongly with the events of today! There are numerous interpretations of the epic and the events that led to the Great War of Mahabharatha, but there is one particular incident that it is agreed proved to be the final blow in the rivalry between the Kauravas and the Pandavas -- the attempted disrobing of Draupadi.

When Draupadi protested against her disrobing by asking the Kauravas if it was Dharma to treat a woman in such a manner, Karna, a Kaurava ally, retorted that if a man loses himself in gambling, his master becomes the master of all his possessions, including his wife. He further told her that the ancient laws allowed a woman to go to only with four men with her husband's permission. Since Draupadi had been with five men, he said, she was a whore and public property, according to law. Hence, her disrobing was justified as it fell well within the bounds of law-- said by Karna!! 

There is no shortage of dilemmas in the Mahābhārata, however, one exceptional dilemma remains unresolved, a question unanswered even today. Did Yudhiį¹£į¹­hira have the right to stake DraupadÄ« in the ā€œfriendly" game of dice after he had lost himself? And was she, therefore, slave to the Kauravas? No one resolved this dilemma presented in the earliest instance of the dice game! 

Criticism of Yudhiį¹£į¹­hiraā€™s addiction, the silence or equivocation of the Kuru elders in the sabha and the inaction of DraupadÄ«ā€™s husbands at her ill-treatment causes indignation, but the censure is barely commensurate with the burden of guilt they might bear.

What factors facilitated the staking of DraupadÄ«, her proposed slave status, and subsequent mistreatment? Namely, Yudhiį¹£į¹­hiraā€™s failure as a husband, the inaction of the Kuru elders, the impotence of her husbands and the absence of Kį¹›į¹£į¹‡a and Vyāsa from the scene.

DraupadÄ« posed the ultimate dharmasaį¹…kaį¹­a issuing from the treatment of a lawfully wedded wife. Yudhiį¹£į¹­hiraā€”authority on dhārma, son of Dharmaā€”responds to his wifeā€™s question in the gambling hall with catatonic silence. He says nothing, good or bad!!! 

Once she is lost in the game of dice , Duryodhana immediately asks for her to be brought and wishes her to be with the serving girls and sweep the chamber. 

 Her first reaction is disbelief that her husband, a king no less, can stake his wife and she says Yudhiį¹£į¹­hira must have been stupefied in his intoxication for the game 

Ancient Indian literature, epics especially, abound with karmic consequences to explain the inexplicable. Sometimes, events are a result of actions from a previous birth, and sometimes in this very birth, but unknown to the protagonist or observer. Often, it is the curse of an irate sage.

The entire Mahabharaths is a political commentary on Kings and their ambitions, Kingdoms and boundaries, women as a showpiece, or a thing worth only to gamble, or a slave to use for fulfilling the lust,  or property to be won through a war!! 

Panchali waged a war on such atrocious outlook and tried her best to stand tall amidst this male unconquerable ego! 

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Posted: 3 years ago

I did watch Sept 23 episode. Swastik does use the line about foolish men blaming destiny for their foolishness with re: Yudhishtira. Draupadi actually said it, but in the show, Krishna says it. 


No matter. It needed to be said, so thank God for that. 


Vyasa's Draupadi was actually a very logical woman who was extremely aware of her duties to the citizenry. She didn't go on exile because of pativratha dharm or whatever. She went because she was part of the exile contract. 

Edited by HearMeRoar - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Why is the serial running so fast? Is it going to get over,?

They could have shown at least krishna going to Vidur's chamber for lunch.....!!

Aarthiviji thumbnail
Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: Kridhnaaradhika

Why is the serial running so fast? Is it going to get over,?

They could have shown at least krishna going to Vidur's chamber for lunch.....!!


No it won't end 

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Posted: 3 years ago

Is bhanu samba and Anirudh s entry confirmed?? Will they show suthanu since they are showing bhanu??