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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Yes, dear, thank you so much for the precise wording. I have now watched it, and it made me weep at the silliness of her reason for a suicide attempt. Your reason was the only sensible one, alas!

Shyamala Aunty

Dear Vanilla-e-Mint,
your bewilderment was Valid. But now that you have gone thru the thing...you will realise the news of the Kathua attack coincides with the Duelling Duo ridding on horse back...
looking every bit like running away from some chaser...πŸ˜ƒ
I just married reel and real...may be not a good thing to do
also some construed it as a mistake on my part πŸ˜ƒ
apologies for any confusion created😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42
Well, you do not have to apologise to me at least. The more confusion you create, the better I like it! But then not everyone here is like the two of us, soaked to the gills in Plum's brand of divine nuttiness! So who shall blame them for blaming your for unwarranted conphu...ushun?

Shyamala

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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
Thank you dear. As for me, I have given up all hope of anyone being able to din any sense into Jodha's head , and my profound sympathies go out to Jalal.

The only advantage for him is that unlike the situation today, he would not, in his era, have been bunged into jail for incitement to suicide!

Otherwise, just think of the headlines in the Agre ki Sansani Khabar: Begum ko khudkhushi ke liye uksane ke jurm mein Badshah salamat nazarband!!!πŸ˜‰

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: veil_of_roses

Hi Aunty fabulous write up. I watched show what it seems after ages. I didnt like it at all, I am tired of 'humara dum ghutata hai' line, precap was yawn worthy as well, i hAve no clue how jalal tolerates her. Someone needs to knock some sense in Jodha. Bharmal will say jodha ki doli gai hai aur arthi aayegi! That might be reason for "suicide" but she could have drank poison or her beloved jhohar y try yo drawn when she is a good swimmer.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
^^🀣 taza khabr πŸ˜†

We have a lot of advantages because it is a historical..but still
no divorce (still ekta managed to bring it up)
no plastic surgery (koi nai.. humshakal se kaam chala lo)
no amnesia (u never know)
some one in coma (yeh to nahi hoga.. )
leads getting married off to someone else (thank god surybhan is dead)

Basic Ekta ingredients are still there
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you dear. As for me, I have given up all hope of anyone being able to din any sense into Jodha's head , and my profound sympathies go out to Jalal.

The only advantage for him is that unlike the situation today, he would not, in his era, have been bunged into jail for incitement to suicide!

Otherwise, just think of the headlines in the Agre ki Sansani Khabar: Begum ko khudkhushi ke liye uksane ke jurm mein Badshah salamat nazarband!!!πŸ˜‰

Shyamala Aunty

That would surely be a whooper...πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜†
Just think... they would dig up the recent past when framing charges...
Non-bailable without a doubt...
Who do you suggest should stand councel for Jalal?
May be the Mullah Beqazi handbook will have to be invoked!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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thank u for the beautiful post

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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Aunty,I was really happy you made this post because it showed yesterday's episode from different perspective and it was enlightening for me. Bolded parts are the my favourite parts from your post. See, this is why we all look forward to your posts because sometmes they are soothing and enlightening sometimes strengthening our opinions. Thank you so much for taking time and writing this post.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

Jalal-Jodha 1: Prologue: This scene was preceded by the departure of Jodha's brothers, who left without meeting her. Their excuse of being in a hurry would hardly wash, as it must be at least 3 days to Amer on horseback, and an hour spent bidding farewell to Jodha would not have mattered. So either Bharmal must have told them not to alarm Jodha unnecessarily, or they must have decided to do so on their own, following the age-old maxim of keeping all the bad news from the (supposedly) fragile women of the household until it is too late to do anything about it.

As for the likely question you might have, and Mansi has, Why does Jalal not mention Jodha's projected departure to the brothers?, why, that is a non-starter. This is a sensitive matter concerning a daughter of their family, and propriety demands that it be discussed ONLY with the head of the family, her father, whose decision it would then be to share it with one or more or the others as he chose. It would have been grossly disrespectful on the part of Jalal to have told anyone other than his father-in-law about it.

What he tells Ruqaiya as to why he did not sent Jodha with her brothers, that they were going elsewehere, is true, but it is not the real reason. Nor the other thing he tells her, that the escort would have to come from Amer. The logical thing would have been for her husband to have sent her with a Mughal escort (NOT escort her himself, which would be acutely embarrassing in this case).

Jalal is waiting, not just for the Ameri escort, but for Bharmal's reaction and response. He might well be hoping that it is in the negative, for then Jodha would have to stay on despite, as he assumes now, wanting to leave.

But again, the real reason is that he is not sending Jodha back, she has elected to return, and for this , in any royal family of that era, her father's consent is necessary. As an honourable and responsible son-in-law, Jalal cannot simply dump his wife back in Amer as if she was a piece of unwanted baggage, even if she is demanding it.

Jalal-Jodha 1:


Now, for some more likely questions , also on Mansi's list, that might arise from Jalal telling Jodha that he had arranged for her departure, and the testy, irritable exchange of barbs that follows:

Mera yahan dum ghuthta hai, main Amer laut jana chahti hoon (translation: Why on earth, your stupid man, can you not see that mera dum yahan se jaane ki soch se ghuthta hai? Why can't you for once help me out and tell me Aap kahin nahin ja rahi hain, Jodha Begum, kyunki hum aap ko nahin jaane denge?) πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

Hum bhi aapko jaane se rokna nahin chahte (translation: Why on earth can you not see, your tiresome, pigheaded female, that all that I have been doing of late was to please you? Why can you not see that you are best off with me, not languishing in Amer?)πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

Qs: At which point did Jalal write the paigam to Bharmal? Why did Jalal not tell Jodha what arrangements he has made for her leaving? And, jumping ahead a bit to Jalal-Jodha Scene 2, Why did Jalal tell Jodha not to tell anyone about her leaving till her departure?

First of all, we need to stop taking Jalal's do din ke mehmaan as if was a deadline for a bomb timer to go off, set and immutable . It is only a throwaway phrase, meaning that the duration of her stay in Agra would now be limited. Jalal had asked Jodha to decide, and he now thinks he has an indirect answer, that she wants to leave. He will arrange for this soon, but hardly in 2 days!

He must, after her tirade of the night before, have decided to send a paigham to Bharmal, setting out the facts of the case, and informing him about Jodha's decision to return, leaving it to him to respond as he thought fit. This message might have gone off that morning, after the departure of the brothers but before his jungi riyaaz session. So what he tells Jodha, and later Ruqaiya, would be technically correct.

I think he does not tell Jodha what arrangements he has made because he is not at all sure of how Bharmal will respond. If he tells her now that he has written to her father, she might panic, anticipating that he would refuse to let her come back. That he might see her demand/desire as childish and irresponsible, both because of Rajput maryada, and because he now has a high opinion of Jalal and might thus blame her rather than him. She would thus have preferred to land in Amer straightway with a Mughal escort, and face her father and family with a fait accompli. Jalal anticipates all this, and he does not, for good reasons, want any more scenes from her!

As for why he tells her to keep the news of her leaving for good to herself, methinks it is for the same reason. Bharmal might very well refuse to take her back, and by telling her to keep it secret till it actually happens, Jalal probably wants to spare Jodha any humiliation in the harem, where she would be then mocked for being unwanted by both the Shahenshah and her family. He has by now come a long way from rejoicing in her guroor being thus trodden underfoot, whether he realises it or not.

Incidentally, Rose/Alakh had first suggested that Bharmal's refusal might be the reason for a desperate Jodha trying to drown herself. I would agree with her; I cannot think of any other reason that would be as strong and as immediate. (It must of course be hard for a good swimmer like Jodha - remember her in deep water when she rescues Rahim? - to die by drowning. A swimmer's body fights on its own, using familiar techinques, to survive).


Jalal-Jodha 2: This would be standard issue, but for Jodha's constant carping on Jalal's do din ke mehmaan.After she has finished repeating it, in a sulky, accusatory tone, about 4 times, even the dumbest of men would have realized that she was angry with him for wanting to, apparently, bundle her out in such short order. And, flowing naturally from this, that she was angry because (a) he was making too much haste and (b) she did not want to be hurried out, and in fact did not want to go at all. And as for why the secrecy he mandates, I have given my take on it above.

As for why Jalal forces Jodha to participate in the Meena Bazaar, it is, methinks, largely out of pique, and then partly because he does not want to lose face because of this non-compliant wife, and partly because he now wants to protect himself, in his interactions with Jodha, behind the barricade of the haughty, demanding Shahenshah. No more signs of weakness, as in his apology, or his Hum aapke liye ek khushkhabari laye hain ( I now wonder what that was, as it is now clear that it is not the Meena Bazaar).

What remained with me after the telecast was not the precap, with Jodha delivering her usual acerbic lecture to Jalal, both condescendingly and sarcastically, in her full blown Rajput culture mode. By now, I am beginning to find this smart-alecky stuff very tiresome.

It was rather the totally lost look on Jalal's face as Ruqaiya declares that there is no place in Agra for anyone who hates the Shahenshah.




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Shyamala and all others here,
I have not seen the promo so am not sure abt the concept layout...but am in agreement with many of us here abt the childish suicide attempt...

1.Bharmal might have sent letter with Reluctant nod to her decision (as really any parent can't just refuse like that given the situation they forced her to marry) but also 90% Gyan on How Jodha's return would lower their heads with shame after the magnanimity shown by Jalaal on his Pashchatyap and a request to re-consider it before coming back...
This would invariably drive Jo to Suicide thing as she in her present scattered -brain state cannot think of any other smarter choice!!πŸ˜•

2.Though I don't know in what circumstance they would come out of fort,but Ja after rescuing Jo would surely shout on her saying those lines shown in sbs...and she would invariably ask him why did he save her after all when she is so unwanted in his life etc etc...,just like an ungrateful child. Interesting part will be to see what our Ja answers to that πŸ˜‰.
( What if he says that "Jodha Begum, Humare sir pe waise hi aapne bohot saare pressure daal ke rakhha hai, uske upar hum aapke Khudkhushi ka Gunaah nahi le sakte...Agar Marne ka itna hi shaukh hai toh Amer Jaakar Mariye...Yaha mere paas rehte yeh nautanki nahi chalega....😑" ) 🀣 sbs pix me expression se toh aisa hi kuch bol raha hai lagta hai...πŸ˜†

3. And what a truth " Ehmak-e-Aazam" !!🀣Mere kal ke post mein maine bhi wahi bola tha...Galat subject pe Galat Logo se Galat Salaah lena bandh kijiye...Qubool karna hai toh apna Dil-e-khwaish qubool kijiye...aur dekhiye Amer-ki-Mirchi kaise palti khaati hai...πŸ˜‰ Us ladki ne kitne baar aapko hint diya, Kabhi Mitti ka lep de ke , Kabhi Rang ka Khema lagaake,Kabhi bewajay aapko dosh deke, Along with Gallons of tears...phir bhi pata nahi aapke Dimaag ki batti abhi tak gul kyun hain?? Usko Bhav dete ho toh galat cheezo pe...Bechari ko special attention chahiye aapse ...Apna Dimaag agar dusro ke vault mein rakhoge toh yehi hoga...πŸ˜•

4.I find it really hilarious the way MA keeps complaining abt Jodha and Jalaal scolds Jodha on that context...just like a schoolkid!!πŸ˜†

Regards,
Kamal



Originally posted by: sashashyam


What on earth is all this about?

Shyamala (Aunty)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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My dear,

I am delighted that you found this over long post useful. But truth to tell, I am beginning to tire of all these endless analyses and attempts at predictions when all we get on screen, as at the Meena Bazaar today, is an endless series of rude squabbles and acerbic exchanges (this time only from Jodha's side). I am not inclined to romanticise every one of these as a sign of hidden passion!

I am not going to post anything separate about today's episode, but I will post what could be called a contrary take on it tomorrow morning, below on this thread . See how much you disagree/agree with it.

If the CVs do not do something to improve their Jodha, I will soon be so out of sorts with her that I will probably stop writing. Let us see.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ashpat


Aunty,I was really happy you made this post because it showed yesterday's episode from different perspective and it was enlightening for me. Bolded parts are the my favourite parts from your post. See, this is why we all look forward to your posts because sometmes they are soothing and enlightening sometimes strengthening our opinions. Thank you so much for taking time and writing this post.

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Kamal, and all the others who might read this,

Your post below is delightful, Kamal, especially the lines you have written for Jalal.

It did me a lot of good after the irritation engendered by the Meena Bazaar scene, to which my reaction was as contrary as could be to the romantic oohing and aahing across the forum about the rang of (hidden) passion. I am not going to inflict a separate post on your folks about the latest episode,but I will summarise my gripes about it on this thread itself tomorrow.

I would be interested in seeing how many of you agree with me, and how many disagree.

Shyamala

Hi Shyamala and all others here,
I have not seen the promo so am not sure abt the concept layout...but am in agreement with many of us here abt the childish suicide attempt...

1.Bharmal might have sent letter with Reluctant nod to her decision (as really any parent can't just refuse like that given the situation they forced her to marry) but also 90% Gyan on How Jodha's return would lower their heads with shame after the magnanimity shown by Jalaal on his Pashchatyap and a request to re-consider it before coming back...
This would invariably drive Jo to Suicide thing as she in her present scattered -brain state cannot think of any other smarter choice!!πŸ˜•

2.Though I don't know in what circumstance they would come out of fort,but Ja after rescuing Jo would surely shout on her saying those lines shown in sbs...and she would invariably ask him why did he save her after all when she is so unwanted in his life etc etc...,just like an ungrateful child. Interesting part will be to see what our Ja answers to that πŸ˜‰.
( What if he says that "Jodha Begum, Humare sir pe waise hi aapne bohot saare pressure daal ke rakhha hai, uske upar hum aapke Khudkhushi ka Gunaah nahi le sakte...Agar Marne ka itna hi shaukh hai toh Amer Jaakar Mariye...Yaha mere paas rehte yeh nautanki nahi chalega....😑" ) 🀣 sbs pix me expression se toh aisa hi kuch bol raha hai lagta hai...πŸ˜†

3. And what a truth " Ehmak-e-Aazam" !!🀣Mere kal ke post mein maine bhi wahi bola tha...Galat subject pe Galat Logo se Galat Salaah lena bandh kijiye...Qubool karna hai toh apna Dil-e-khwaish qubool kijiye...aur dekhiye Amer-ki-Mirchi kaise palti khaati hai...πŸ˜‰ Us ladki ne kitne baar aapko hint diya, Kabhi Mitti ka lep de ke , Kabhi Rang ka Khema lagaake,Kabhi bewajay aapko dosh deke, Along with Gallons of tears...phir bhi pata nahi aapke Dimaag ki batti abhi tak gul kyun hain?? Usko Bhav dete ho toh galat cheezo pe...Bechari ko special attention chahiye aapse ...Apna Dimaag agar dusro ke vault mein rakhoge toh yehi hoga...πŸ˜•

4.I find it really hilarious the way MA keeps complaining abt Jodha and Jalaal scolds Jodha on that context...just like a schoolkid!!πŸ˜†

Regards,
Kamal


Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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