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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That is another myth, Ramayana never mentions Urmila sleeping for 14 years. Even Ramanand Sagar didn't show this

Don't know why they are keen in bringing so much of mythical folklore

It's in many of the books I mentioned above.....

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That is not distortion

Uttar Kand has been considered to be a part of Ramayan for over 1000 years (at the least), that vividly mentions Seeta Parityaga especially in her pregnancy without even informing her.

One might or might not accept Uttar Ramayana as original, but still one can't call those accepting it as wrong

I am not saying it is wrong...I am saying that the books I have mentioned above and many sources speak of it being an extrapolation.

So either those authors/researchers are wrong including if they have a PhD in the subject...or people overall need to read more.

Yes, there are people who refuse to believe it and the reasoning is that the Ram depicted in the original adi Parva seems to be very different from the Ram in Uttar Ramayan.

Ram Charit Manas itself doesn't mention Uttar Ramayan.

Other scholars also state that Bal Kaand was also an extrapolation and the original Ramayan starts with once upon a time there lived a King who had 4 sons.....

I have read extensively about Ramayan and Mahabharat.

Originally posted by: Chemcart_MJ

yes it does...i remember the scene in ramanand sagar vividly when lakshmana's expressions on the taste of the berries & his expressions too..lol

That Laxmanji was best and cutest with his expressions ..no one can beat him

Originally posted by: Tani91

it always bothers me too! That Ram is supposed to he a god and idk how god can do that to his own wife (and later kids) just due to some rando accusing her. The Agni pariskha she gave was sufficient to show her purity. And the fact that this one thing negates every other great thing he does. Remember seeing a lot of discussions during the Ram mandir event of how Ram is unworthy etc.

I haven’t read the actual Ramayan so I don’t know the details but this part always irked me of how a god (man) who respected Dharma and justice so much could do that. Was it some curse that he had? That he and Sita had to fulfill?

You know as childhood i had those memory of Ramanad Sagar

And until this Shrimad Ramayan, i was restricting myself from watching Ramayan because i thought Ramji abandoned Sitaji because some people questioned her purity. That was the reason i never liked Ramji

But watching this Shrimad Ramayan and the way they have shown Ramji with epitome of Karuna and respecting everyone, especially women...i am convinced now that he would never do that.

Then when they took vow during marriage made it very clear to me that they both will fulfll dharma first at any cost. So i am accepting that praja before they question Ramji, she made decision and left for van...

But I am still looking forward for useless praja for blaming her again when the kids are there

such praja donot deserve such Raja

Then with guts i started watching Siya ke Ram...I got so confused

Originally posted by: Tani91

it always bothers me too! That Ram is supposed to he a god and idk how god can do that to his own wife (and later kids) just due to some rando accusing her. The Agni pariskha she gave was sufficient to show her purity. And the fact that this one thing negates every other great thing he does. Remember seeing a lot of discussions during the Ram mandir event of how Ram is unworthy etc.

I haven’t read the actual Ramayan so I don’t know the details but this part always irked me of how a god (man) who respected Dharma and justice so much could do that. Was it some curse that he had? That he and Sita had to fulfill?

Bold- yup same thoughts i have. Any reasoning for the abandonment doesn't justify it and that too when he loved her so much. What was their unborn kids fault in it

Maybe there is more to it than we know or understand.

Originally posted by: DrModel

I am not saying it is wrong...I am saying that the books I have mentioned above and many sources speak of it being an extrapolation.

So either those authors/researchers are wrong including if they have a PhD in the subject...or people overall need to read more.

Yes, there are people who refuse to believe it and the reasoning is that the Ram depicted in the original adi Parva seems to be very different from the Ram in Uttar Ramayan.

Ram Charit Manas itself doesn't mention Uttar Ramayan.

Other scholars also state that Bal Kaand was also an extrapolation and the original Ramayan starts with once upon a time there lived a King who had 4 sons.....

I have read extensively about Ramayan and Mahabharat.

See I did not say you are wrong, I myself said that Bal Kand and Uttar Kand are later books. But that part is only for scholarly discussions. Religiously these books have always been a part of Sampoorna Ramayana

Gurukuls have always taught that book while teaching Ramayana. There are no religious source mentioning it as extrapolation but only academic ones

We are free to accept that Academic ones as authentic, but we can not discredit or all the ones who take religious portions accurate wrong.

Aside the behavior of Ram in Yudhh Kand wasn't too different either

Originally posted by: Tani91

it always bothers me too! That Ram is supposed to he a god and idk how god can do that to his own wife (and later kids) just due to some rando accusing her. The Agni pariskha she gave was sufficient to show her purity. And the fact that this one thing negates every other great thing he does. Remember seeing a lot of discussions during the Ram mandir event of how Ram is unworthy etc.

I haven’t read the actual Ramayan so I don’t know the details but this part always irked me of how a god (man) who respected Dharma and justice so much could do that. Was it some curse that he had? That he and Sita had to fulfill?

It wasn't some rando accusing her, meaning not one single person (Dhobi story is not there in Valmiki Ramayana), it was that he got an information that his citizens are dissatisfied. They think that their chief queen is an (for lack of better word) impure lady and hence it is not good for the state. This makes him take the decision of abandoning his pregnant wife(contrary to popular opinion, Ram ji very well knew that Seeta was pregnant when he decided to abandon her) He preferred his duty as a king over his duty as a husband. That is another sacrifice of his

But again this is all in Uttar Kand, which is most likely an extrapolation

One more thing, there is no Agni Pareeksha in Valmiki Ramayana, it is actually worse, post freeing Seeta, Ramji asks her to leave since he wasn't ready to accept a wife which was in custody of someone else and he was not ready to believe that Ravan could have controlled himself so long, he hence said that Seeta is free to go wherever she wants.

Seeta was devastated hearing this and said she would commit suicide, it was Agnidah and not Pareeksha. She wanted to die, but since she was pure, hence Agni appeared for her and testified stating he can't engulf someone as pure and pious as Seeta. Ram then happily accepted her

Originally posted by: Chinie

Bold- yup same thoughts i have. Any reasoning for the abandonment doesn't justify it and that too when he loved her so much. What was their unborn kids fault in it

Maybe there is more to it than we know or understand.

He had to keep his duties towards his family and as a king ahead of his duties as a father or husband

Yet despite abandoning her, he never gave her position to someone else. In strict political terms, he used her statue for Ashwamedha, giving a clear message that irrespective of her presence, she is the chief queen

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

It wasn't some rando accusing her, meaning not one single person (Dhobi story is not there in Valmiki Ramayana), it was that he got an information that his citizens are dissatisfied. They think that their chief queen is an (for lack of better word) impure lady and hence it is not good for the state. This makes him take the decision of abandoning his pregnant wife(contrary to popular opinion, Ram ji very well knew that Seeta was pregnant when he decided to abandon her) He preferred his duty as a king over his duty as a husband. That is another sacrifice of his

But again this is all in Uttar Kand, which is most likely an extrapolation

One more thing, there is no Agni Pareeksha in Valmiki Ramayana, it is actually worse, post freeing Seeta, Ramji asks her to leave since he wasn't ready to accept a wife which was in custody of someone else and he was not ready to believe that Ravan could have controlled himself so long, he hence said that Seeta is free to go wherever she wants.

Seeta was devastated hearing this and said she would commit suicide, it was Agnidah and not Pareeksha. She wanted to die, but since she was pure, hence Agni appeared for her and testified stating he can't engulf someone as pure and pious as Seeta. Ram then happily accepted her

All these things make him more human . It seems people made him divine because of his other qualities .

Also Ramanand Sagar has Maya Sita thing which is even more confusing.

Did Sita Ma forgive Ramji for the abandonment.? I can now understand how difficult it is to be a good king for people.

Originally posted by: Chinie

All these things make him more human . It seems people made him divine because of his other qualities .

Also Ramanand Sagar has Maya Sita thing which is even more confusing.

Did Sita Ma forgive Ramji for the abandonment.? I can now understand how difficult it is to be a good king for people.

He had taken the birth on this earth as a human. He had to behave as a human, he couldn't behave as divine (unlike Krishna he never did Leelas, but behaved as normal human)

That Maya Sita part is from Ram Charit Manas, but Valmiki Ramayana doesn't mention it at all. See think of one important factor, Tulsidas was during an era of invasions, a time when Dharma was being propagated wrongly by victors to show us bad, in such situation, the real people who understood Dharma, made it simpler for commoners like us. They had to give reasons for stuffs others would have otherwise mocked us.

Seeta ma was sad at abandonment but never angry. Her love was beyond that. At the end when Luv Kush and Seeta Ma met Ram and Valmiki ji told about the truth to Ram, she decided to do Bhumidehen and left the earth

Yes its not easy for being a king, a king as per our Dharma needs to keep people over themselves, forget Ramji, even someone as evil as Duryodhan when discussing the duties of a king, mentioned that even if you are having your meal, and have taken a morsel near your mouth when you get to know that your citizens need kings intervention, you must immediately leave the food and attend your citizens.

We can never understand Dharma