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Posted: 3 years ago
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Things here are the way they were a decade ago,all of us so eager to understand arnav and even anjali's emotions,all of us so uncaring of khushi,all of us so eager to justify arnav's actions.


If arnav manhandled khushi it was because she affected him so much,it is completely fine if he didn't think about how his abuse was affecting HER physically and mentally.


If khushi went to anjali's room when asked not to then it was entirely wrong of khushi to do so.She should have thought about anjali who had already went through so much unlike khushi whose life had been a bed of roses.



Anjali was entitled to all the safe space in the world.Arnav was entitled to leaving marks on khushi's arms coz his father cheated and his mom died and oh! also coz khushi affected him so much.

Khushi was not entitled to anything,except for being asr's punching bag and somebody to romance with as and when it suited him.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: blahhhh

Things here are the way they were a decade ago,all of us so eager to understand arnav and even anjali's emotions,all of us so uncaring of khushi,all of us so eager to justify arnav's actions.


If arnav manhandled khushi it was because she affected him so much,it is completely fine if he didn't think about how his abuse was affecting HER physically and mentally.


If khushi went to anjali's room when asked not to then it was entirely wrong of khushi to do so.She should have thought about anjali who had already went through so much unlike khushi whose life had been a bed of roses.



Anjali was entitled to all the safe space in the world.Arnav was entitled to leaving marks on khushi's arms coz his father cheated and his mom died and oh! also coz khushi affected him so much.

Khushi was not entitled to anything,except for being asr's punching bag and somebody to romance with as and when it suited him.



I love how you said its the same from a decade ago and like your IF status is of a newbie lmao but you are very much right about that we became callous when it comes to Khushi.


Lets think about the day of the elopement. Khushi woke up with the newfound sense and realization about love. She was excited about her chudiyan and then she was sad about her sister leaving but she was also happy for her sister to find a nice guy who loves her. She gets ready in a dress to match her chudiyan and she busies herself in prepping for the big day with guests and such. She gets a surprise visit by her unexpected suitor and she's constantly shocked at him being nice and kind to her. She is tired from a days work of taking care of guests and weared down by her sister leaving and then excited about this new Arnav ji.


The day pans mostly well until she thinks that in string of weird things Arnav ji has been doing, he'll leave a message for her on the mirror. This girl goes up unexpectedly and then she gets molested by someone whose deceived her whole family. She hasn't revealed the truth when she had the chance previously and now she's scared of this man. She thinks about telling Arnav about it but then this man loves his sister more than anything and he's always looked for excuses to discredit her. She is worried. She finds out that the pervert has impregnanted Anjali. Now she's more nervous about her decision. She looks at Arnav and Anjali and their happiness bubble without knowing that her lover has decided she's betrayed him without once questioning her. Last time she tried to take things in her hand on the day of the wedding, the wedding was called off. Her being quiet seems like a better option in contrast to her speaking up as she did last time.


ANd then in middle of it all, she's forcefully made to elope. By the end of the day, every single person she likes and loves wouldn't speak to her. The girl who lives for others is left alone, quite literally.


And there are no apologies. No one apologizes to Khushi. Arnav apologizes to her when their second marriage rituals are about to begin. Not when she wanted an apology on her birthday or the days when she told him she doesn't see him as her husband. Khushi gets nothing. She gets the sour end of the deal and she forgoes it all because her love for the same man who made her lonely with one action makes it impossible for her to live without him.


Khushi definitely makes mistakes. She isn't perfect. But I think you're very much right about how we have all made more excuses for others then we have for Khushi!


I would also stay in tune with what I said in my response on page 1. The context of a lot of actions changes the reactions of the characters ultimately. The best thing about this show is that there are no perfect characters. There is no perfect angel that can't do wrong, and isn't that what makes us all keep coming back to discussions like these? To explore these characters more. The understand their motivations. TO fill in the blanks left for the viewers?

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: blahhhh

Things here are the way they were a decade ago,all of us so eager to understand arnav and even anjali's emotions,all of us so uncaring of khushi,all of us so eager to justify arnav's actions.


If arnav manhandled khushi it was because she affected him so much,it is completely fine if he didn't think about how his abuse was affecting HER physically and mentally.


If khushi went to anjali's room when asked not to then it was entirely wrong of khushi to do so.She should have thought about anjali who had already went through so much unlike khushi whose life had been a bed of roses.



Anjali was entitled to all the safe space in the world.Arnav was entitled to leaving marks on khushi's arms coz his father cheated and his mom died and oh! also coz khushi affected him so much.

Khushi was not entitled to anything,except for being asr's punching bag and somebody to romance with as and when it suited him.


I think A did a wonderful job explaining Khushi's pain and tragedy but there's something here that I want to address in your answer.


Since we were discussing soulmates that's why I think over here we were glossing over what Arnav did because they're a fictional couple and we want to see their happily ever after - which, in my opinion, isn't possible without therapy.


I absolutely agree how the show completely mishandles the abuse going on.


I'll only pick a bone here because you said all of us, and lol that counts me in as well and I strongly disagree that it is fine if Arnav manhandles Khushi or Anjali is entitled to her safe space.


Because Anjali is. She has been in an emotionally manipulative marriage and deserves to be out of it. And I think we're making the mistake that being compassionate to Anjali comes with a cost of being careless to Khushi. That was also the show's mistake.


I believe Anjali needed a safe space, and Khushi needed it AS WELL.


We can definitely have a conversation over Arnav's abusive behavior but I see little room for discourse and more of declarations going on here. I absolutely agree that they romanticized his abuse post elopement and it is one of my biggest gripes with the show. They do not deal with Khushi's trauma with even a pinch of seriousness.


Khushi advised against going to the room is not to say Khushi had a better life, it's because Anjali is literally going through trauma and she was on the verge of self harm and probably suicide. But for Khushi intentions matter more than consequences. So she hopes her intention of comforting Anjali matters more than the fact that Anjali will be further traumatized seeing her. (Anjali has been actively avoiding Khushi).


I think they got Anjali's trauma right and this whole sequence of events right.


They went wrong with showing that it was ok for Arnav to bring up Khushi's most traumatizing day - her forced wedding - and coerce her into staying with him after he has hurt her feelings every way possible. It was even more terrible to bring up two comedy tracks right after it and not even dedicate a single episode for how broken Khushi is.


They went wrong in showing that it's easier for Arnav to blackmail Khushi than to make actual amends when we've seen how he tortured he was that he was unable to apologize to Khushi when he learned she was an orphan as well (it wasn't right to speak to her in that manner regardless).


The one time they wrote Khushi and her sadness well was when Arnav burst at her during the cocktail and party and tries to apologize by saying "Perhaps I spoke to harshly" to which she snapped "Perhaps?" and walks off.


Khushi was well written pre wedding because she was still treated as the protagonist. But there was shift of writers and plot progression I believe that led to them writing the show with only Arnav as the main protagonist and the others as side characters.


Hence we only see the part of Khushi that's affecting Arnav, we do not see her internal battles and monologues. Likewise, we only see enough of Anjali that can affect Arnav and his marriage (which is her continued belief on Shyam) and we do not see her individually traumatized.


The writers needed Anjali to play a villain so Shyam could stick around the house. And I have no idea why they stopped writing Khushi as a lead.


This was the same show where Khushi slammed her resignation papers, yelled at Arnav for being selfish, called out his inability to apologize and his inability to empathize with people when necessary. And also showed her falling in love.


Also the show fails Arnav at some point. He's a brilliantly written character who's never quite perfect and it was disappointing that they changed his flaws to his characteristics. Arnav unable to apologize - a flaw that we see him try to overcome. Arnav using blackmail to avoid an honest apology - a characteristic that shouldn't have been there.


Still, I've yet to honestly see a character written as brilliantly to the T like Arnav Singh Raizada.


But because it's fiction, as fans we can discuss about how the show could've done better while incorporating multiple factors that affect the show. That way we can engage in critical discussion :) Also a good few people pointed out that literally the one thing the show could've done better is remove the manhandling. So people have changed over years :)

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: dramebaaz.af



I love how you said its the same from a decade ago and like your IF status is of a newbie lmao but you are very much right about that we became callous when it comes to Khushi.


Lets think about the day of the elopement. Khushi woke up with the newfound sense and realization about love. She was excited about her chudiyan and then she was sad about her sister leaving but she was also happy for her sister to find a nice guy who loves her. She gets ready in a dress to match her chudiyan and she busies herself in prepping for the big day with guests and such. She gets a surprise visit by her unexpected suitor and she's constantly shocked at him being nice and kind to her. She is tired from a days work of taking care of guests and weared down by her sister leaving and then excited about this new Arnav ji.


The day pans mostly well until she thinks that in string of weird things Arnav ji has been doing, he'll leave a message for her on the mirror. This girl goes up unexpectedly and then she gets molested by someone whose deceived her whole family. She hasn't revealed the truth when she had the chance previously and now she's scared of this man. She thinks about telling Arnav about it but then this man loves his sister more than anything and he's always looked for excuses to discredit her. She is worried. She finds out that the pervert has impregnanted Anjali. Now she's more nervous about her decision. She looks at Arnav and Anjali and their happiness bubble without knowing that her lover has decided she's betrayed him without once questioning her. Last time she tried to take things in her hand on the day of the wedding, the wedding was called off. Her being quiet seems like a better option in contrast to her speaking up as she did last time.


ANd then in middle of it all, she's forcefully made to elope. By the end of the day, every single person she likes and loves wouldn't speak to her. The girl who lives for others is left alone, quite literally.


And there are no apologies. No one apologizes to Khushi. Arnav apologizes to her when their second marriage rituals are about to begin. Not when she wanted an apology on her birthday or the days when she told him she doesn't see him as her husband. Khushi gets nothing. She gets the sour end of the deal and she forgoes it all because her love for the same man who made her lonely with one action makes it impossible for her to live without him.


Khushi definitely makes mistakes. She isn't perfect. But I think you're very much right about how we have all made more excuses for others then we have for Khushi!


I would also stay in tune with what I said in my response on page 1. The context of a lot of actions changes the reactions of the characters ultimately. The best thing about this show is that there are no perfect characters. There is no perfect angel that can't do wrong, and isn't that what makes us all keep coming back to discussions like these? To explore these characters more. The understand their motivations. TO fill in the blanks left for the viewers?

I so so so so agree to this.

And will come back to this with a clearer head. The idea that people haven't changed their views on the show in a decade is ridiculous to someone like me who properly started engaging with ITV during the pandemic precisely because it's mindless and bad.

Whether Arnav is justifiable or not is besides the point that Arnav was a much better written character than anyone else on the show including Khushi. Only Shyam was as well etched as Arnav. It was always intriguing to watch how Arnav would react to a given situation whereas Khushi somewhere down the line became a perfect compliment to Arnav's character purely in terms of writing. Khushi had many traits of the manic pixie dream girl while, thankfully, not being one.

I also don't understand this Anjali v/s Khushi narrative either on the show or the fandom.

Anjali was one of the few disabled characters I have ever seen in Indian cinematic tradition. And at that, she wasn't completely sterotyped into being hero's dukhiyari spinster sister. She had a personality, real flaws, real insecurities that stemmed from her disability. And was shown to be moving on from an abusive relationship herself. So, um, real people are not infallible.

Editing to add: That Khushi was castigated for entering the room of a suicidal person and triggering her is not wrong. Yeah, Arnav and Manorama are entirely wrong in terms of how they lash out at Khushi. But, pray, if we treat Anjali as a real person and not a disabled sterotype, then we have to acknowledge that her mental health was more important at that moment than Khushi's need to assuage her own guilt.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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thank you everyone for your replies.

I was an active member of this forum when show aired but forgot the password to my old ID some 4 years back.I visit the forum once every 3-4 months and made a new ID to reply to this thread.Thus,my knowledge of the prevailing attitudes here despite my 'newbie' status lol


I don't like this allegation levelled against me of making it about anjali vs khushi,the show n its brilliantly written central character treated kkg callously while treating his sister the way he did;on the first page someone said asr manhandled her coz she affected him while others made sure to point out every mistake kkg committed(it's like "arnav had reasons and we understand,kkg should have done the absolutely right thing overcoming her reasons;we welcome flawed characters but some flaws are more appealing than others")

I want justice for her,that is all.Had anjali been treated callously I would have spoken up for her too.


As somebody who was attached to arshi,arnav's "you are the biggest mistake of my life" absolutely did it for me;if I feel like watching their scenes I have to compartmentalise or forget a lot of things that arnav said and did and also what he didn't say or do.Sometimes I am not even successful with this compartmentalising and am unable to watch them together.Arnav's love was really lacking and I really can't help but ship khushi with better men who could value her for the brave,selfless woman she was who attempted to save his life while his 'mother like' sister could only cry on the bed like the attention seeking princess she was


I understand arnav was affected by anjali's state but after lashing out he didn't apologise and when he did it was too little I think.



It is not khushi's fault that arnav's parents died and he became the kind of person who would rather abuse other people than deal with his demons.She did not deserve the physical,emotional abuse post diwali just coz he started feeling for her and couldn't deal with it.

"He manhandled coz she affected him" is the worst kind of abuse apology

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Posted: 3 years ago
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If anyone is aware of the show Imlie by 4 lions and follows it coz of the new couple then they would know that the ML asked the FL to not leave his house at night when they had a huge misunderstanding,this reminded me of arnav who used to ask khushi to get out of his car if she hurt his ego or made him angry.


Khushi's actions are scrutinised even when her intentions are good,arnav is forgiven when neither his actions nor intentions were good.


It is also noteworthy that anjali never behaved self destructively after meeting with shyam,that kind of trauma was reserved only after seeing khushi in her room.It is like how arnav said and also seemed to believe on some level that had it not been for khushi then shyam wouldn't have been the scum that he was.Raizada siblings for all their position,money,english speaking skills were pretty sexist;but what else could be expected from children of the mother who asked her future DIL to ignore arnav's anger and return the love with interest?

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bhavisweet03

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ArShi will always remain close to our heart.❤️


1. With that I agree Khushi becomes permanent tattoo in his mind. If he wants to remove it he can't. Actually things are not in his hands at all.


2. Though destiny always finds its way but then also they both are not comfortable with the thought which make them separate.


3. Definitely it's emotional cheating with Lavs but what to do things are not always in our hands. Arnav couldn't resist himself to fall in love with her.


4. That part was so horrible when he forcefully marries to her. I mean the pain in Khushi's eyes it's too deep I felt so sorry for her. But I can't deny Arnav's feeling also. I mean his anger is valid at some point.


5. Woaahh that face of Arnav I never forget when khushi used to ask so many stupid questions😆 I love when he says 'what the '😉


6. Definitely a person changes when someone enters in his/her life. And that's so positive change in ArShi's life. 😳



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