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Posted: 6 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: TheBoss


So going by this logic we should believe everything Kangana Ranaut has said? Like I said I have sympathies for everyone who go through this, and they should not ever have to suffer this, but irrespective of my feelings or emotions the burden of proof is still important. If I post here that AllThatCritique has borrowed 50k rupees from me, and have sent me sexually suggestive messages, and threaten to kill me with a shot gun then I better have something to back it up.


Read what I wrote again. Chronic sexual harassment got to have proof because it isn't just momentary. Years of abuse will have proof but then there are child abuses cases where noone notices at all. Kangana's case had ample proof that she was lying. She wouldn't even give up the evidence herself. You can't equate that with this. And surely if I sent you sexually suggestive messages and threatened to kill you and borrowed money from you,thats a ton of evidence. But if I did grope you for a second without consent,thats gonna be traumatic for you but what evidence would you have against me.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique


Read what I wrote again. Chronic sexual harassment got to have proof because it isn't just momentary. Years of abuse will have proof but then there are child abuses cases where noone notices at all. Kangana's case had ample proof that she was lying. She wouldn't even give up the evidence herself. You can't equate that with this. And surely if I sent you sexually suggestive messages and threatened to kill you and borrowed money from you,thats a ton of evidence. But if I did grope you for a second without consent,thats gonna be traumatic for you but what evidence would you have against me.


None. Hence the benefit of doubt should go on you and be innocent unless proven guilty.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: anonymous39

South Asia is a different place compared to the West. The average public never believes the woman in things like rape and sexual harassment especially without solid evidence.


I don't even know what solution there is. Let's say a woman claims she was fondled by in a man in an area no cameras, who do you believe? It's just her word against his. It's not fair to automatically blame the man either but it takes a lot for a woman to make this accusation usually. What solution can there be in situations where there is no proof?


U are wrong. The general mentality in South Asia is "Why wud a woman lie". A woman's words (however bizzare) are supported over proofs of a man.

Also, 99% mentality of people disbelieve if the Gender is reversed n a man complains of unwanted attention/advances. As many feel that a Man is supposed to "enjoy" the attention by a woman. Infact, some even question the "manhood" of those who resist the advances of women.




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Posted: 6 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique


Read what I wrote again. Chronic sexual harassment got to have proof because it isn't just momentary. Years of abuse will have proof but then there are child abuses cases where noone notices at all. Kangana's case had ample proof that she was lying. She wouldn't even give up the evidence herself. You can't equate that with this. And surely if I sent you sexually suggestive messages and threatened to kill you and borrowed money from you,thats a ton of evidence. But if I did grope you for a second without consent,thats gonna be traumatic for you but what evidence would you have against me.


Kangana case is of Alleged Affair. NOT Harassment. The complaint of Stalking and Harassment was filed by Hrithik. Not her. So, let us not mix up the two. It is very different from Ali Zafar case.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheBoss


None. Hence the benefit of doubt should go on you and be innocent unless proven guilty.

A loud NOPE again. The benefit of the doubt should lie with the one who had the courage to come out and say, 'yes, I have been assaulted' because that's 1000x harder than just keeping quiet. And idk how some people here are saying gender doesn't matter when your gender identity literally decides so much for you and how you are perceived in society. Its hard to come out and talk about abuse in a patriarchal society when your life is so much easier if you just keep your mouth shut.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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A couple of my friends who have met Ali backstage described him as very flirtatious towards them. So I dunno. I feel more inclined to believer Meesha.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

A loud NOPE again. The benefit of the doubt should lie with the one who had the courage to come out and say, 'yes, I have been assaulted' because that's 1000x harder than just keeping quiet. And idk how some people here are saying gender doesn't matter when your gender identity literally decides so much for you and how you are perceived in society. Its hard to come out and talk about abuse in a patriarchal society when your life is so much easier if you just keep your mouth shut.


Lets agree to disagree then. You believe in guilty unless proven innocent and I believe in innocent until proven guilty over random accusations.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigal90

A couple of my friends who have met Ali backstage described him as very flirtatious towards them. So I dunno. I feel more inclined to believer Meesha.


There are other women on twitter saying he touched them inappropriately too. Also that his behavior is known in the Pakistani industry. 🤢
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Posted: 6 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: anonymous39


There are other women on twitter saying he touched them inappropriately too. Also that his behavior is known in the Pakistani industry. 🤢


Good, only if few more credible sources report the same thing, he can be charged. But Desi men are never going to admit their fault and will get past the legal system anyways.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Meesha Shafi is no meek vulnerable bechaari. She is an educated and independent woman. Her mother has been an actress for the last 30 years and has massive clout in the industry. Her husband is a very rich man and also a part of the industry and her mother-in-law, also a very wealthy woman has produced a number of movies.

So with all this standing in the society and the industry i don't understand how she allowed herself to get repeatedly harassed by AZ?

Ali Zafar on the other hand is famous for swinging the other way and his marriage is apparently one of those convenience marriages and his wife is from a filthy rich family.

So i dunno...it doesn't add up.
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