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Originally posted by: ViccoTurmeric

WHAT?

Are you sure you wrote the right thing? Film had some fine songs like Zindagi Kuch Toh Bata and Tu Chahiye

Though its your personal opinion but kinda seems as if you watched the movie with perspective of a 21st century person rather than being 17th century Maratha. Time was different, Relationships were treated differently... Polygamy was a common practice and wife of warriors were used to his man's extra martial affair or say him being married more than once. Kashibai accepting the 'lovestory' was a practical thing, infact SLB toned down the 'doormat' nature of Kashi and made her a dignified character in the end.

Nothing 'KEKTA' in nature of both Radha Bai and Kashi Bai's character considering time period they belonged to

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Bombay Velvet:

Definitely not the disaster that it was touted to be. It started off well enough. Here I must pause and say that Raveena Tandon is the single most magnificent thing in the movie, along with the music (woefully underused). So I found it to be quite an engaging beginning, lots of atmosphere in the film that was intriguing to me to watch but yes, it ended up sprawling out of scope further down the line in trying to do too much in the time it had.

This was yet another film this year where the love story was not well fleshed out. And Rosie could have been made a more intriguing character...the moment she promptly falls in love with Johnny, she becomes a simpering shell of a woman in many ways. Also felt like the script couldn't make up it's mind about what they wanted to show Rosie as...the ambitious girl who fought against her circumstances to rise to fame or a fragile, needy thing.

Johnny was better fleshed out than Rosie in his street smart yet naive thug ways and Ranbir did a good job but again, overall the love story didn't have that much of a deep connect.


KJo was weak in the role of Khambaata...it became almost weirdly Pettigrew-like to watch him...lol...by the end I was left underwhelmed.

I can still admire the ambition of the script...I learned so much about the history of Bombay that I had no idea about otherwise...but somewhere the history lesson didn't fully add up to a fully compelling story and it dwindled into some predictable drag by the end.


Still, it was an intriguing watch...I wasn't exactly bored so worth the while.


2.75/5

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Bombay Velvet:

Definitely not the disaster that it was touted to be. It started off well enough. Here I must pause and say that Raveena Tandon is the single most magnificent thing in the movie, along with the music (woefully underused). So I found it to be quite an engaging beginning, lots of atmosphere in the film that was intriguing to me to watch but yes, it ended up sprawling out of scope further down the line in trying to do too much in the time it had.

This was yet another film this year where the love story was not well fleshed out. And Rosie could have been made a more intriguing character...the moment she promptly falls in love with Johnny, she becomes a simpering shell of a woman in many ways. Also felt like the script couldn't make up it's mind about what they wanted to show Rosie as...the ambitious girl who fought against her circumstances to rise to fame or a fragile, needy thing.

Johnny was better fleshed out than Rosie in his street smart yet naive thug ways and Ranbir did a good job but again, overall the love story didn't have that much of a deep connect.


KJo was weak in the role of Khambaata...it became almost weirdly Pettigrew-like to watch him...lol...by the end I was left underwhelmed.

I can still admire the ambition of the script...I learned so much about the history of Bombay that I had no idea about otherwise...but somewhere the history lesson didn't fully add up to a fully compelling story and it dwindled into some predictable drag by the end.


Still, it was an intriguing watch...I wasn't exactly bored so worth the while.


2.75/5

Originally posted by: kabeeraspeaking

Really agree about KJo, he really was the weakest actor in the movie...very miscast, especially compared to some of the other supporting acts. He has this flimsy, silly demeanour about himself that makes it hard to take him seriously as a villain...even one that's supposed to be kind of...flimsy. Someone else could have brought the much required presence/menace to the role that really would've raised the stakes of the dynamics between the characters. I was surprised that most reviewers were okay with him and some even called him the best thing in the movie, lol.

@bold: I thought the script was too ambitious and that's why the movie falters 😒 Anurag took on too much by attempting to intertwine the politics, business, romance and friendship plot lines...especially considering how detail heavy the politics/business content alone was. The twists/turns in the romance eventually just ended up being legit, massive, and age old recycled tropes...😆 He definitely forced this (building/shoddily justifying a love story on the mounted canvas) and didn't keep it organic to what he essentially wanted to show, the story of the city.

"Sprawing out of scope" is the perfect description. Agree with the rating too 👍🏼

See I finally managed to watch BV...hopefully NH10 soon too...I'm getting there...checking off the movies on my to watch list since ages😆

Re: KJo...lol actually when the trailer came out, I thought he'd do good...I liked him in the trailers...cuz it just teased his character and I thought the full version would have impact...alas it went the other way...movie mein he just felt limp as a character...end tak toh joke hi ban gaya😆...KJo was doing a bunch of these put on mannerisms that undercut the character...the menace didn't really come through.


LOL arey I do agree that the over-ambition made the movie suffer in the end but I still felt like admiring the ambition...the way this movie had been burnt to the ground, I expected a totally soul-less product...but that was not BV's flaw...it sprawled a bit out of control but not horrendously so...when you can still see what the intent behind something was, that is some win atleast as opposed to ppl not being even remotely clued in to the story.


The love story as well as Rosie's character could have used more organic fleshing out...it's like she was simply plopped as a singer in front of us and then her song performances were used as props throughout the movie...they didn't really flow that well with the narrative although I'm guessing that was the intent in the way they were used...and I still maintain that Anushka's lipsync was weak in the role of a club singer...especially when I see Raveena doing the act so fabulously in the 2 glimpses she has in the movie. Like when she was introduced, there was this intrigue to Rosie...how she escaped, how those experiences shaped her...but that never really gets properly referenced...cuz yes, the story was never about that...it was a jumble of politics and power plays...but if the love story and Rosie-Johnny's yearning for an epic love story had been given a better basis, might have made it all more compelling...cuz as it stands, I didn't dislike their characters but I was sort of watching it apathetically...they don't incite emotional investment...which is needed for any good story.


I'm not sure love stories are Kashyap's forte anyways😆...he shouldn't have made it the central core/focus...should've made it a side plot of some sort...cuz it ended up dragging the movie down.


Oh and forgot to mention that Ranbir did better than I'd thought he did...honestly the trailers of this movie were quite underwhelming when I first watched them...the actual movie felt a lot better than the trailers to me.

^^ I feel the love story was secondary in kashyap's initial vision of the movie. I m not sure when things changed. I feel due to the huge budget they developed cold feet. I remember reading an article where vikas bahl who was one of the producers say he pressured anurag against making the film and character too dark so as to make it more commercially appealing. I think as this was first film on such a huge budget and scale for phantom they were unsure.. Anurag should have stuck to his conviction and make the movie as he originally intended.

Originally posted by: kabeeraspeaking

Yes! Darker, less filmy and more true to the basic premise of the city and kid who wanted to be someone.

I liked the interactions between Johnny & Chiman too...that was definitely one of the things in the movie which humanized Johnny's character a lot. The scene where Johnny says Chiman will be sitting in the backseat of the car, or later Chiman telling him that he doesn't see himself sitting the backseat...or even the scene where Johnny goes to Chiman's house & meets his wife after his death...really nicely done.

Agree with both of you on this point...the twin angle was random and didn't really go anywhere in the movie...but by then the movie had anyways descended into a ton of cliches vis a vis the love story.

Agree BIG time that the movie being darker in tones would have been better...Rosie dying would deffo have been a better way to go...I was truly disappointed when I saw the twin angle pop up...if they had killed her off, atleast that could have built up/amplified the emotional payoff...but no, they just went the random Romeo-Juliet way for the ending.


I could see the INTENT from AK to make a very noir kind of film...all the nods to classics and all that...but he did lose the plot in the overall ambition of things.


I really liked the beginning...that entire opening sequence with Raveena's song with the backdrop of a country trying to find it's feet, the cries of the common man...very nicely done...stuff like that makes the movie worth the while to me.


Movie kinda lost steam before the interval only...cuz of the whole Rosie-Mistry angle getting so watered down...that is my other major crib with the movie...why was Rosie so watered down...they could have shown her as a stronger, maybe more grey character...would have made this more fun...but all she did was go around pleading to ppl😕


Music was fantastic...it's like the jazz BREATHES in the movie...feels like a living being...the music and Bombay itself...probably the two strongest characters in the movie.

Originally posted by: minu_8

^^ I feel the love story was secondary in kashyap's initial vision of the movie. I m not sure when things changed. I feel due to the huge budget they developed cold feet. I remember reading an article where vikas bahl who was one of the producers say he pressured anurag against making the film and character too dark so as to make it more commercially appealing. I think as this was first film on such a huge budget and scale for phantom they were unsure.. Anurag should have stuck to his conviction and make the movie as he originally intended.

I don't think the love story was thrown in cuz of the budget...if that was the case, there would be some kind of sweeping romantic ballads and song picturizations on them to justify the budget/investment...but the songs were all used as Rosie's performances and narrative devices...the love story was probably always there but yeah maybe the first draft had a darker version...would have fit in more with Anurag's strengths...but he himself sounded like a giddy teenager in the interviews...I feel this is a clear case of director losing his vision getting carried away in his creativity and wanting to fulfill all his cinematic ambitions in one go.

Still, the movie never deserved to be blasted the way it did...it was not a terrible film...it has a lot of interesting atmosphere...will probably be considered a cult classic 20 years later.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

See I finally managed to watch BV...hopefully NH10 soon too...I'm getting there...checking off the movies on my to watch list since ages😆

Re: KJo...lol actually when the trailer came out, I thought he'd do good...I liked him in the trailers...cuz it just teased his character and I thought the full version would have impact...alas it went the other way...movie mein he just felt limp as a character...end tak toh joke hi ban gaya😆...KJo was doing a bunch of these put on mannerisms that undercut the character...the menace didn't really come through.


LOL arey I do agree that the over-ambition made the movie suffer in the end but I still felt like admiring the ambition...the way this movie had been burnt to the ground, I expected a totally soul-less product...but that was not BV's flaw...it sprawled a bit out of control but not horrendously so...when you can still see what the intent behind something was, that is some win atleast as opposed to ppl not being even remotely clued in to the story.


The love story as well as Rosie's character could have used more organic fleshing out...it's like she was simply plopped as a singer in front of us and then her song performances were used as props throughout the movie...they didn't really flow that well with the narrative although I'm guessing that was the intent in the way they were used...and I still maintain that Anushka's lipsync was weak in the role of a club singer...especially when I see Raveena doing the act so fabulously in the 2 glimpses she has in the movie. Like when she was introduced, there was this intrigue to Rosie...how she escaped, how those experiences shaped her...but that never really gets properly referenced...cuz yes, the story was never about that...it was a jumble of politics and power plays...but if the love story and Rosie-Johnny's yearning for an epic love story had been given a better basis, might have made it all more compelling...cuz as it stands, I didn't dislike their characters but I was sort of watching it apathetically...they don't incite emotional investment...which is needed for any good story.


I'm not sure love stories are Kashyap's forte anyways😆...he shouldn't have made it the central core/focus...should've made it a side plot of some sort...cuz it ended up dragging the movie down.


Oh and forgot to mention that Ranbir did better than I'd thought he did...honestly the trailers of this movie were quite underwhelming when I first watched them...the actual movie felt a lot better than the trailers to me.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I could see the INTENT from AK to make a very noir kind of film...all the nods to classics and all that...but he did lose the plot in the overall ambition of things.


I really liked the beginning...that entire opening sequence with Raveena's song with the backdrop of a country trying to find it's feet, the cries of the common man...very nicely done...stuff like that makes the movie worth the while to me.

Music was fantastic...it's like the jazz BREATHES in the movie...feels like a living being...the music and Bombay itself...probably the two strongest characters in the movie.

So agree with this. And that is what makes the disappointment so deep. There are flashes of brilliance. the movie could have been so much more..
Technically its perfect.. the recreation of bombay is pitch perfect.. i find it beautiful to look at.. he had a stellar cast who could do anything he wanted... yet its so so sad that anurag despite being a director who could have TOTALLY pulled it off somewhere faltered.. i m more disappointed at the lost potential even though i never agreed with the way the film was panned.

Still, the movie never deserved to be blasted the way it did...it was not a terrible film...it has a lot of interesting atmosphere...will probably be considered a cult classic 20 years later.

Definitely. The film didnt deserve the extreme reaction. yeah.. even i think few years down the line it will be viewed more kindly.

Originally posted by: minu_8

I felt the twins angle spoiled the movie and made it very filmy.

If the film were darker with ranbir and other characters sketched slightly darker and post dhafaam dhadaam Rosie really getting killed would have been much better. Johnny being made the scaoegoat by khambatta and the mayor etc.. Him trying to escape but eventually getting killed..

I still like the movie particularly first half. Post dhafaam dhafaam is where the film became weak for me. Climax at the Bombay velvet club was disappointing though the chase before Johnny comes to the club at the end was well shot. Music is outstanding.

I also liked the dynamic between johnyy and chiman.. Both actors' and characters'

+1
i liked the build up they did to Johny's story in the first half but what followed especially after Rosie's "death" was really dull and dissapointing. Given his filmography Anurag should've done a much better job.

Originally posted by: Rhino2close2car

I saw the Big Short . Brilliant film . Ryan Gosling is love . Also Finn Witrock was good . A 9/10

I wanna watch it soon. Christian Bale ❤️