Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai 03rd Oct 2024 Written Update and EDT - Page 14

Originally posted by: ItvDrama

It is interesting how 2 people who went through so much to break free of the deal marriage are once again stuck in a conditional marriage, where their happiness is entirely dependent on family’s approval.

Armaan - contrary to the popular belief that he is a weak and emotionally vulnerable character, I believe he is one of the strong and stubborn characters in the show. He is a replica of his grandmother to a certain extent when it comes to that. Just like KP, when he sets his mind on something he gets it, but he also makes sure he has exhausted all the normal avenues before he resorts to ultimatum. When he broke marriage with Ruhi, he knew very well the family wasn’t going to accept Abhira, despite that he declared he was going to bring Abhira back in his life. When he decided to leave the house, he knew other than KP the rest of the family would be heartbroken, yet he still decided to leave. When he convinced Abhira to marry after infertility track, he knew there was no way he could convince Vidya or KP, so he took the decision to get married with or without their permission. It was never about his ability to make strong decisions or go against his family, his biggest flaw is his belief and expectation that people would and should accept his decisions without any rebellion even after they have clearly expressed their opinion.

It would be so easy for him to pacify Vidya right now. What caused Vidya’s reaction now, it’s not anger or ego, it’s the sense of betrayal by her son. Even when KP has always reiterated Rohit is the heir to the house, it was only her relationship that tied Armaan to this family. She was the one who always tried to convinced Abhira to keep Armaan tied to this family. She supported him to the point that she didn’t hesitate to betray her presumed-dead son’s memories by getting his wife married to Armaan. Even when she repeatedly claims she can’t be a grandmother, it’s indirectly Armaan’s wish for a child. When people feel betrayed they go into revenge mode, which is exactly what Vidya is currently doing. Reasons why Armaan is and never will be angry with her. He knows exactly how he can convince Vidya, all he has to do is accept that she is right, his decision to marry Abhira is wrong, that’s all he needs to do to get her forgiveness. Armaan wouldn’t do that because he knows what will happen next, he will lose Abhira forever, either by Abhira leaving him by herself or Vidya will do the honors. Armaan is okay with dealing with all the pain Vidya is serving him, yet in his own stubborn way is waiting for Vidya to accept his marriage with Abhira rather than give into her demands.

Abhira - I honestly don’t believe she is trying to compensate for Vidya’s place in Armaan’s life. She has tried to talk to Armaan, has tried to both emotionally and physically connect with him, all of which has earned her no results. She is trying to connect to him with the only relationship he understands now, Vidya. Other than the initial days of the marriage, I don’t believe she directly tried to engage with Vidya to pacify her. All of her efforts have been for Armaan to connect with her. Honestly at this stage I feel she is scared. She is scared to accept that her marriage is hanging by a thread, with a nonexistent husband metaphorically. She is scared her fears that Armaan might eventually regret his decision is coming true. She is scared if she too gives up on their marriage, there’s no going back and their marriage could be truly over. The first time she accepted this marriage, it was her individual decision. The second and third time, including the infertility track, she convinced herself to give this relationship another chance against her best judgement. She knows in her heart all her chances are exhausted. There’s only thing that can break her free of this pain, Armaan, either when he decides to finally come back to their marriage or finally free her from this marriage.

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Originally posted by: ItvDrama

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Armaan - contrary to the popular belief that he is a weak and emotionally vulnerable character, I believe he is one of the strong and stubborn characters in the show.

Armaan is rarely stubborn and fights back for himself, but whenever he does, he ends up succeeding.

He is a replica of his grandmother to a certain extent when it comes to that. Just like KP, when he sets his mind on something he gets it, but he also makes sure he has exhausted all the normal avenues before he resorts to ultimatum When he broke marriage with Ruhi, he knew very well the family wasn’t going to accept Abhira, despite that he declared he was going to bring Abhira back in his life. When he decided to leave the house, he knew other than KP the rest of the family would be heartbroken, yet he still decided to leave. When he convinced Abhira to marry after infertility track, he knew there was no way he could convince Vidya or KP, so he took the decision to get married with or without their permission. It was never about his ability to make strong decisions or go against his family, his biggest flaw is his belief and expectation that people would and should accept his decisions without any rebellion even after they have clearly expressed their opinion.

@bold completely agree.

It would be so easy for him to pacify Vidya right now. What caused Vidya’s reaction now, it’s not anger or ego, it’s the sense of betrayal by her son. Even when KP has always reiterated Rohit is the heir to the house, it was only her relationship that tied Armaan to this family. She was the one who always tried to convinced Abhira to keep Armaan tied to this family.

@bold Agreed Vidya is feeling betrayed that's why she is in revenge mode.

@blue That's just Vidya and Armaan, both of their misconception that "she (maa) is the only relationship that tied Armaan to family". If Vidya didn't accept Armaan would Kaveri Poddar let her flesh and blood stay in orphanage? Never. Madhav would never let his son stay in orphanage. Chacha, chachi, kids would've never refrained from loving the innocent child Armaan even if Vidya didn't accept him. Vidya could be the first person to accept him (but wasn't Rohit the first person to accept him khair ) others specifically mute Poddars would've still accepted Armaan or they would never maintained distance from Armaan thinking about Vidya.

If Vidya didn't accept child Armaan as he reminds her of her husband's supposed betrayal, KP would have asked Manisha to raise Armaan as her son (that would've been much better though). Allowing Shivani's son Armaan stay in PH was a calculative move by KP and Vidya's acceptance had nothing to do with it. KP knew Madhav was capable of leaving PH again with Armaan, he was capable of leaving Vidya and Rohit behind if they didn't accept Armaan. Could Madhav leave Armaan if Vidya didn't accept him? No. To bound her son Madhav with her favorite DIL (puppet) Vidya, and not to deprive Rohit of his father, she had to accept Armaan. To keep Madhav in PH forever KP would've ensured everyone including phuphasa accept Armaan even if Vidya didn't. Vidya also accepted him thinking that Madhav would be greatful to her for the sacrifice and they can have a fresh start as a couple. But MaYa were tied by loveless marriage, therefore Vidya kept repeating "I've accepted the sign of your betrayal" because in her subconscious she accepted him as she thought accepting Madhav-Shivani's son would benefit her as her husband will never leave her again or love her in gratitude.

She supported him to the point that she didn’t hesitate to betray her presumed-dead son’s memories by getting his wife married to Armaan. Even when she repeatedly claims she can’t be a grandmother, it’s indirectly Armaan’s wish for a child. When people feel betrayed they go into revenge mode, which is exactly what Vidya is currently doing.

@bold Vidya wanted to reunite Armaan-Ruhi after Rohit death as according to her perspective Armaan sacrificed his love and happiness for her son Rohit, suddenly she realized that Armaan always sacrificed for Rohit, it was somehow her payback to only living son for his sacrifice, but if Rohit was alive & instead of running away, divorced Ruhi to reunite Armaan and Ruhi as they supposedly loved each other (this is what he wanted to do before running away. He even prepared his and Ruhi's marriage annulment papers that time) Would Vidya support Armaan that time or Rohit's decision to reunite Armaan and Ruhi as Armaan sacrificed for Rohi? She won't put Armaan over Rohit ever!! till the time Rohit is alive. Yes, she may prioritize & love Armaan above anyone else after Rohit's actual death.

There wasn't even a single scene of Vidya loving even praising Armaan or being affectionate towards Armaan till the time Rohit was alive, not that she never loved Armaan but Rohit was her true son, her real son that's what her behavior, complaints & gestures showed during initial months' episodes. When Rohit died only then her focus shifted to Armaan & his choices, before that she never created ruckus over Armaan getting married to Abhira without involving her in his decision. After Rohit's death she pacified Armaan when he broke down, had conversations with him too but only till the time Rohit wasn't back. But when Rohit was back she let Rohit physically, mentally, emotionally target and hurt Armaan. Vidya never told Rohit that she herself knew about Ar-Ru's past and she wanted to reunite them as a payback to Armaan's sacrifice for him. Vidya wouldn't be able to tolerate Rohit's heartbreak after feeling betrayed by his son. Rohit is now back, Armaan can be pushed, called names or ridiculed. Who cares?

Vidya would actually be the one who tied Armaan to Poddars "if" she made efforts not to let Armaan feel like an outsider, indebted to the people in his house & by opposing KP whenever she mistreated Armaan, by giving him unconditional love like Rohit, if Vidya never felt betrayed because of Armaan's choices, the way she never felt betrayed because of Rohit's choices even when Rohit abandoned her. Why Armaan should be indebted to her when she never stood by his side when he needed her the most? This assumption needs to break to let Vidya calm down and Armaan back to his sense. He shouldn't feel indebted to her as she is NOT the one relationship who connected him to Poddar Family. Vidya just accepted him half-heartedly for her own selfish reasons just like Kaveri Poddar.

Reasons why Armaan is and never will be angry with her. He knows exactly how he can convince Vidya, all he has to do is accept that she is right, his decision to marry Abhira is wrong, that’s all he needs to do to get her forgiveness. Armaan wouldn’t do that because he knows what will happen next, he will lose Abhira forever, either by Abhira leaving him by herself or Vidya will do the honors. Armaan is okay with dealing with all the pain Vidya is serving him, yet in his own stubborn way is waiting for Vidya to accept his marriage with Abhira rather than give into her demands.

@bold No good human would ever accept that getting married to infertile partner, because his mother considers infertility a crime, was a wrong decision. Armaan wouldn't ever do that not only because of the fear of losing Abhira but also because it's wrong and inhumane to even think his maa is right in her pathetic outdated thinking.

For me reasons why Armaan will never be angry with Vidya is he can understand her feeling of being betrayed. Also, he knows that Vidya never gave him rights like Rohit to make her understand the difference between right and wrong. Reasonable and unreasonable. He understands that he has no authority/right to be angry at her the way any son would be, seeing his mother's unreasonable behavior. We mostly have arguments with our parents when we think they are wrong/unfair with their reasoning or choices. Armaan never got that right being the "son in debt". The son who wasn't accepted unconditionally.

If Vidya was doing it all for Armaan's happiness, instead of satisfying her ego that she is the only one who prefers Armaan's happiness or knows him the best, how many doctors Vidya mata consulted to help Armaan by helping Abhira? Normally parents do that for their children instead of breaking their marriage alliance or pushing them to divorce infertile partner that also before trying all other options. If Vidya's behavior or revenge was for something that was in Abhira's control, then her punishment for both of them by asking them to leave PH, would still somehow be understood despite her being wrong, under pretext Vidya is thinking about Armaan's happiness only. In this situation, Vidya isn't even worthy of being called a human let alone being called a woman or a mother. Armaan instead of calling her out for her insane behavior knowing she is wrong & unreasonable, is feeling guilty. But he has his own reasons.

Abhira - I honestly don’t believe she is trying to compensate for Vidya’s place in Armaan’s life. She has tried to talk to Armaan, has tried to both emotionally and physically connect with him, all of which has earned her no results. She is trying to connect to him with the only relationship he understands now, Vidya. She is scared if she too gives up on their marriage, there’s no going back and their marriage could be truly over. The first time she accepted this marriage, it was her individual decision. The second and third time, including the infertility track, she convinced herself to give this relationship another chance against her best judgement. She knows in her heart all her chances are exhausted. There’s only thing that can break her free of this pain, Armaan, either when he decides to finally come back to their marriage or finally free her from this marriage.

Your analysis of Abhira's situation and why she is still trying makes sense. But the marriage will be over if she stop trying is her fear only, which may or may not be true. Whatever she is doing is for Armaan only, but if Armaan was requesting her to stay away from Vidya's birthday preparation as it was a special day for her, Abhira should've respected his opinion. In situations like these "doing nothing" is the best you can do.

@ItvDrama your character analysis is really good even the situation analysis, but I slightly disagree regarding your opinion on Vidya and reason why Armaan cannot be angry with her.

The writers have been playing it smart and safe by not giving Armaan any monologues. They used the same strategy during Armaan and Ruhi marriage track as well. He didn’t get any monologues about Abhira until she confessed her feelings. By giving Armaan a monologue, he would be directly or indirectly siding with either Abhira or Vidya. If his monologue sympathizes with Abhira, his ability to stand by decisions and Abhira becomes questionable. If it supports Vidya, his decision to marry Abhira becomes questionable. Instead they keep showing his inability to balance both relationship. They try to show time and again that Abhira is the emotionally strong one in this relationship, who isn’t easily fazed and still stands strong enough to fight another day. Armaan on the other hand is the one with the real power to bring any changes to their relationship, it’s him who has to decide in what direction he wants to drive their marriage. I feel the writers have been trying to do justice to both their lead characters as much as possible without compromising with their core characteristics.

Armaan - from my perspective his lack of direct conversation with Abhira is due to the fact that he genuinely doesn’t know what to talk to her. Why would he want to reiterate the fact that Abhira is the main reason behind the rift between him and Vidya, which is common knowledge. His constant reminders to her to stay away from Vidya is an indirect indication of that. Yes maybe he can say let’s wait until Vidya’s anger cools down, but wouldn’t he be validating Abhira’s fear that every time something happens she will be blamed and she will have to tolerate it for him. He has reached an impasse in this situation. If he has a cordial with his wife, he seems insensitive towards his mother. When he shares his fears with his wife, it implies his regret towards his decision, maybe not the marriage per se, but him not waiting for Vidya’s approval. I’m sure neither would be okay with having a closed door cordial relationship, that is just disrespectful to each other and duplicitous. All he can hope to do is patiently wait for Vidya to accept him, until then he and this marriage is going to be in limbo.

Abhira - contrary to the belief, I feel the writers have managed to keep her core character intact as well. When she fought without caring about anyone or anything for Krish, Charu, and Vidya-Madhav, why wouldn’t she do everything possible for her own marriage. She is not trying so hard to resolve her issues with Vidya, but Armaan and Vidya’s. All her assurances to Armaan are his relationship with Vidya is going to be back to normal. I don’t think she is under any illusion that even if Armaan and Vidya sort their issue, it’s going to change her status in the family, she subconsciously agreed that to be terms and conditions of their marriage. It also probably would be the worst time for her to give up on Armaan or their marriage, or even have an outburst at this time. If she does any of these things, she may lose whatever little support she has in that family too. Abhira has reached an impasse too. If she reacts against Armaan, she would be called selfish, proving KP’s point of not fit to be in a joint family. She leaves Armaan choosing her sanity, she is blamed to have left her husband in his time of need. Would I love for Abhira to go back to her original self, yes, but I guess this is where the writers are playing it smart with Abhira’s character. If she leaves this marriage at this point, she would be even more hated by not just the family, but may be by Armaan too as she is supposed to be his one true family, who doesn’t hold him responsible for anything. All her talk of wanting and waiting for the family’s approval becomes hollow if she chooses herself at this point. There are only 2 ways left for her in this relationship, either she keeps waiting patiently or Armaan breaks her once and for all and frees her from this marriage.

Originally posted by: ItvDrama

The writers have been playing it smart and safe by not giving Armaan any monologues. They used the same strategy during Armaan and Ruhi marriage track as well. He didn’t get any monologues about Abhira until she confessed her feelings. By giving Armaan a monologue, he would be directly or indirectly siding with either Abhira or Vidya. If his monologue sympathizes with Abhira, his ability to stand by decisions and Abhira becomes questionable. If it supports Vidya, his decision to marry Abhira becomes questionable. Instead they keep showing his inability to balance both relationship. They try to show time and again that Abhira is the emotionally strong one in this relationship, who isn’t easily fazed and still stands strong enough to fight another day. Armaan on the other hand is the one with the real power to bring any changes to their relationship, it’s him who has to decide in what direction he wants to drive their marriage. I feel the writers have been trying to do justice to both their lead characters as much as possible without compromising with their core characteristics.

Armaan - from my perspective his lack of direct conversation with Abhira is due to the fact that he genuinely doesn’t know what to talk to her. Why would he want to reiterate the fact that Abhira is the main reason behind the rift between him and Vidya, which is common knowledge. His constant reminders to her to stay away from Vidya is an indirect indication of that. Yes maybe he can say let’s wait until Vidya’s anger cools down, but wouldn’t he be validating Abhira’s fear that every time something happens she will be blamed and she will have to tolerate it for him. He has reached an impasse in this situation. If he has a cordial with his wife, he seems insensitive towards his mother. When he shares his fears with his wife, it implies his regret towards his decision, maybe not the marriage per se, but him not waiting for Vidya’s approval. I’m sure neither would be okay with having a closed door cordial relationship, that is just disrespectful to each other and duplicitous. All he can hope to do is patiently wait for Vidya to accept him, until then he and this marriage is going to be in limbo.

Abhira - contrary to the belief, I feel the writers have managed to keep her core character intact as well. When she fought without caring about anyone or anything for Krish, Charu, and Vidya-Madhav, why wouldn’t she do everything possible for her own marriage. She is not trying so hard to resolve her issues with Vidya, but Armaan and Vidya’s. All her assurances to Armaan are his relationship with Vidya is going to be back to normal. I don’t think she is under any illusion that even if Armaan and Vidya sort their issue, it’s going to change her status in the family, she subconsciously agreed that to be terms and conditions of their marriage. It also probably would be the worst time for her to give up on Armaan or their marriage, or even have an outburst at this time. If she does any of these things, she may lose whatever little support she has in that family too. Abhira has reached an impasse too. If she reacts against Armaan, she would be called selfish, proving KP’s point of not fit to be in a joint family. She leaves Armaan choosing her sanity, she is blamed to have left her husband in his time of need. Would I love for Abhira to go back to her original self, yes, but I guess this is where the writers are playing it smart with Abhira’s character. If she leaves this marriage at this point, she would be even more hated by not just the family, but may be by Armaan too. All her talk of wanting and waiting for the family’s approval becomes hollow if she chooses herself. There are only 2 ways left for her in this relationship, either she keeps waiting patiently or Armaan breaks her once and for all and frees her from this marriage.

After reading your perspective I think now I can understand both Armaan and Abhira's situation & reactions without judgement. Thank you, you have explained it beautifully

I can understand Armaan's despondency, pain, angst. Vidya is very important to him even when she's unreasonable. I don't think he expected her to carry on this disowning and ignoring thing for 3 months when even a Kaveri has grudgingly and for her own selfish motives accepted shaadi and Abhira . Even if he's struggling to share with Abhira what his feelings are, because he's caught off guard by it all, at the very least he can indulge her and himself in a few moments of simple togetherness. Surely he can see that just like he is grieving, she is alone and grieving too. He can indulge at least a few small things like eating a meal with her when she requests him or offering atleast a forced smile to acknowledge her efforts when she's going out of the way to try and cheer him up, even if he's extremely sad and upset about the current situation. He may not be in the goofy, fun, expressive boyfriend mode until V issue is sorted, but he doesn't have to be so indifferent to his wife either. He's coming across as someone who couldn't care less if Abhira existed or not. And everything she says or does, he seems to be irritated with. When she tries to infuse hope, he shuts it down with practicality. Yet he cant actually walk out with Abhira. If he's so sure V won't come around then he needs to leave so that Ab and him can have a fresh start. Multiple times he has convinced Ab that they should go, but every time she actually agrees and takes that step with him they backtrack and end up at square one.

When she tries to take care of him or just spend time with her husband - wanting to eat a meal, have chaat, talk about their work- that also he doesn't want to do.

Will Vidyas anger resolve by giving a cold shoulder to Abhira?

He is only making Vs shraap of them never being happy together come true by pushing Abhira away and being physically and emotionally distant from her. She's trying to hang on to him and their marriage with everything she has. But he is acting as if he cant see how much his behavior is impacting Abhira.

After fighting everyone to marry Abhira, it took him literally no time to just abandon her and be consumed in his own thoughts and feelings. Thats extremely disappointing.

And he seems to have no end game here. Neither is he trying to manao V nor is he leaving PH by prioritizing Ab . He made tall promises that he'd always love her, keep her happy. He's broken it all.

Earlier she was unhappy and scared because he dumped her, she was alone. But now she is still feeling the same emotions despite being married to the man she loves.

Really nicely explained 💕

Dil

This is so well written🙌🙌