CB and Julius Caesar (26th Feb episode)-page 5 - Page 4

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tazzi

Misti73 Wow great analogy. You're excellent writer. Thanks you. As Sigrid said....I also felt Goa is a calm before a big storm. But remember in the past they always showed that their relationship became stronger in a good way. They learned somethings about each other that made them love each other even more. I also have a feeling that their separation is pending. I hope not. But I think this time Rads will hopefully fight because she promised Dadima that she will lot make Dev loose his flute (happiness). As someone said in previous post Rads is not complete without Dev and vice versa. When Rads promises somethings she tries to fulfill them unless other circumstances happens.

Thank you Tazzi. This time I hope she will keep her promise to dadima.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Misti, Gardes, Sandeepa and my other friends: Excellent points and discussion.
As Sandeepa mentioned in her post about references to Ramayan, I am anticipating the story to take either of these three routes.
1. Dev and Radhika misunderstanding, and separation, Radhika getting pregnant with twins (Luv Kush) .......Finally these twins uniting their parents.(Mrin and Vish creating rift between them)....
2. Radhika not getting pregnant in time, and Dadi getting Vish into PB, to save the property (I dont know how, but I think some how the property and waaris issue is related to some time frame, i.e it must happen within some time frame)....Later Radhika getting preg.....
3. Chachu was smiling and asking Dev to be not worrying....but back stabs him..........and Radev with family being shown the door out.......Similar again to Ramayan, that Ram Sita leaving Ayodhya..............Similarly RaDev leaving PB............
But, in any case, Misti and Gardes, again, excellent post................
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: anukapoor

Misti, Gardes, Sandeepa and my other friends: Excellent points and discussion.

As Sandeepa mentioned in her post about references to Ramayan, I am anticipating the story to take either of these three routes.
1. Dev and Radhika misunderstanding, and separation, Radhika getting pregnant with twins (Luv Kush) .......Finally these twins uniting their parents.(Mrin and Vish creating rift between them)....
2. Radhika not getting pregnant in time, and Dadi getting Vish into PB, to save the property (I dont know how, but I think some how the property and waaris issue is related to some time frame, i.e it must happen within some time frame)....Later Radhika getting preg.....
3. Chachu was smiling and asking Dev to be not worrying....but back stabs him..........and Radev with family being shown the door out.......Similar again to Ramayan, that Ram Sita leaving Ayodhya..............Similarly RaDev leaving PB............
But, in any case, Misti and Gardes, again, excellent post................

Thanks Anu for your response.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: misti73

Et tu Brute..........or And you, Brutus or You too, Brutus has been written in Shakespeares Julius Ceaser and as you have correctly pointed out is widely used in English language as a way of expressing betrayal............it is still not clear whether Ceaser actually said something when he was killed...........according to some historians he has been shown as cursing Brutus and has predicted that like him Brutus will also have a violent death........actually Brutus commited suicide.
Julius Ceasers parallel can be shown in slightly different way........killing Ceaser is similar to destroying dev and dadis trust in Radhika...........thats actually means Radhika is destroying herself.............and if we take the soothsayer as Birju then Birju did warn Radhika that she is going towards her own self destruction...........so like Cassius used Brutus to kill Caeser, her best friend.....same way Vishaka is using Radhika to destroy Radhika..........and Radhika until now is her own best friend............until and unless she opens upto Dev I will not consider Dev as Radhikas friend.
I really hope Radhika has that moment and like the historians view of Ceaser during his murder, pulls herself up and curses Vishaka and gives it back to her.

So carrying on our discussion regarding Julius Ceaser and CB........the highlighted portion in the above post does show what happened in fridays episode regarding Vishaka and Radhika..........but here in his case Radhika is Caesar, Vishaka is Brutus and amma is Cassius.
Now comes the analogy........Cassius was the main manipulator and he manipultates Brutus into believing that supporting Julis Ceaser will be bad for Rome........Brutus as a character was not really black or white.........he was grey........he had his positive and negative characteristics and he acted against JC due to suspicion that was implanted in his head Cassius—that Caesar intends to turn republican Rome into a monarchy. Brutus, a close friend to Caesar, had a strong relationship with Caesar but a stronger relationship with Rome and its people. If he hadn't loved Rome more than Caesar, he would not have joined in the assassination of Julius Caesar. As for Caesar, he feels that Brutus is noble to him and does the right thing regardless of personal danger.
I know that Vishaka is not Brutus, because the description the defines Brutus is that he was very noble, which we all know is a word that is not present in Vishakas dictionary........but similar to Brutus- Ceaser relationship, Vishaka although for her selfish needs has been shown or depicted by the creatives to be positive in certain cases towards Radhika..........in her own way she might have some teeny weeny amount of feeling for Radhika but she does value the purohit wealth (rome in JC) more than Radhika. As for Radhika, before fridays episode Radhika used to think that Vishaka is very innocent and can be easily manipulated..........that although she does wrong things she has a good heart (I always used to wonder listening to this dialogue from Radhikas mouth that she is actually describing herself and not Vishaka !).
Both Brutus and Vishaka also have one character trait that was used by the manipulators, Cassius in JC and amma in CB. For Brutus it was his nobility and for Vishaka it is her selfishness and her being extremely selfcentered.Similar to the way Cassius manipultaed Brutus, amma also manipulated Vishaka knowing that Vishaka will not let anyone get better of her......she let Vishaka know that Radhika does not really like her or thinks well off her and is only interested in being the Choti Bahu and will take all the wealth.
That lead to Vishaka trying to kill Radhika........by killing I mean not really killing but I have used it metaphorically here to represent Radhika loosing Dev.......because that will be like killing Radhikas soul. But instead of following the Shakespearan version of Ceasar dying.......Radhikas reaction was more similar to that of the historians view that Ceaser although dies but does not accept it calmly but curses Brutus in return. Here Radhika dying will represent that by this single act of Vishaka, the old Radhika hopefully will not take prominence any more and finaly we will see the new one coming out...........and Radhika did curse and shout at Vishaka.
At the end Brutus lost everything and he comitted suicide...........wonder what is going to happen to Vishaka when she faces her failures.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Mishti, thanks for revisitng and great analogies. Vish's failures will be a greater failure for Amma, a very revealing moment for Amma, and the ultimate punishment from her Thakurji.
When returning from pag phera, the scene where they show simultaneous conversations between Amma and Vishakha and Dev and Radhika, with "yada yada hi dharmasya........" playing in the background is the starting point of the battle of the good and evil and Vish and Amma's failure will be the ending.... "Paritranaya sadhunam vinashaya cha dushkritam; Dharma-saunthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge".... to protect the good and annihilate the evil, I will present myself in every yuga!
My bet is on these shloks from BG chapter 4, shloks 7 and 8.

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