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Overall I think the audience not understanding and confused with meerab and murtasam character because - perhaps not showing all the small nutty gritty scene.

For episode 24:

directing: 6/10

Editing: 4/10

Writing: 3/10

acting: 10/10

there are stuff missing. We can sense that. You have drama to show character progress but I think the team was focused on showing the up and down of M & M that they forgot the background story is also very important to make the drama run smoothly. Hench we are like when did love progress for murtasam? When did him and haya became friend? When did murtasam started to not tell haya to Shutup! Or when meerab was close to his other friends!

story is amazing! But some clips are missing!!! This is not a film so they could have shown this small stuff! Idk my pov

Originally posted by: arshi1983

IMO, Zaroon Junaid is a toxic character It was supposedly charismatic for a few because Fawad played it otherwise there was nothing remotely attractive about his character.

Zaroon was an entitled brat and a flawed human being. He wasn't toxic like Mir Hadi or shamsher that roamed around with a gun and demanded the girl to love him. He might have been manipulative to get what he wants but not a bad person. He was a grey character esp during the college days. He had a gradual change that was believable and he did handle a lot of kasaf's insecurities and hesitation pretty well after marriage. There was the library scene and his unwanted jealousy over osama's proposal but apart from that he and kasaf both were equally flawed human beings.

Zaroon also admits he is conservative in his approach and also admits he has double standards. He don't make huge dialogues on how he admires the strength and independence of his wife and then gets mad at her for the same quality. He was a pretty self aware person and was ready to adjust in a marriage. He was never like my way or highway with his wife. He never demanded kasaf to follow everything he says without questioning him. He was fine with her being financially independent and working away from home.

Also he was well written. A grey character or a character with questionable morals can be well written. His actions whether it's good or bad were understandable. The reason why he wanted a conservative wife is because he felt neglected as a child by his mother and he didn't want to be neglected as a husband as well. It might not be acceptable for us and some of us including me felt he need to change his pov but we understand where he comes from. Even though he didn't approve of his mother or sister's lifestyle he never tried to control them or forced them to live the life he wants them to live. He still had a good relation with his mother where they had healthy discussion on the conflict of their pov. There was consistency in his character.

There is a fine line between having some problematic qualities and being toxic. Zaroon never crossed that line. He had some problematic characteristics but not toxic.

Even when he was jealous and over reacted after knowing osama's proposal he never tried to make the fight physical or said any degrading words towards kasaf. He simply went around sulking and throwing tantrums.

He wasn't husband goals or bf goals but he was a realistic guy and a well written character.

Even if Meerab is unaware of Rohail's obsession it nowhere allows her to share her marriage life with an outsider, like in all sensibility why the hell did she tell him, he isn't her brother father, he is a stranger, even she shouldn't this with her parents or siblings. Rohail's dislike aside but how is he spitting venoms like Murtasim do not love her blah, blah and Meerab should have defended him since she is pretty much obvious of Murtasim's feelings but it's clear that Meerab is dumb who only knows how to run her tongue in front of Murtasim.

There wasn't actually a need for Murtasim to fight and create a scene on gajra matter, as Haya herself was aware that they were bought for Meerab. He gently made Meerab aware of it and it reflected that how much he genuinely want peace and stability in the home by not exaggerating things.

As I mentioned before that Murtasim being an emotionally sensitive was shaken by the killings of his men, being going through too much, no one would like to give a damn to a worthless person like Haya, he had many more crucial elements to deal with, despite that he made his love and respect for Meerab clear, unlike Meerab who disgraced the respect of her marriage and husband without a second thought.

There is no doubt that the efforts in the relationship are only conveyed by Murtasim, whether it's love, respect or understanding, they are all one sided and it's high time that Meerab reciprocates it, if not love but she must reciprocates the respect because such one sided relationships only goes towards destruction if left on the shoulders of a single human.

Originally posted by: Alizba63

I hoped they would wrap up by forty max. But it will be more. The increase in episode dilutes the quality.

They did establish characters. The problem is now they are all going out of character or logic and it's making the progress and the last 22 episodes make no sense.

already at ep 25 we see all these mistakes.. i wonder what would happen if it continues longer… i feel the writer didnt think this through.

Originally posted by: JaneAustin

I totally agree with this. Murtasim has spent the last few days being all romantic and seductive and showing Meerab that he cares for her over and above everyone else. Even telling her to her face that she’s the only one that matters.

And yet she kept telling him that she doesn’t like it when Haya is around him and to not give her any encouragement. He is stupidly thinking that she is jealous and enjoying her annoyance at Haya.

He is not looking at the fact that she is trying to build a relationship with him and that Haya is a huge reason she’s holding back. So finally because of the past few days where he has been so romantic to her, Meerab goes to him to the village with a sense of ‘haq’ only to find out she has been betrayed by him with Haya again. Even if he explains he was trying to help her with a bit of dust in her eye or whatever it was, still the damage is done.

Her tears when she’s shouting at Murtasim are reminiscent of the tears that he shed in the garden when he thought she had left him after the accident. She’s thinking you really don’t care for me at all, your actions prove it.
She is so hurt and I honestly think he deserves to feel what she’s going through when he finds out about her and Rohail.

I 100% agree on this!!! Murtasim should understand meerab’s outburst and he better not say “woh meri cousin hai”

Originally posted by: arshi1983

My 2 cents-

"It's pretty obvious that the only thing the makers spend any time on is to have intense passionate scenes and tashan scenes between meerab and murtasim. Everything else is just there. Even pak daily soaps put more effort in establishing the characters than this drama with A list actors and high production quality" ---- I beg to differ here!

In a finite series, u cannot crowd ur script with too many scenes that keeps establishing the characters and their arcs. A recent example- In PS1, Mani sir would've just established the character of kundavai in 1-2 scenes, so as a viewer u just a catch that little thread and travel along and try to understand her subsequent actions. IMO, feeding too much to the audience is a thing of the past;catch their nuances and meet them in the middle.

Thanks for saying this-

Everyone is irritated with the fact that why is Murtasim kind with Haya or talks to her then we must remember that Murtasim confided in Haya about his guilt for the slap. Haya is the girl he grew up with and holds no romantic feelings for but she connected to him and his past, if you remember his conversation with Haya on the staircase, it was very deep and by a glance Haya easily interpreted that he is emotionally connected to Meerab's pain. In that scene as well Murtasim softly asked her to not cry and go to her room. So the softness isn't out of nowhere instead it's realistic for him to be kind with her when he is kind with everyone around. Yes he had been harsh with her initially on her romantic advances but we look deeply so she was never effected from it neither backed away so he changed approach in hopes of changing her and he expressed this to Meerab as well.

They've shared a good camaraderie in the past and there were a couple of scenes to establish that. The times when he whisked her hand away were the ones where she was obviously making some physical advances and nudging him to accept her love. The reason for him not being all macho or the quintessential feudal lord in the Panchayat was because he was visibly shaken with what had happened to those 3 guys. He is beginning to question his decisions! He said "Hum in ghareebon ki qismat kiu apne hathon se likh dete hain" ---this introspection is again a character development! He feels he is responsible for ruining Naila's life. He is learning too. He is a flawed human afterall! If he doesnt change even after Meerab's outburt in the enxt episode, then I will change my stance. But atleast up until now, I see no character glitches!

If a 3 hour movie can establish all the main characters within its runtime like k3g then how come a drama with 40+ episodes with 40mins run time each not establish characters. That's a very lame excuse for bad writing.

Did dramas like Zgh, udaari, yks and numerous other well written pak dramas had 100 episodes to establish all the characters? Those dramas ended with 24-25 episodes itself. Diyar-e-Dil had two generation storyline with well established characters and it only had 33 episodes. That had a huge starcast with multiple storylines. Here all they have is a single household with the entire story revolving around the leads and you are saying they don't have enough time to establish each characters? Forget each characters they haven't even properly established the leads and consistent writing for the lead's characterisation.

Yes definitely. I was willing to tolerate, and already pre-accepted, that we would have continuity issues in these shows. However, I didn’t find that those interrupted the overall flow of story development at that point.

But we were really dumped with a lot of shameful and out of sorts behavior yesterday that just wasn’t properly supported. We are being asked to assume and import in A LOT of backstory etc., on our own. This is evident from the varying perspectives here on why the characters are acting the way they are, at such an important junction in this story. The show should have done most of this work. (Simply having a character say “oh we had great times in the past” etc. doesn’t automatically make it make sense to us if we are not seeing it in their behavior.)

For me, the first two episodes defined Murtasim’s behavior towards Haya, because these scenes were shown so specifically and pointedly. Like, they really made a point of displaying Murtasim’s behavior towards her in rather dramatic fashion. Who doesn’t remember him standing at the stairs, glaring at her and ignoring the glass in his face! We were purposely shown that this dude despises this girl so much, he won’t even take the glass of water from her. Now we are being asked to understand why he suddenly tolerates her disgusting behavior, especially in front of his wife. Ok, so he expressed that he feels bad for her, but from this, I would expect him to just talk to her nicely now, instead of ignoring her. Instead the man has done a full on 180 and is acting out of HIS character towards her. I mean the woman helped to get his wife kicked out of the dang house, prevented her from going to the hospital, at a point when he was dying to see her. Haya led him to yell at his own wife and tell her to leave; he himself said that she was spreading “badghumaniyan.” So, how is it believable that Murtasim Khan, who seemed to be a generally thoughtful man, suddenly allows all of her blatant shameless behavior. (Her stealing his wife’s gajras, flaunting them in front of his wife…AFTER she promised not to bother her, and then continuing to express her desire to marry him.) THAT still doesn’t go with his character or any of his expressed development in feelings towards Haya. Had they maybe showed Haya “pretending” to like and help Meerub and him, then maybe we could understand. But they didn’t. To me, this really takes away from the story. I will still watch specifically for the love story, (and the great commentary, edits, and fun memes!) but not with as much excitement as I did before. It does feel like a bit of a let-down.

Originally posted by: FireSafireFiree

Overall I think the audience not understanding and confused with meerab and murtasam character because - perhaps not showing all the small nutty gritty scene.

For episode 24:

directing: 6/10

Editing: 4/10

Writing: 3/10

acting: 10/10

there are stuff missing. We can sense that. You have drama to show character progress but I think the team was focused on showing the up and down of M & M that they forgot the background story is also very important to make the drama run smoothly. Hench we are like when did love progress for murtasam? When did him and haya became friend? When did murtasam started to not tell haya to Shutup! Or when meerab was close to his other friends!

story is amazing! But some clips are missing!!! This is not a film so they could have shown this small stuff! Idk my pov

Originally posted by: TheMsSupernova

I think Murtasim and Haya actually had a friendly relationship before. They probably used to go out a lot together. You can tell that by how Haya talks about the past. I’m pretty sure Haya didn’t lie to Meerab on the wedding day. But I’m pretty sure their relationship changed before Murtasim got married. I don’t understand how he can change so much. I get that he might have some sympathy for her. Maybe he is afraid that she is going to do something stupid again, but I just don’t understand how he can be this stupid. He knows Hayas intentions, everybody in the house does (maybe not Anwar) so why did this happen. How can anybody think it was a good idea to send her with Murtasim. This was just stupid. He said no to taking Anwar, no to taking Meerab and no to taking his mother with him. Then what is the logic behind taking Haya with him. So she can keep maa begum updated on the situation. Like there aren’t servants there that can talk to her. The whole situation is stupid and illogical. And a huge turn off.

At Least he makes it clear to Haya that he loves his wife and she loves him too. But how can he think this is ok? And how can he be ok with not talking to his wife for a whole day? So many illogical things happened in this episode.

I think that Meerab didn’t want to tell the family that she isn’t pregnant because she is afraid that they will know why. You can see throughout the episode her stressing about it. But she could probably tell the truth that her stomach is bad because of something she ate or take a pregnancy test and say it was negative. I mean so many things she could do. But I think she is waiting to talk to Murtasim before she does anything because she hasn’t said anything to clarify the misunderstanding.

I feel like people are kind of overreacting on the whole Rohail thing. Her meeting her friend is ok. But she should lie about it. But it wouldn’t look good if she met a male friend. I mean she got slapped when she danced at her waalima. If i was her I would be afraid of the family overacting again. She obviously didn’t want to meet him and was reluctant to talk to him on the phone. Eventually she gave in and met him because he was pleading with her. I mean that her friend and he are worried for her and came all the way to meet her. She probably felt like she owed him that. When he confessed to her she said sorry, but she never took him more than a friend. When he tried to convince her, she clearly said nothing can be done now and gave him the ring back.

Her revealing the truth about her relationship with Murtasim, about the contract is because of the pregnancy drama. She is stressed by the situation at home and doesn’t know what to do. The only person she can talk to isn’t at home. She knows that soon everybody will know and need her husband to help her figure out what to do and how to handle the situation. But he is not there. Because of the stress and having nobody to talk to she tells him the drama at home and everything that is happening to her and tells him that it is not possible because they don’t have that type of relationship. No, this is not ok. You shouldn't talk to a guy who just confessed to you about these types of things. You shouldn’t talk to a guy about types of things period. But she is stressed and needs someone to talk to and the only person she has right now is her friend that she has known for 4 years. It was extremely stupid and it is going to bite her butt later, but get why she said it.

The things Rohail said about Murtasim is probably going to affect her after the Haya drama. She will probably think that he doesn't love her and just married her for his izzat. If I don’t remember it wrong she did one time say that she is not going to get fooled by Murtasim. So maybe she doesn't truly believe that he loves her. I mean we as the audience have plenty of time wondered whether he is lying and pretending.

For her he didn't say no to not ruin his image. Which rohail again indirectly hinted by saying he married her for izzat.

That was the reason she too thinks about murtasim not saying no.

For her

Had he said no, she wouldn't have got to know about her birth secret which changed her whole life.

After that she herself said yes for marriage, murtasim asked for her consent, when he said he will try to find other way, she said there is no other way.

Because she didn't have trust in him. According to her, he didn't say no when needed, so him saying no now won't change anything. Her adoptive parents won't accept her, she don't want to accept her real father. So she wants shelter where she can stay with respect. Even if she accepts her real father, he will obviously force her to marry murtasim.

So she directed all her anger to murtasim by blaming him for not saying no for first time.

It is misplaced anger which murtasim doesn't deserve. But that's how she interpreted everything.

When murtasim started flirting with her, she had monologues like my life became like this because u r in my life, I won't get fooled by ur tricks.

She didn't believe his feelings until accident track.

Because the person with whom she doesn't share good relationship since childhood suddenly became soft with her post marriage. Which is difficult for her to believe.

Post accident, she started seeing him in new light. Unknowingly accepted his flirting. Enjoyed his love. But haya angle again became block.

With haya in picture, it's again difficult for her to trust murtasim when she sees him giving leeway to haya infront of her.

She didn't defend murtasim infront of rohail because she herself doesn't believe murtasim love completely.

Still she could have defended him for few dialogues. Again very wrong on her part.

But for the love part, I feel she didn't defend because she herself is not sure about his love for her.

Originally posted by: WanderingWonder

Yes definitely. I was willing to tolerate, and already pre-accepted, that we would have continuity issues in these shows. However, I didn’t find that those interrupted the overall flow of story development at that point.

But we were really dumped with a lot of shameful and out of sorts behavior yesterday that just wasn’t properly supported. We are being asked to assume and import in A LOT of backstory etc., on our own. This is evident from the varying perspectives here on why the characters are acting the way they are, at such an important junction in this story. The show should have done most of this work. (Simply having a character say “oh we had great times in the past” etc. doesn’t automatically make it make sense to us if we are not seeing it in their behavior.)

For me, the first two episodes defined Murtasim’s behavior towards Haya, because these scenes were shown so specifically and pointedly. Like, they really made a point of displaying Murtasim’s behavior towards her in rather dramatic fashion. Who doesn’t remember him standing at the stairs, glaring at her and ignoring the glass in his face! We were purposely shown that this dude despises this girl so much, he won’t even take the glass of water from her. Now we are being asked to understand why he suddenly tolerates her disgusting behavior, especially in front of his wife. Ok, so he expressed that he feels bad for her, but from this, I would expect him to just talk to her nicely now, instead of ignoring her. Instead the man has done a full on 180 and is acting out of HIS character towards her. I mean the woman helped to get his wife kicked out of the dang house, prevented her from going to the hospital, at a point when he was dying to see her. Haya led him to yell at his own wife and tell her to leave; he himself said that she was spreading “badghumaniyan.” So, how is it believable that Murtasim Khan, who seemed to be a generally thoughtful man, suddenly allows all of her blatant shameless behavior. (Her stealing his wife’s gajras, flaunting them in front of his wife…AFTER she promised not to bother her, and then continuing to express her desire to marry him.) THAT still doesn’t go with his character or any of his expressed development in feelings towards Haya. Had they maybe showed Haya “pretending” to like and help Meerub and him, then maybe we could understand. But they didn’t. To me, this really takes away from the story. I will still watch specifically for the love story, (and the great commentary, edits, and fun memes!) but not with as much excitement as I did before. It does feel like a bit of a let-down.

@bold that's exactly what the problem is..they showed something else in the initial episodes and now they are showing something thay don't match with what's already been shown to us. We are all assuming murtu 'might have been' close to haya, meerba 'might have been' close enough with rohail to spill out every.

If we just have to assume everything, we can assume that murtu the great is dropped from another planet and is Superman by seeing how similar his shawl and Superman's cape flys in the air.

Originally posted by: Heeba

I 100% agree on this!!! Murtasim should understand meerab’s outburst and he better not say “woh meri cousin hai”

I hv no high Hope from writer, but I do wish this time murtasim actually set the boundaries straight with haya and assure meerab this will not happen again. Even if they are cousins, he needs to maintain distance from haya when he clearly knows about her feelings nd he doesn't reciprocate same.