Sorry Raghav, not yet... - Page 3

Originally posted by: AnushkhaA

Did he not get insecure when Pallavi wanted to help Mandar coz of the same guilt of moving on while her ex was suffering..how can he engage in something which he felt so bad about in the past…that’s hypocrisy right!!!

Definitely it will be hypocrisy but if I was telling that Pallavi has no right to be insecure. I never said that she can't be insecure. I said that just like I defended Pallavi because during the Mandaar track knowing she is doing it out if guilt, I will say the same for Raghav. That whatever he did was done out of guilt. Agreeing to share a drink that is...

Had I bashed Raghav instead for feeling guilty that would have been hypocrisy don't you think?

No one knows what happens in the future so that doesn’t mean they loose perspective of right and wrong in a given situation.. Raghav had many options to handle this situation in better way…but he not only chose not to exercise it but also indulged in inappropriate behavior..

Hmm.. like Pallavi should have known that Mandar will turn out to be an obsessive psychopath? So she shouldn't have stayed to help him heal? Then according to your logic, that is her fault then.. she could have handled it better. And how could Raghav have handled it better? Helping with first aid and then move out of the room after being told that Esha willingly married an abusive ba*tard to save his life? And what was inappropriate according to you? Drinking with her? Was it because he broke the promise or because he was drinking with Esha?

Pallavi did not know about Mandar’s obsession but she was daft towards his intent & behavior and she got called out for it multiple times throughout the track and to this day..on the other hand Raghav knew Esha’s intense love for him even before the night and in fact he even connected to her emotionally during the eyelock and still activity engaged in encouraging her…and we still defend him…that beats all logics…

Well I don't know what others did but atleast I hadn't called her out for that. Instead I did defend her at that time. I can share the link of that post I had given during that time too.. if you want. And I didn't think Raghav connected with Esha at an emotional level with an eyelock.. I found it awkward. Nothing was said or implied. Other than that Esha found it pleasing.. obviously coz she still loves him. How we interpret it is our own wish. He wasn't encouraging her advances hon... I didn't see him doing anything of that sort. In fact Esha hadn't made any move on him till then.. it was after he passed out she went closer... didn't she?

I agree with everything you say and feel exactly the same.👍👍

He has moved on and loves Pallavi but at that moment he must have felt all that hatred to be lifted of his chest think ing that esha sacrificed for him and he hated her and even felt guilty as according to him he had wronged her and hated her when all she wanted to do was save him.

Alot of people are saying usna promise kiya to Pallavi not to drink well yes he did but as they say easier said than done he has been drinking for many Years and suddenly uski daru band nahi hogi it will take time he'll also probably be tempted and give in like he did with esha when she challenge d with that stupid drinking competition he did wrong but he's at a withdrawing stage and people often give in to temptations .

He's someone who has a communication issues regarding his emotions and has had trouble dealing with abandonment issues as well it's difficult dealing with people who have been traumatized by painful incidents in the past and it's not easy dealing with such people.

I can very much relate to him I've personally have had severe abandonment and lack of expressiveness regarding my emotions due to a painful childhood and even suffered depression for six years it took alot for me to come out of it I won't say I'm completely over those issues but I'm getting better and I'm much more capable of handling them now but still it can be quiet scary and it takes alot for me to trust people.

So this track is actually going to act as a closure I know it seems tipsy and I too am worried and hope they don't make a joke about the harassment he has faced at the hands of Esha and not overlooked like they have done till now in the show .

Originally posted by: joliefemme

I don't think we need to wait for this track to play out to realise how badly Raghav is getting trapped. It's not his fault, that's totally on Esha. We already know it.

Unfortunately Samreen, the yardstick should be the same to judge both Pallavi and Raghav right? If people were intolerant towards Pallavi then, there will be those who will be intolerant towards Raghav now. We defended Pallavi then and will defend Raghav now.

In fact Pals had it worse when she didn't do anything problematic (the forum was so toxic). Raghav is walking on really thin ice here due to his actions before being sloshed and him lying from Pallavi going forward is going to make him come out even worse. There are obvious parallels to M track drawn here so comparison is inevitable.

It's time he learns from his mistakes and overcomes his abandonment issues and stops lying. Pallavi deserves an honest partner who will value her and her trust, respect and love her.

@TM, lovely post

Hi Ren long time..

I think it's unfair to compare Raghav and Palls although both the tracks were about ex.

Pall had it worse, I must say being innocent and truthful it was a lot of bashing, the words used were 🤢 it made me forever stopped coming to MF.

Although she made so many mistakes and blunder in M track but her core characteristics were intact.

For ex, when she left the dinner and go to see M who was pretending to be ill- I saw her leaving Mansi Sangeet to go for some problem in DSE order so although I was frustrated but it was totally her character. She was just made to be dumb and oblivious to both R and Ms feelings.

But here what R did is totally out of his character. First of all they been building this in writing forever, making him hide things from her, showing him still affected by the ex.

R was a straightforward, honest and truthful character who owned up truth as well as his mistakes.

But what's showing now is totally against his character. His control is slipping out of his hands, he is going to hide mistakes not own them. The only saving grace would have been if he tells the truth to pal but I see that doesn't happen so more hiding and MUs.

I don't even know what I am saying anymore 🤔.

My point was if not people would have been fair to Pal we could have deduced everything with quite mind but now everything is jumbled up and no matter what comparison will happen instead of raising points .

Hope I made sense

Originally posted by: Isamreen

Hi Ren long time.. Hey Samreen, I think you're stuck to the AT or not coming to the forum isliye we couldn't meet. Hope you're well

I think it's unfair to compare Raghav and Palls although both the tracks were about ex. If you notice the makers are literally drawing parallels here. Messages and now drugging/ drinking. I never expected things to spiral downward so quickly afterall it's been 2 days since Esha has come back.

Pall had it worse, I must say being innocent and truthful it was a lot of bashing, the words used were 🤢 it made me forever stopped coming to MF. Yes I used to stalk then and I know how toxic is was

Although she made so many mistakes and blunder in M track but her core characteristics were intact. Absolutely.

For ex, when she left the dinner and go to see M who was pretending to be ill- I saw her leaving Mansi Sangeet to go for some problem in DSE order so although I was frustrated but it was totally her character. She was just made to be dumb and oblivious to both R and Ms feelings. Yes she was made dumb and she made mistakes but they weren't as bad as what Raghav is made to do now.

But here what R did is totally out of his character. First of all they been building this in writing forever, making him hide things from her, showing him still affected by the ex. You know they have been slowly building this narrative of him lying to her due to his insecurities, drinking and losing control since the past several tracks. Today in the scheme of things he doesn't look out of character to me.

R was a straightforward, honest and truthful character who owned up truth as well as his mistakes. I agree, he's totally changed now.

But what's showing now is totally against his character. His control is slipping out of his hands, he is going to hide mistakes not own them. The only saving grace would have been if he tells the truth to pal but I see that doesn't happen so more hiding and MUs. Unfortunately I don't see it happening too and that's where i draw the line. He needs to tell the truth to her, she deserves nothing but the truth. I will find it difficult to forgive him if he hides this from her.

I don't even know what I am saying anymore 🤔.

My point was if not people would have been fair to Pal we could have deduced everything with quite mind but now everything is jumbled up and no matter what comparison will happen instead of raising points .

Hope I made sense

You made sense. It's all too mish mash and complex and hence everyone stands are conflicted. I don't even know where on the spectrum I stand coz it's constantly to changing and my thoughts are al over the place

Originally posted by: AnushkhaA

I think all of you are forgetting that he had just come to know that Esha had practically sacrificed her own happiness for his safety whence all these years he had been berating and cursing her.

What is a man supposed to do at this stage? Wouldn't he try to make her feel a little better? A little at ease or perhaps not so awkward? Her sharing a drink with her was perhaps to show his unworded apology or acceptance of her deed. He will definitely not be uncomfortable with a woman... whom he had once loved. Who was his friend before being his girlfriend. And who, as he had just come to know had saved his life.

How was he supposed to know that she would end up doing something like this?

Like during the Mandaar track Pallavi initially hadn't felt uncomfortable with Mandaar right? That wasn't her fault even though she didn't know him at all? Even though it was implied to the audience that he is a creep.

This... Well said.

He used to be friends with her, that affection doesn't go away. She made a huge sacrifice and essentially ruined her life to save his. It's normal that she never stopped loving him. I'd find it weird if she did. When you find out that your ex didn't betray you at all and you kept hating her while she kept loving you and tried to save you, that makes a massive difference to how you would feel towards your ex. He used to love her a lot and considered her his soulmate in the last. She wasn't just a fling. I wouldn't expect him to just walk away after saying thank you, especially when she was hurting physically and emotionally. She was the damsel in distress too in that moment and he responded with a lot of sympathy. Him giving her company was also because he fault sorry for her, felt bad for hating her all these years, even though he was in the dark.

There's nothing wrong with listening to her expressing his feelings because she can have whatever feelings she wants. They are one-sided but just like he hadn't moved on from hating her all these years until he learned the truth, she hadn't moved on from loving him all these years. People are fine with Veer doing that for Zara but not Esha doing that for Raghav?

The point is that he didn't act on it but she did later on. If she hadn't, and nothing had happened between them, and they had gone their separate ways back to Hyderabad amicably, the reaction of people would be very different.

This is my read of the situation but I get it that others have their own interpretations. I always say that as the audience we see the 360 degrees that characters don't and we tend to forget that they don't see other people's motivations or intentions as clearly or as deeply as we do.

I want to point something out here. There are constant comparisons being made with the Mandaar track and I get why.

Some people were upset with the way her character was bashed. The thing is, not everyone on the forum bashed her. Some defended her, some remained neutral, some silent. I know it's not possible to keep track of what certain members said in that track vs. now but by generalizing that Pallavi was bashed then so why is Raghav being defended now or vice versa, a lot of people are hurting the feelings of those who never said anything bad about Pallavi or Raghav.

I know everyone has the right to their opinion here but it's an observation of mine that blanket statements like this are being made since this track started.

@TM I really appreciate you making this post to counter your post from yesterday and I agree that it's a lot nicer to watch the entire track play out and see how things turn out instead of reacting at the end of each episode. The entire narrative end to end has a different feel. Imagine if you were binge watching the show, you'd see the entire track and get a different feel that the current daily approach.

Thanks for speaking up and showing openness to sit back and let the story play out. I hope your viewing experienced will be more pleasant this way. 🤗

Exactly! I agree hundred percent with you. That Veer Zara angle... precisely that. I had thought about drawing that parallel but honestly I was a bit scared how it will be taken. 🤣

The problem what I think here is we kinda excommunicate the leads and expect them to stay in a bubble. They can't have any other emotions or any other relationship with anyone except each other. Or people would come with knives telling cheaters. I am weirded out by Esha right now coz what she did was wrong.. Whatever her intentions might have been.. but priorly I liked her. I mean.. she looked quite a level headed person. But the MF here had started bashing her head on.. even before this track.

It was like how dare she harbour feelings for a married man. Blah blah blah... 😑 🙄

Originally posted by: inlieu

I want to point something out here. There are constant comparisons being made with the Mandaar track and I get why.

Some people were upset with the way her character was bashed. The thing is, not everyone on the forum bashed her. Some defended her, some remained neutral, some silent. I know it's not possible to keep track of what certain members said in that track vs. now but by generalizing that Pallavi was bashed then so why is Raghav being defended now or vice versa, a lot of people are hurting the feelings of those who never said anything bad about Pallavi or Raghav.

I know everyone has the right to their opinion here but it's an observation of mine that blanket statements like this are being made since this track started.

@TM I really appreciate you making this post to counter your post from yesterday and I agree that it's a lot nicer to watch the entire track play out and see how things turn out instead of reacting at the end of each episode. The entire narrative end to end has a different feel. Imagine if you were binge watching the show, you'd see the entire track and get a different feel that the current daily approach.

Thanks for speaking up and showing openness to sit back and let the story play out. I hope your viewing experienced will be more pleasant this way. 🤗

Thanks a lot for supporting me. I was really mad at myself for lashing out yesterday even before I saw the episode. All thanks to the twitterati..

I have never bashed either Raghav or Pallavi before and I don't intend to do that any time soon. Its just that as a woman I was outraged. But later I flipped their genders and saw the marked difference in opinion clearly. That kinda opened my mind.

Now, I am kinda glad I watched the episode... 🤣

Sammy... Isn't challenging and drinking arepart of RR characteristics if we see that way?? He used to play challenge challenge game all the time with Pallavi.. I believe he doesn't want to hold any more grudge on the ex and hence had a party with her. Technically he should have maintained distance from ex but when he heard of that sob story, he gave her a pass and wanted to let that go. Only issue i see here with RR is drinking out of senses and passing out in that very room for which he is accountable..

How is passing out his fault? If accepting the challenge wasn't...? I mean if you get sloshed, you'll pass out... right? 🤣

Though I agree with your point about accepting the challenge. That was a good observation...

Point is a hard drinker like Raghav..how come got drunk enough to pass out with what five to six pegs? Loopholes much makers? 🤣

Originally posted by: Isamreen

R was a straightforward, honest and truthful character who owned up truth as well as his mistakes.

I don't know about this. I think RR is ok with being who he is with people he doesn't fear loosing. He seems like someone who isn't very good at communicating. He hid about the diamonds and he's hiding about this too. But being affected by ex is totally not him.