Virat is manipulating here or lying - Page 4

Originally posted by: Machiavelique

Her father just died and that too saving him. Her outburst was understandable. It's human nature to resent that person. But Sai is a much bigger person to let that event go , she didn't even bring it in one their confrontations where virat keeps talking about his ehsaans.

Anyway, let's talk about the current context. He denied his past and has no boundaries where pakhi is concerned.

What bigger person ? Did virat killed KJ ? She is not a person who let go things , it was kale kaka who told her virat not responsible of KJ death if KJ had listen to virat he would had been alive , she vow to get virat arrested .

She dint brought it coz she know virat dint begged KJ for it , it was KJ's decision , she herself standing alive coz of virat

Who said sai dint made virat remind of her only one ehsaan to virat , she also reminded him that she saved him from Vittal Mane's fake case.

So it's equal now on both side dono ne ek dusre ko ek dusre pe kiye favour yaad dila diye.

A lie is a lie however strong one tries to cover it up connecting it to his present state of mind. Sai doesn’t know telepathy to directly jump inside his heart and understand that once he had feelings and now he had no feelings. And he is accusing her of saying jhoot.

Originally posted by: jane_austen

I guess you can say that he was lying regarding the fact that he made vaada to Pakhi and they had fallen in love etc

But he didn't lie regarding his current feelings for Pakhi (non-existent) while Sai believes he suppresses his love for Pakkhi.

I think I saw Neil's SBS segment on this scene. I'll try to use the same words Neil used. He said that Virat has actually moved on , and he thinks Sai would have sensed it. So Sai throwing these questions at him is piercing his soul. I really don't understand this point per se. So opinions and explanations are welcome...

When I say he is lying.. I am questioning his silence on Sai's question about is Pakhi not the same girl for whom you denied me the rights of a husband.. If you see the marriage episodes.. You would understand what made Sai the first time that she will leave after completing her studies.. When Virat after asking her to marry is dropping her off in his car..he asks Sai to leave after she becomes a doctor if she wants..To that Sai says..U turn le sakte hain and they ended that scene with Virat being anger.. Sai then saw Pakhi crying during his wedding and Virat giving her teary looks all throughout his phere .. SHe was convinced its Pakhi..But then again when he brought up the Waada thing during that phere..Sai's self respect made her say..I will leave after the marriage..In a way he did push her to this going on and on about the deal.. It was irritating to see him constantly repeating it.. And then the moment Sai said I will go.. He has not said it from then..So coming back to the question, Sai wanted to know who the girl was if not Pakhi and he kept mum...I dont know what was it..disappointment in Sai or something else.

I do find Virat manipulative..Two instances....his insistence on Sai to be take training from Pakhi was a manipulative one to keep both Sai and Pakhi together and he wont have to get into choosing between the two.. And teh biggest manipulation of all time was the one where he kind of insinuated that whatever work she does at home is similar to what she would do at her hostel..after the whole chilli grinding incident.. Him comparing the abuse to a challenge that she can encounter in life..

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

What bigger person ? Did virat killed KJ ? She is not a person who let go things , it was kale kaka who told her virat not responsible of KJ death if KJ had listen to virat he would had been alive , she vow to get virat arrested .

She dint brought it coz she know virat dint begged KJ for it , it was KJ's decision , she herself standing alive coz of virat

Who said sai dint made virat remind of her only one ehsaan to virat , she also reminded him that she saved him from Vittal Mane's fake case.

So it's equal now on both side dono ne ek dusre ko ek dusre pe kiye favour yaad dila diye.

It's not white and black. Any person will have resented Virat for her father's death. It's normal because virat was no-one to her at that point in time. And, she lost her father, her only family, while he was saving him.

Virat being alive is sign of her father's selflessness and let alone Virat , she didn't even mention that point to the evil family while they were pinpointing her upbringing.

Originally posted by: neeraja91

Any normal person in Sai's place will think virat loves pp. Virat told her that he was committed to someone else when they were getting married and not to have any expectations from him. She overheatd their conversation on day 1 in CN in balcony talking about the "deal" . Seeing pp-virat reactions during Sairat shaadi it was obvious to Sai what she had already guessed from before. Pp ofcourse on a daily basis shows that she cant get over virat. Virat has made a few slip up's- accusing Sai of sending pp away, saying that "pyaar-dosti" and allowing pp into their private space and get away too many times with talking rudely to Sai. Whatever Sai says to pp is in response. She didn't initiate this. So bottom line Sai is entirely right in every thing she has asked him about his relationship with pp. She questioned him very directly and he has avoided answering. He is infact trying to deny that there was ever any relationship between him and pp which is plain dishonest. First step to confrontation and solution is accepting that there was something. He is now in complete denial mode.

So true.. He if you see my previous post I have explained how he behaved during his marriage rituals which kind of made self respected girl like to say I would leave as soon as she becomes a doctor.. He has never as such spoken very harshly with Pakhi infront of Sai.. We have seen him getting angry at Pakhi when Sai was not in his sight ..but Sai has not seen that.. Sai thinks Pakhi will take care of him..Virat will let her take care of her..like she mentioned during apology unhone nahi khilaya.. unse kyu jhagra kiya aapne.. In fact during that DIG visit episode , Sai was actually thankful for taking her side infront of Pakhi..She was overwhelmed..she did not expect him to do that..However even then he had reprimanded Sai first.. and not Pakhi.. he took a u turn only when he saw Sai was leaving.. Sai knows or believes Virat loves Pakhi and Virat as such has not clearly said against it...He need not go and tell Sai..oh I love you..stay with me forever till he believes she has stopped disliking him..Butat least clear this stance.. this stance where he is so hurt of being accused of something that kind of makes him look in disbelief.. It the said words are so unbelievable and atrocious.. would it not be better to deny it at once and get done with it. Why wait for a calm talk.. They were calm the next day..why not clarify that ..because he knew the whole fight started with that argument in the room...

Originally posted by: jane_austen

Yes, very confusing. Sai clearly says in the fight "I never keep any expectations from you because I know ours is a deal marriage and you will never be able to fulfill those expectations". There can be but one meaning for it. I'm still not sure how much of this Virat has registered even now.

If you see, Sai is consistent in reminding Virat most of the time till the lunch fight that it’s a deal marriage.

she does indulge in self talk about Virat on Aai’s insistence about godu being in love, but immediately she reprimands herself and advises to concentrate on studies.

It’s like she wants it to be true but worried of the repercussions of a heartbreak.

IMO unless Virat clearly tells her that it’s not a deal marriage she is not going to move forward in this relationship.

Originally posted by: Machiavelique

Her father just died and that too saving him. Her outburst was understandable. It's human nature to resent that person. But Sai is a much bigger person to let that event go , she didn't even bring it in one their confrontations where virat keeps talking about his ehsaans.

Anyway, let's talk about the current context. He denied his past and has no boundaries where pakhi is concerned.

Sai never mentioned that his life is her ehsaan on him because she lost her lifeline because of it.. Anyway point is one would definitely hate a directly/indirectly related person.. I have lost a close one and we in my family had hated the person.. indirectly related to the death..till we came to our logical sense.. It took more than a year.. to think rationally..

Originally posted by: Machiavelique

It's not white and black. Any person will have resented Virat for her father's death. It's normal because virat was no-one to her at that point in time. And, she lost her father, her only family, while he was saving him.

Virat being alive is sign of her father's selflessness and let alone Virat , she didn't even mention that point to the evil family while they were pinpointing her upbringing.

I agree what u r saying sai was down coz of grief any Normal human being will be when someone will try to force anyone but if virat think sai don't like him as a person then it's sai who made him believe .

Read few posts saying Virat has fear of rejection..I can't understand his fear..what is he afraid of...he has only 2 things to do:

first- tell Sai that he has moved on from Pakhi and he feels guilty because according to him he asked Pakhi to marry Samrat even though she was ready to call off the wedding (we audience know that was not the case but Virat doesn't know) and now Samrat is MIA, pakhi is lonely. He feels sorry and responsible for her present state.

Second- he wants to give his marriage a fair chance.

For the second part, I can understand he is afraid that Sai may reject his advances but what is stopping him from saying the first point loud and clear to Sai. anger.

Is he afraid that Sai will judge him as a weak person who couldn't fight his family for his love?

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

I agree what u r saying sai was down coz of grief any Normal human being will be when someone will try to force anyone but if virat think sai don't like him as a person then it's sai who made him believe .

I agree its Sai who has made him believe so.. But Virat does believe in actions also ..like he said..tumhe dikhta kyu nahi..So Sai taking his blessings.. coming long long way from not taking it and being awkward while taking during marriage rituals....taking it with so much heartfelt emotions..telling him that it would not have happened without him...did it not show him that she does not hate him? Sai agreeing to stay back in the room when he says I want you to.. Sai agreeing to go to the trip when he says I want you to come.. Sai calling the DIG and coming with food at 2:30 in the night all alone..because she was worried for him.. Does it not show that she surely does not dislikes him..if not likes him..

Now those were the ones before this shot..Coming to the recent one..Sai worrying about him not eating food during the apology ..even when she was so angry..denying to have food when he said he wont have.. questioning Pakhi on calling Virat dhokhebaaz..because she genuinely felt bad.. Calling out the family for talking rubbish about her husband..getting him a gift and calling him her lucky charm..not just anything else..her lucky charm....using his gifted pen for using her daily work... were these not actions enough to understand that she does not dislike him.. If we are expecting Sai to understand his actions ignoring the words spoken/unspoken by him..same should be the case with Virat..

Both are flawed characters.. both at fault of what their relationship is as of now..