Jodha Akbar 34-36: Shaahi Shaadi - Page 11

Originally posted by: devkidmd

Well, scientists are researching Dinos that roamed the earth millions and millions of years ago (and they just left us some fossils not written material). We are talking about something that happened a mere 500 years back.

So it is not impossible just a little more legwork than most of us have the time or inclination to put in.

Some things may be lost in translation but there is enough material to cross check facts if one wants to.

As for personal relations, obviously one cannot know for certain but there is enough out there to at least make an educated guess.

Devki

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

But then that is exactly where science is different from history and social patterns of the society and matters of the heart and personal feelings and inclinations.

Atoms were atoms even millions of years ago. But society has evolved at dramatic speed. History is all a matter of how the writer views it. And personal feelings and thoughts - more of a guesswork. Interpreting the minds of the likes of Akbar is next to impossible.

Guesses are guesses, educated or not. There is enough to say that Akbar gave ALL his Hindu wives freedom to practice their religion. There is enough to say that he was open to all religions. But whether they were carefully crafted political moves or truly extremely liberal views is something only Akbar knows. There is enough to say that Jodha held a special place in Akbar's life and court. But why take it to 'first and last love' levels

exactly sandhya! its hard to believe that jodha was first and last love and if that was the case he would have never married after her, i think Akbar was extremely far sighted and an intelligent man he knew what exactly he was doing and he also gave powers as per individual's capabilities..now look at the 9 gems they were gems because of their capabilities in their respective fields, similarly each khaas begum would have had a special place in Akbar's heart for different reasons, one might be a good adviser, the other bachpan ki saathi and third great looking, intelligent and loyal..and so forth!

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

interesting discussions on what might have happened in reality! sometimes i think it would be so nice to know the truth but to dig out the treasure almost 500 years ago is next to impossible!..the translation from persian script to english or hindi might have changed some facts based on individual interpretations and all that original treasure must be somewhere well kept in libraries or museums! who will ever know about akbar's personal relations..as the harem was a very secretive place and whatever happened there how can an outsider know? i think most of them are just speculations but shyamala as you said analyzing what ekta dished out in her initial episodes is no less than a roller coaster ride😉

Totally agree - History is always open to interpretation. Unilateral declarations can be done by anyone but only to themselves.

Akbar seems to have had a special relationship with Salima too. There is not much ado about this as there is nothing exciting. No child, his first cousin , both Mughals. But to me even this sounds very special. To treat your maternal cousin with so much respect that she was asked to handle court is a proof that he spotted different abilities in people. The most attractive quality to me about Akbar is his picking up men/women for jobs. Jahangir could not even replicate the system whereas Akbar created navratnas to excel in all of these fields.

Where is it? They never show it, and strangest of all, not even the normal sensual attraction for a very handsome and desirable man. They never show Jodha fighting either attraction.


Akka - in the above text of yours, I have to remind you that Jodha Matha does not have these feelings - The foremost things in her mind are praja, Amer, Rajaneeti's rightness per her, Well being of subjects at the cost of her/ her family etc. She is a supremely sacrificial lady who knows talwar baazi, educated on Arth Shastra, sings, dances(!) , does puja , puts rangoli and can do spice trade. But silly issues like attraction to an extremely handsome emperor is for lesser mortals and not for Jodha matha of EK.

I mean REEL Jodha only. 😉 😆

But there are two problems with your appealing theory, or rather proposal.


I do not know what the Prithviraj Raso has to do with Jodha's perceptions of Jalal, unless you assume that she clubbed him with Mohammed Ghori as a bloodthirsty monster who destroyed her hero. I am not going into the far too mahaan follies of Prithviraj in letting Ghori off the first time, for that would derail my comments here. You might even be right in the clubbing together assumption, for that is what the CVs themselves seemed to be doing in the first 3 episodes! But for Jodha to believe that deception and betrayal was a Mughal-Afghan monopoly, she would have to forget Jaichand, would she not?


No, the real problem is that Jodha's frailties are not acknowledged as such by the script.They are simply plonked in and her mahaanta continues unchallenged.


The second is that after the face in the water, and face she sees with her eyes closed fantasies in the palace in Amer, Jodha is never shown being troubled, or pulled two ways, by her unspoken attraction to the face in the water. In fact that dreamy obsession is not even shown later, when they are both admittedly in love with each other. It is as if it was forgotten, and that was one of the loveliest leit motifs in the whole story!

So, for anything like the very attractive option you propose to materialise, you would have to rewrite the whole of Jodha, 1,2 or whatever. And if one was to do that, there is a lot more that I would want changed!

But there are two problems with your appealing theory, or rather proposal.

Akka - My browser behaving weird - But above is your response to one of the readers.

Please allow me to give you a long tight 🤗 for this one.

Brilliant arguments, Precise data points and what a flow of language to drive the point.

I am loving your bit about CV's not making a reference at all to that face across pond/water that seemed to trouble Jodha. I think CV's decided to forego this angle as there will need to be more scenes to substantiate it(Not the 2 feet ones). 😉 - So the problem is multi-fold you see. 😆 - But this would have a fantastic flashback to tie the epic love story that was promised but never delivered.

Originally posted by: devkidmd

PS: as for Jodha: I can still understand her response to this whole thing however stupid, crazy, selfish, ungraceful, it might have been.😉

Great Job Devki,

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

So can i. It was most natural under the circumstances. What i can't stand is the ott mahaanta speeches where there are declarations of mahaan tyaag mahaan desh prem and mahaan thoughts.

Had Jodha been kept apart from bhaashans and mahaanta she would have been a lovely character perhaps.

Preeti, I wanted to write all that you have written but my post was getting too long. What you have said adds so much more value to what I was trying to say.