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Back to this thread, question to the mods: are we allowed to discuss NRC & NPR here, or does it have to be restricted to just CAA?
They can be discussed here.
Back to this thread, question to the mods: are we allowed to discuss NRC & NPR here, or does it have to be restricted to just CAA?
They can be discussed here.
I'll hold on the champagne until those illegal Rohingyas and Bangladeshis are actually deported to either Bangladesh, Burma or any other country (preferably islamic, like Kuwait or Qatar)
Maybe then they can move Paki Hindus into those Rohingya flats in Delhi & Jammu
I like your straightforwardness; you don't sugarcoat anything! I am sure you are aware that you will be labeled by some as far-right!
Question: why are there still millions of Hindus in Pakistan? Instead of illegally migrating to India when it hits the fan, why not start the process now and apply for asylum legally? What's their compulsion in staying back?
Originally posted by: K.Universe.
I like your straightforwardness; you don't sugarcoat anything! I am sure you are aware that you will be labeled by some as far-right!
Question: why are there still millions of Hindus in Pakistan? Instead of illegally migrating to India when it hits the fan, why not start the process now and apply for asylum legally? What's their compulsion in staying back?
Ideologically, I am far-right, although that brush gets painted on a lot of people who are in fact centrist or moderate
I heard Dr Omendra Ratnu once say that there are some 4 million Hindus in Pakistan, and that it's urgent to get them out ASAP since all their girls are at risk of being trafficked in lj cases. They live in remote parts of Sind and therefore, it's not easy to get to the Indian High Commission in Islamabad to get visas. In fact, I suspect that even getting normal Paki passports would be like pulling teeth: they'd have to get to a major city and apply for it, and I'm not sure that officials would simply treat it as routine rather than interrogate them on why they need a passport, blah blah blah
That's why logistically, it's not possible for them to apply legally to India for citizenship sitting in Pakistan, the way it might be for people in Bhutan or Sri Lanka. As for their compulsion in staying back, 2 years ago, some 1,500 Hindus returned to Pakistan b'cos the wait in Jodhpur for citizenship was too long: CAA rules hadn't been laid out until last week!
Vrish: you do make some valid points. I am not able to reply to any post for some reason, hence and have addressed this post to you.
With the current BJP the government, I think it needs to be remembered that India was not really in a powerful position due to a struggling economy and couldn’t resist pressure from external sources. To govern a country with a huge (some unruly) population with divergent viewpoints and as diverse as India, undo the socialist mess and congress corruption from previous decades…it takes time and effort to galvanize the people and make sure that you continue to win elections so that the growth trajectory of India can be maintained, given that the rag tag opposition and leftists are always there to bring India down. Once India grows more and more powerful economically, it will be able to withstand pressure from external sources. That is why the coming elections are critical.
Also India is a democratic country. Because of this, to get anything done, there is a time consuming process and the government is held accountable either by the media, opposition or institutions. Had it been something akin to the Chinese government style, growth in India would be exponential in a matter of few years .
Am just sharing my two cents.
Originally posted by: Sorrento
Vrish: you do make some valid points. I am not able to reply to any post for some reason, hence and have addressed this post to you.
With the current BJP the government, I think it needs to be remembered that India was not really in a powerful position due to a struggling economy and couldn’t resist pressure from external sources. To govern a country with a huge (some unruly) population with divergent viewpoints and as diverse as India, undo the socialist mess and congress corruption from previous decades…it takes time and effort to galvanize the people and make sure that you continue to win elections so that the growth trajectory of India can be maintained, given that the rag tag opposition and leftists are always there to bring India down. Once India grows more and more powerful economically, it will be able to withstand pressure from external sources. That is why the coming elections are critical.
Also India is a democratic country. Because of this, to get anything done, there is a time consuming process and the government is held accountable either by the media, opposition or institutions. Had it been something akin to the Chinese government style, growth in India would be exponential in a matter of few years .Am just sharing my two cents.
Well, BJP supporters keep reminding us that India is the world's 4th or 5th largest economy. This actually was there when Trump was president, when Biden took over, India should logically have become even stronger, since the first things that Biden did was to start dismantling the US economy. Also, India did stand up to the US when it came to its relations w/ Russia, although it worked out a schedule on which they'd get off Iran
The thing that astounded people during the Nupur Sharma fiasco was that the country that stood up to the likes of the US suddenly started groveling before Qatar, a tinpot sheikhdom that just a few years ago was ganged up by all its moderate neighbors - Emirates, Bahrein, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. India could have seized the opportunity to isolate Qatar and allying w/ the above 4 Arab countries. Instead, India grovelled, and one theory is that Adani has too much 💰 tied up there. Whatever the reason, the way India behaved before its adversaries, or allies of its enemy Pakistan, was disgraceful. There was Qatar, there was India sending aid to Turkey after their earthquake even though Turkey ganged up w/ Pakistan against India. Most recently, India sent aid to Hamas after October 7th and kept either voting against Israel, or abstaining. This government's behavior on the world stage is downright embarrassing
Narrowing in close to our neighbors, we have, since Galwan, lost territory to China in skirmishes in both Ladakh and Arunachal. So much so that Bhutan, which previously only dealt w/ India, now has a channel of communication open w/ Beijing. Then there is Bangladesh. The reason we have CAA is that Bangladeshi Hindus are constantly persecuted, but the BJP government doesn't say a word against them. Instead, they are busy giving them energy from Assam, giving them trains & other such gifts. But not a word on either the way Hindus are treated in Bangladesh, nor on repatriating Bangladeshis illegally in India. That's why we have record highs of Rohingyas and Bangladeshi muslims in various cities in India, including in Devbhoomi and Jammu. Those are the people who routinely riot during Hindu festivals whenever Hindu processions pass through "their areas". Oh, and this week, when some foreign muslim students did namaz on the road and some Hindu students protested, the Hindu students were the ones who were blindfolded and arrested
No, this party has totally exposed itself as being virulently anti-Hindu. It doesn't think Hinduism is a religion, and thinks that Hindus are a captive vote bank that can be exploited whenever something like the attack on a Hindu shopkeeper happens in Bangalore, but counts on people turning a blind eye when something else happens in Gujarat, b'cos.... who else will you vote for? It wouldn't have done CAA either, except that the Supreme Court was breathing heavily over the Electoral Bonds, and so wanted a media distraction. So this was it. Otherwise, this would have happened in 2019 itself
Many Hindus themselves want a government that is growth oriented and don’t want a government that is overly focused on religious issues. An extreme right wing government would not be able to win elections. I disagree with your comment when you say this government is virulently anti Hindu. There are many who will say the opposite.
Originally posted by: Sorrento
Many Hindus themselves want a government that is growth oriented and don’t want a government that is overly focused on religious issues. An extreme right wing government would not be able to win elections. I disagree with your comment when you say this government is virulently anti Hindu. There are many who will say the opposite.
The people who say the opposite are the ones who hate Hindus anyway, & are in cahoots w/ the secular parties. Here's a simple test: the BJP routinely tells muslims about the things they've done exclusively for them: special tuitions for IAS/IPS, haj house subsidies, increasing reservation levels in various services for muslims,... They have some 300 such schemes. Can one name even one scheme that the BJP has designed just for Hindus, the way they've done other schemes just for muslims? (And no, schemes for just a few castes or tribes don't count)
Once upon a time, the BJP used to rant against that, which is one of the myriad reasons that they came to power. Today, they've morphed into this century's edition of Weepy Singh and Mulayam Singh Yadav
Your comments that people who say the opposite are in cahoots with the secular parties and hate Hindus are broad and sweeping. People want growth. I repeat, an extreme right wing government will not be able to win elections. And the result then is a combination of Khichdi government. It’s ok to criticize but do we have a better alternative? I believe this government deserves kudos for what it has delivered given the diversity and divisive politics of India. It is popular with Hindus. Sure things could be better but India has come a long way from the days of the Congress raj.
Thanks for the discussion.
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