Since there's a warning, I won't venture to present my whole unadulterated views.😃 I supported it then, don't regret it now, the rest you can guess.
Originally posted by: raksha.l
I respect such clear thoughts..You have said everything that you would have liked to say in these 2 lines👏
Originally posted by: raksha.l
1.Do you support the incident, condemn it or dont care about it?
no i was against it.bcoz it was not done with the intention of betterment of hindus or their rights or whtever which BJP tried to project but just to earn votes irrespective of the consequences and did not even take the responsibility of the riots after that.
2.What were your feelings about the incident at that point of time?some people said better make a hospital or so in that place and i was supporting along with my family.
3.What do you feel today about it?same as i did then.
4.Some argued that it brought back all the Hindus together..Do you agree??i dont knw and if u r a hindu or any religion then u r bond by that u dont need this type of incidents.hindus r the aboriginals of india
5.Is it important to claim back all the Hindu temples that are now under the Islamic structures?
then will have to claim back all the monuments which were destroyed by the british also. should divert ur energies on more important things from which the whole country as a whole should benefit.
6.Did BJP get benifitted because of this or did it work against?
their intention was to benefitted from it and they did certainly.
7.Congress obviously condemned the act, but later when Shri.P.V.Narasimha Rao became the PM, he also did not take any action against the possible offenders, why???Do you think he was secretly supporting the incident, or he also did not want to lose the Hindu Vote Bank?there had already been so much destruction that there was no need to distrub all that.
Note:Since religion is obviously one of the points here, I suggest we refrain from making any strong, hurting statements...I was able to post this topic only because I trust my DM friends to be sensible enough to know where to draw a line...Thank You😃
Cheers,
Raksha😃
Great post Raksha.
Difficult to answer whether I condemned it or not. Breaking of any religious structure being used for religious purposes or community purposes is wrong, but in this case, this was a old forgotten monument used by none. It was more symbolic of changing times, it was symbolic of a change in the "tolerant" hindu. Was this change good or bad, difficult to concise in a small post, for the factors and facts involved are voluminous and complex and intricately interwoven.
I did not condemn the act then, I condemn the tamasha they have now made it to be.
Did it bring the hindus together? In some ways, for the vote bank, it did, in some parts of India. The other minorities enjoyed the advantage of "vote bank" politically, which was not so with hindus. In some parts of India, a Hindu vote bank was formed. In a larger sense, maybe not, because it widened the chasm and accelerated the growth of religious intolerance in the country.
Structures which were demolished and desecrated so many years back, there is really no sense in reclaiming them back. It was a place of worship earlier, ti is a place fo worship now.
BJP definitely benefitted from this act. In many parts of India, where the voice of the average Indian was dimmed because of the aggresive shout of the minority community, these average citizens found a loud speaker to vent their frustrations. BJP captured or tried to capture this vote bank. Did they manage to retain the vote back? Answer is possibly a NO.
PVR and everyone else want to so play it safe. Vote Bank matters. Every day, the population of Bangla Desh refugees in Mumbai is increasing. But it is welcomed by the Political parties for these become fixed / permanent vote banks.
The average Indian remains confused, in my opinion. While he does want to lash out and fight and claim his right, he does not want to do so at the cost of others and this dilemma is what the political parties prey on. It matters not if the Indian is hindu or muslim. It is this confusion again, which perhaps, create a Babri Masjid, or a Mumbai riot, a Godhra or a Best Bakery. Sometimes, it also creates the 93 blasts.
to my mind, this is one of the best posts i've seen on IF. period! very very well articulated and that too on a topic that is very hard to think through and not be confused about. very real, without any of the light-weight niceties. one to keep.
ps. i have a bit of a different slant here but i just had to commend the writer for how she put it across...
Originally posted by: mermaid_QT
& that too with such CLASS 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Kudos to soumya. 👏👏👏
ditto. kudos to soumya
Yes, I am talking about the reconstruction of the Ram temple which is more famously called the demolition of Babri Masjid😃,on Dec26 1992
I think I was in 7th grade when this incident happened and I remember feeling ecstatic about it...Some of the classmates(Hindus) did not like it at all and we argued argued and argued ...Well, we were not so matured to be politically correct etc at that point of time..So words flew accross like daggers and whoever got killed got killed..
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Raksha Di... The debate is still on... 😃 I remember doing the same atleast 10 years later.... (thats 2002 onwards)
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Today when I think back, I dont feel so strongly about it..I am not even sure why I felt like that at that point of time...Yeah, perhaps family influence...In fact I am confused if it was really a genuinely emotional thing that happened or merely a political stunt to garner the Hindu Votes...Sometimes I even feel that these kinds of things are mindless, when so many people are dying without food, shelter and clothing, all those people could think of was religion and a temple ?
After that, my family has permanently become BJP supporters, (except my grandfather of course, who is a freedom fighter and still is under the illusion that Congress is nothing but Indian National Congress...😆...)And I think its true for most of the Hindu families.. [/quote]
I can see where ur coming from.... 😃 My family is an assortment of people who are strong leftists to my Mom n a few others who strongly support the BJP to my grandmom who supports Mamata Bannerjee... But me... Well... I do not support anyone... I am not pro BJP... But Yea I am anti Congress... 😆😆
1.Do you support the incident, condemn it or dont care about it?
I completely condemn it. Yes its true that the demolished Masjid was a defunct one but tht does not change anything. I think Hindus being the majority community have a greater responsibility towards the other communities. And theres been no archaeological proof of a Ram temple being situated there. In fact some reports say there was a Jain situated there. All that apart... I dont understand something... The same people who wouldnt eat or socialise with people of other communities saying their "Dharma" will be Bhrasht (Destroyed) do not mind breaking someone else's place to worship to build their own!! Now is that hypocirsy or what!!!!
2.What were your feelings about the incident at that point of time?
I never supported it... Was and still am disgusted abt the incident though now I understand where the BJP and te RSS were comign from... I dont hate them as much as used to earlier....
3.What do you feel today about it?
It still disgusts me... Cuz sans the Babri Masjid incident... The BJP has done a lot of good for the nation
4.Some argued that it brought back all the Hindus together..Do you agree??
No... Its very very sad that Hidus being the majority community have to persecute a minority community to strengthen their mutual bonds.... The whole idea just doesnt make much sense to me
5.Is it important to claim back all the Hindu temples that are now under the Islamic structures?
No... The past is past... First of all there is no archaeological proof... Secondly we'd be doing an Israel who threw the Palestinians out of their homes saying *this was our land a long time a ago* .... Its just not done... We cannot punish our fellow citizens for what Babar or Ghauri did...
6.Did BJP get benifitted because of this or did it work against?
Unfortunately yes... It did win the support of a few staunch Hindus.... But not for long.... u cannot keep a right wing policy as ur goal.... Once ur in power u have to adopt a centrist view... And once the BJP did tht they lost support..
The Best thing to do is to win people's support with a moderate stand so tht u can sustain it for long once ur in power...
7.Congress obviously condemned the act, but later when Shri.P.V.Narasimha Rao became the PM, he also did not take any action against the possible offenders, why???Do you think he was secretly supporting the incident, or he also did not want to lose the Hindu Vote Bank?
A little bit of both.... Narasimha Rao has been accused in the past of supporting the demolition...
Since there's a warning, I won't venture to present my whole unadulterated views.😃 I supported it then, don't regret it now, the rest you can guess.
Your views are SMART souro ji!😊
1.Do you support the incident, condemn it or dont care about it?
Condemn it, it was wrong and should not have happened. They could have built a grand temple in front of the mosque, or atleast should have waited for Court's ruling.
2.What were your feelings about the incident at that point of time?
I had no idea about it then, I was in 8th std then.
3.What do you feel today about it?
Yahi ki it shouldn't have happened, it lead to riots which resulted in scores of innocent people getting murdered. But it wasn't without +ves, it was a turning point in Modern India's history, finally there was a nationalist party who could take on and stand up to Congress. Congress era was finally over (Thank God!). And it also brought to notice the blatant minority appeasement politics.
4.Some argued that it brought back all the Hindus together..Do you agree??
True to a certain extent, it brought Hindu sense of idendity on the forefront.
5.Is it important to claim back all the Hindu temples that are now under the Islamic structures?
No, bec'se it would be impossible to do that and most imp waste of time and energy which should rather be spent on more pressing things. Jo ho gaya so ho gayaa, gade murde ukhadne se koi faayda nahin. Lekin, we must stop the kind of minority appeasement preparated by our "secular" brigade...
6.Did BJP get benifitted because of this or did it work against?
Yes, they benefitted immensly, from 2 seats in 1984 to the biggest party (183 seats) in 1999 elections...everyone wanted to stop BJP by hook or crook.
7.Congress obviously condemned the act, but later when Shri.P.V.Narasimha Rao became the PM, he also did not take any action against the possible offenders, why???Do you think he was secretly supporting the incident, or he also did not want to lose the Hindu Vote Bank?
PVNR did not take any "action" against the "offenders" as...
1) doing so would have created serious law and order problems.
2) he had no moral authority to do anything since Congress Party itself unlocked the doors of the mosque. And not to mention the allegations that Central Govt didn't do anything to stop demolition, it sat like mute spectator.
3) he did not want to lose Hindu votes.
4) he was too laid back, he is believed to have said "no action is also an action" or something like that...😆
Originally posted by: SolidSnake
1.Do you support the incident, condemn it or dont care about it?
Condemn it, it was wrong and should not have happened. They could have built a grand temple in front of the mosque, or atleast should have waited for Court's ruling.
😆😆😆@Court ruling...Please excuse me, but I had to laugh...I am glad that you trust in our judiciary system
2.What were your feelings about the incident at that point of time?
I had no idea about it then, I was in 8th std then.
Hmm,, but were you in India only that time???Because with the kind of hungama and the riots that happened after that, I thought no one could have missed it...I was 12 year old, but felt so stressed out😆 with what was happening around
3.What do you feel today about it?
Yahi ki it shouldn't have happened, it lead to riots which resulted in scores of innocent people getting murdered. But it wasn't without +ves, it was a turning point in Modern India's history, finally there was a nationalist party who could take on and stand up to Congress. Congress era was finally over (Thank God!). And it also brought to notice the blatant minority appeasement politics.
4.Some argued that it brought back all the Hindus together..Do you agree??
True to a certain extent, it brought Hindu sense of idendity on the forefront.
5.Is it important to claim back all the Hindu temples that are now under the Islamic structures?
No, bec'se it would be impossible to do that and most imp waste of time and energy which should rather be spent on more pressing things. Jo ho gaya so ho gayaa, gade murde ukhadne se koi faayda nahin. Lekin, we must stop the kind of minority appeasement preparated by our "secular" brigade...
6.Did BJP get benifitted because of this or did it work against?
Yes, they benefitted immensly, from 2 seats in 1984 to the biggest party (183 seats) in 1999 elections...everyone wanted to stop BJP by hook or crook.
7.Congress obviously condemned the act, but later when Shri.P.V.Narasimha Rao became the PM, he also did not take any action against the possible offenders, why???Do you think he was secretly supporting the incident, or he also did not want to lose the Hindu Vote Bank?
PVNR did not take any "action" against the "offenders" as...
1) doing so would have created serious law and order problems.
2) he had no moral authority to do anything since Congress Party itself unlocked the doors of the mosque. And not to mention the allegations that Central Govt didn't do anything to stop demolition, it sat like mute spectator.
3) he did not want to lose Hindu votes.
4) he was too laid back, he is believed to have said "no action is also an action" or something like that...😆
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