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Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

I know Sonam got a lot of flack for that but I think that's true more often than not. More beautiful actresses (and this applies to actors too) are often dismissed as only having relevance for how they look onscreen and not for their talent. Some critics seem to go out of their way to target more aesthetically beautiful actors by dismissing them as non-actresses or just as stars.

This is true for Aishwarya based on the reactions in this forum. This was true for Joan Crawford in classic Hollywood as well.

It was true for Madhuri Dixit.

Originally posted by: snatch

meryl streep

She is not considered a beauty and never has been. Pretty in a plain way at best. In fact, her early career she was getting rejected for roles because she was not considered sexy or beautiful. She said directors would say this to her face.

Originally posted by: VimalPanMasala

It was true for Madhuri Dixit.

She's another good example because I see a lot of people dismiss her as an actress and claim she's only a dancer. That her onscreen appeal was only for her clothes and dancing and nothing else.

And interestingly enough, many of her detractors are the people who say Sridevi was a real actress in comparison but also diss Sridevi as not being a great beauty.

Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

She is not considered a beauty and never has been. Pretty in a plain way at best. In fact, her early career she was getting rejected for roles because she was not considered sexy or beautiful. She said directors would say this to her face.

there are numerous actresses. is it even necessary to name them ? jenifer connelly, julia roberts, for that matter natalie protman, jennifer lawrence, roonie mara they all are gorgeous. i can name atleast 50 of them.

Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

She's another good example because I see a lot of people dismiss her as an actress and claim she's only a dancer. That her onscreen appeal was only for her clothes and dancing and nothing else.

And interestingly enough, many of her detractors are the people who say Sridevi was a real actress in comparison but also diss Sridevi as not being a great beauty.

Madhuri chose safe roles compared to her contemporaries, even Rekha and Meenakshi did challenging roles. Forget others, Rekha was awful at the beginning (whereas other actresses generally were decent at debut) but miraculously improved and showed that consistency.

Madhuri's issue is that she did well at her peak (and acted better than many of her male stars at the time - really), but did not bother to hone her acting skill besides copying/imitating Sucharita Sen, and so regressed post-Devdas.

Devdas was her strength ie silent performance focused on her features. The others showed some growth.

But Sonam's comment rings true because most people consider her like a mediocre level actress when that is not the case. The Khans did the same thing as Madhuri, neither Salman, nor Shah Rukh, nor Aamir experimented when they hit their peak with their skill and relied on themselves. (Swades as a film is good but SRK did not try any new acting techniques consistently). Eventually that collapses.

Perhaps Aamir will try again from scratch because he has invented before.

I don't care for Ranbir or Ranveer but I have to applaud them that they work on their weaknesses. Ranveer worked on his weaknesses until his bad BO record hit him, and Ranbir is trying to iron out his strange diction.

Originally posted by: snatch

so brando deniro pacino mery streep kate winslet all are not good actors ? dicaprio too is considered a fantastic actor. johnny depp, mccounaghey. there is no need of mentioning them either.

hrithik roshan the so called indian greek god whenever he acted well got all the accolades.

aishwarya rai was never a good actress. at best she did okay in some films.

Marlon Brando was only attractive in his early years. He got fat very early on and let himself go. Joan Crawford said it best that for his movie Last Tango in Paris, nobody wanted to see a fat naked Marlon Brando on the big screen.

Kate Winslet was repeatedly shamed when she debuted in the late 90s in Hollywood for her size. She was constantly told she was too fat or plump especially after Titanic launched her as a global star. She talks very candidly about it now about how unfair the media was to her. Her daughter recently appeared in a TV movie with her and she looks a lot like the mother but she's also not skinny at all. Kate said she made sure to bring up her daughter to love herself and her weight and not to starve herself.

Depp was very attractive in his youth but he also became famous because he took roles that hid him in heavy makeup and costume and were meant to not be sexually desirable. I don't see people lusting over him in Edward Scissorhands, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Sweeney Todd, Dark Shadows, etc. minus hardcore fans. And even then, his detractors claim he is not a good actor and can only play OTT eccentric characters.

Matthew McConaughey was considered a pretty boy in his early movies. It took him a long time to develop a reputation as a serious actor and only after he became older and his looks were not as soft anymore.

I don't consider DiCaprio a good actor at all. His babyface means he is miscast in so many roles like when he played the head of the FBI.

Handsome actors also got criticized for being too beautiful and not being strong actors, but actresses in general have it worse. Society in any country finds it more permissible to dismiss a woman as only being important for her beauty and not having any other talents. Remember when there was some awards show or function where each actress was given a description to showcase their special talent and Aishwarya was only referred to as beautiful and she became angry because she felt it was reductive to only note her looks.

I remember some people said about Hrithik, after several of his films flopped after his debut, that he was ao one-hit wonder and could only dance. That's the reason why he took roles like Koi Mil Giya which was considered very brave of him back then, because he toned down his looks so he wouldn't appear to be the Greek god.

Omg these people. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Making such statements is more detrimental to these talentless nepo kids.

Originally posted by: snatch

there are numerous actresses. is it even necessary to name them ? jenifer connelly, julia roberts, for that matter natalie protman, jennifer lawrence, roonie mara they all are gorgeous. i can name atleast 50 of them.

And pretty much all of these get dismissed as only being beautiful especially if you follow Film Twitter or social media.

Natalie Portman regularly gets dismissed online for being a horrible actress who now has lost her looks. It's not just the Star Wars movies. People remember that her Oscar for Black Swan involved the film not crediting the real ballet dancer who did most of the ballet scenes.

Jennifer Lawrence is considered a joke. Not beautiful (just sexy) but not a good actress. Her career was from sleeping with Harvey Weinstein which is why she got all these high-profile roles and had a meteoric rise in Hollywood. Notice that her career ended once he was exposed and jailed and she's irrelevant now. Her Oscar win is considered one of the biggest jokes online.

Julia Roberts is basically the HW version of Madhuri Dixit. Biggest star of the 90s, bigger than all the male actors around. All her films were huge hits. But her appeal was her beauty and she was not considered an actress. Other major actresses, like Kathleen Turner, said that Julia made a career out of playing the same role over and over. She's considered the prime example of someone who is more star than actress and can only play a variation of her onscreen persona. And notice that her career has also flagged now because she's aged.

Jennifer Connelly has never been considered a great actress. She's only been regarded for her beauty. Online, I've only seen male fans admire her and only her films from the 80s/90s/early 2000s when she was young. I see very little of female followings for her because they know the only thing she really offers onscreen is her looks and straight females would not be interested in that.

Originally posted by: VimalPanMasala

Madhuri chose safe roles compared to her contemporaries, even Rekha and Meenakshi did challenging roles. Forget others, Rekha was awful at the beginning (whereas other actresses generally were decent at debut) but miraculously improved and showed that consistency.

Madhuri's issue is that she did well at her peak (and acted better than many of her male stars at the time - really), but did not bother to hone her acting skill besides copying/imitating Sucharita Sen, and so regressed post-Devdas.

Devdas was her strength ie silent performance focused on her features. The others showed some growth.

But Sonam's comment rings true because most people consider her like a mediocre level actress when that is not the case. The Khans did the same thing as Madhuri, neither Salman, nor Shah Rukh, nor Aamir experimented when they hit their peak with their skill and relied on themselves. (Swades as a film is good but SRK did not try any new acting techniques consistently). Eventually that collapses.

Perhaps Aamir will try again from scratch because he has invented before.

I don't care for Ranbir or Ranveer but I have to applaud them that they work on their weaknesses. Ranveer worked on his weaknesses until his bad BO record hit him, and Ranbir is trying to iron out his strange diction.

It's also quite telling that the Khans are afforded ample enough opportunities to reinvent themselves to keep their careers going whereas actresses are very limited in the ability to bounce back with a successful comeback. Madhuri was as big a star as the Khans in the 90s but you wouldn't see that translate to box office grosses today.

Sridevi is the only one who was able to successfully make comebacks with English Vinglish and Mom. Rani could do comebacks but on much smaller levels and because she's married to the head of YRF so there's a reason all her films are YRF. Madhuri made multiple comebacks but they all failed. Kajol's comebacks have stopped working now too and she's mentioned that the only good roles for actresses of her age come from OTT and nothing on the big screen. There's a reason that all the 90s heroes are still acting in films as leads whereas the 90s actresses have all turned to OTT.