Patriotism still relevant??? - Page 5

idol worship ==> NOT spirituaity, just a gesture

Ideal worship ==> NOT patriotism, just a gesture

.Edited by ani11 - 14 years ago

Originally posted by: ani11

Worshipping and standing up for what u think is right are two different things,when one worships someone its just blind faith.

I agree ani!  But IN MY OPINION, the former (worshipping) is often an over-rated and misconstrued symbol of patriotism, whereas  patriotism need not be so confined.

.Edited by ani11 - 14 years ago

Originally posted by: ani11

Worshipping and standing up for what u think is right are two different things,when one worships someone its just blind faith.

Standing up for what you think is right means  means anyone who defames Gandhiji gets served with a defamation lawsuit

Worshipping Gandhiji as another national symbol means anyone defaming Gandhiji gets called as a unpatriotic

Huge difference between a lawsuit and a unpatrotic charge

Calling someone unpatriotic towards their own country is the biggest insult one can lobby at another person

Every national is a patriot unless found guilty under treasonary, calling someone unpatriotic based upon a thing someone said essentially amount to name calling, which is what the right wing republicans do to Democrats or anyone who opposes that idea

Shobha Dey goes out and makes fun about democracy in India, that is patriotic?

Originally posted by: ani11

I agree with u that it should not be confined but I see a disrespect to the Father of the nation as a disrespect to india and Indians.He is an Indian icon,not a common man or a politician.Even I don't agree with some of his principles because they don't work in today's world and I am living in today and I have to survive in today but that does'nt mean that i disrespect him,I respect him for what he was,what he stood for,what he did for our country ,what he gave to our country and what he means to a common Indian.

No argument put up by the young generation of today works for me when it comes to the respect of my country and its great leaders.We live in a modern world full of luxuries,we don't know what it was to be treated like a second grade citizen in ur own country,we will never experience what these people went through and we will never know what sacrifices they made in their personal lives for their country.I doubt that the young generation of today who think that they are smart,educated and mature enough to comment on these great leaders would be able to make an iota of sacrifice for their country when it comes to it. 

I would like to say that SHOWING RESPECT TO GANDHI,
while usig cuss words, not respecting the other human beings, indulging in gathering  things of pleasure and grandeur and compete for those, not treating men and women equally, practicing dowry, corrupt behaviour.. 

does not make one a patriot. 

I am sure the MINISTERS / others  involved in brutal kilings in NOIDA
wear khadi and pray to the father of the nation on October 2nd ..  In spite of the fake gestures of RESPECT, they are crooked beasts and it is people like those that make people like me QUESTION this OVER_RATED DRAMA OF SHOWING respect for leader figures.

.Edited by ani11 - 14 years ago

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

I agree ani!  But IN MY OPINION, the former (worshipping) is often an over-rated and misconstrued symbol of patriotism, whereas  patriotism need not be so confined.

Where did this ridiculous point get in the whole mix... Its one of the sure aspects of patriotism not the only aspect.... so rather than confining you should think about it as one of the facets.....

Originally posted by: sareg

Standing up for what you think is right means  means anyone who defames Gandhiji gets served with a defamation lawsuit...Where is this coming from.... father of the nation is the title given by indians out of respect not a constitutionally amended law or something... you are entangled in noodles of minor issues while you are missing the whole point

Worshipping Gandhiji as another national symbol means anyone defaming Gandhiji gets called as a unpatriotic...I dont think I can make it much simpler... Insulting a value cherished by almost everybody is in effect insulting its identity and thats a form of unpatriotic behavior but not the only one.... why would a devout hindu feel hurt when somebody walks with chappals in a temple.. there is no written law saying you cant do that... now you can argue for months about the propirety of this action and how sick people with all infections are allowed and go tangential as far as the points can carry... Gandhi had no reason to be popular outside india - who cares? But that he is known and not known but considered iconic... says much more than what you are trying to potray him as....😊

Huge difference between a lawsuit and a unpatrotic charge

Calling someone unpatriotic towards their own country is the biggest insult one can lobby at another person If I ask you to demonstrate your patriotism (i am not questioning) what exactly u think u can do... say in 3-4 bulleted points...

Every national is a patriot unless found guilty under treasonary is that only way one can be unpatriotic?, calling someone unpatriotic based upon a thing someone said essentially amount to name calling, which is what the right wing republicans do to Democrats or anyone who opposes that idea

Shobha Dey goes out and makes fun about democracy in India, that is patriotic? India being a democracy has always been questioned and new terms of "Socialism" are associated with India so De's example is out of place...😊

Because of my office work I could'nt read the posts in the topic .
I'm lost.
I will read all the posts and then reply here.
what is shobha doing here???

Jaihind,
mythili