Women are as much to blame - Tisca Chopra on sexual assault - Page 4

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Posted: 6 years ago
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LMFAO. She's such an idiot. Most business meetings happen in Hotels/ restaurants.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Every human being has the obligation to treat their fellow humans with respect and dignity.
When it comes to sexual contact clear affirmative consent is necessary. Consent means that the person be of legal age. Consent means that the person not be under the influence of alcohol or any drugs. Consent means that there is no pressure, duress or threat of any sort.

Wearing revealing clothes or even being naked is not consent. Flirting is not consent. Entering your hotel room or home is not consent. Going on a date or having dinner with you is not consent.

Kissing or making out is not affirmative consent for taking things further. Having had sex in the past is not consent for having sex in the future. Consenting to one sex act (oral, vaginal) does not equate consent to another sex act (anal, threesome). Each sex act needs clear affirmative consent.

Consent can be withdrawn too. Imagine you told your friend you'd hang out, but then got sick/work came up and needed to cancel. It would be disrespectful if your friend to forced you to hang out. Imagine you went to a party, but it was too loud/crowded/chaotic/stresful for you and you had to leave. It would be disrespectful if the host refused to let you leave. Similarly, someone may consent to sex, but later feel uncomfortable or tired. The second they say no or hesitate. STOP. DO NOT CONTINUE until they ask to continue WITHOUT your cajoling.

Finally if you are in a position of authority - boss, professor, producer - avoid engaging sexually with someone whose pay, promotion, grades, career opportunities depend on you. Many workplaces have strict policies against this. If there are no policies in place, establish a rapport and build trust. Make it clear that them saying yes or no will have no bearing on anything else. Build a reputation of trust and integrity so that people feel empowered to say no.

Failure to establish consent is always on the perpetrator.

There's my spiel on consent and why s**t shaming is stupid.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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The most educated, refined & urbane men think this way. What's most horrifying is how insidious misogyny & sexism in our country is--- That WOMEN believe this too!!! There is so much wrong with this statement it send shudders up my spine. W*F IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Since everyone is jumping ship seeing Smriti, Kher, Rawal prosper this one is also planning to desert liberalism's ship. This writeup is the first step.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I always say that women are their own biggest enemy. So many women will have the same pathetic stance as Tisca & it is scary because these are meant to be modern educated women YET STILL they stick the 'men will be men' board on their forehead.

I don't know how many generations it will take for this disgusting mentality to go! It's really sad.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I always say that women are their own biggest enemy. So many women will have the same pathetic stance as Tisca & it is scary because these are meant to be modern educated women YET STILL they stick the 'men will be men' board on their forehead.

I don't know how many generations it will take for this disgusting mentality to go! It's really sad.


I understand your intention but i really wish people would stop saying this.. This just perpetuates the idea that women cannot get along or empathise with other women


... See the problem is NOT men vs women... Its not about women banding together and fighting men... We are fighting patriarchy... We are fighting an ideology not a gender... . And sadly lots of women are patriarchal..



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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: bips


I understand your intention but i really wish people would stop saying this.. This just perpetuates the idea that women cannot get along or empathise with other women


... See the problem is NOT men vs women... Its not about women banding together and fighting men... We are fighting patriarchy... We are fighting an ideology not a gender... . And sadly lots of women are patriarchal..






Of course women can get along but it's the mindset I'm on about. It does become a gender issue when it's the man assaulting the woman. Women do not sexually assault men (im sure there have been a few cases though especially with minors) but as much as I agree it's an idealogy issue, it is also automatically becomes a gender issue because for the majority of the cases, its men taking advantage of women. So when fellow women themselves say 'oh why did she wear short clothes or why did she put herself in that position', you do wonder why can't women be more empathetic towards each other because really anyone could be a target of sexual assault or rape regardless of the clothes.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I hesitate to post this but since it is supposed to be sharing of thoughts I will and I hope it will be taken as intended.

I am seeing beautiful posts being liked by posters all of whom are essentially saying: the perpetrator should be held accountable 100%, stop looking for faults in the victims, no means no even if there was a yes before, it is understandable that a victim stays silent, victims fear being thought whiny and weak and shouldn't be made to feel this way.


I have seen many of these same posters (and likers) have 180 degree opposing views when the accused aggressor was female: she must have a reason, he must have led her on or slept with her even once, he is a man-wh**e anyway, he has it coming, about time woman did it to a man, he should have complained earlier, why is he complaining at all it was no big deal.


Everyone has their biases. We all need to learn see things from other perspectives or we will never have gender neutrality. Whether we like to admit it or not, most people - male and female - feel more comfortable with the world view that men are eternal aggressors and women are eternal victims. The problem is that it is constant "instruction" to women who internalize that message - even if we don't want to. That I think contributes to why it happens and happens and happens. "Men will be men, that's just how it is" comes from these internalized feelings/messages which makes some men think it is "normal" (in their world view can't blame a man for asking, that is just what men do, duh) and Tisca Chopra say women shouldn't put themselves in that position (because in her world view obviously a man will take advantage, duh) and reasonable posters say, I know she has lied about many things and I believe she sent emails saying they haven't dated and he's never kissed her but I just "know" something must have happened to make her publicly ridicule and demean him (because in their world view a man is the aggressor and a woman is the victim, duh).


We need to stop seeing woman as victims and men as aggressors. We need to see some people have been victims and some people have been aggressors.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Men are the aggressors 99% of the time so it's dishonest and disingenuous to keep saying "But what about female abusers!!!" when this kind of subject is being talked about. It doesn't help to make false equivalences when the problem is faced overwhelmingly by one gender and not both.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: anonymous39

Men are the aggressors 99% of the time so it's dishonest and disingenuous to keep saying "But what about female abusers!!!" when this kind of subject is being talked about. It doesn't help to make false equivalences when the problem is faced overwhelmingly by one gender and not both.


Read an OP-ED piece of actress Lupita Nyong'o on her dealing with Weinstein's harassment.
She categorically mentions she didn't face any such situation where women were in the positions of powers. That's why we need more women in those positions.


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