Jnam Journal: Includes my Views of specific shows or episodes

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I have created this thread in order to post longer reviews of an episode or an entire show I might have liked. Additionally, I would like to use this space to scribble down some issues or ideas that might come up during my viewing of specific episodes which may not be about the show or episode itself but more about my own viewing experience and the thoughts that it brought to the fore in my mind. For example, I am hoping to jot down some of my thoughts on the knotty issue of consent that can get touched upon tangentially in an episode of a show, but serves as fodder for deeper ruminations for me. Please consider it my equivalent of a blog.
Ps: I see this largely as a repository for my stray thoughts and posts. The views expressed here are my own and not meant to ruffle feathers.But I would like to use it to put together some ideas of my own. Posters are welcome to browse through, if interested, and to post comments, if engaged by the content.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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We already hv separate threads for every show for reviews of every size cast n creed
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The Knotty Issue of Consent:
While watching an episode of a show called ManChahi, a character asks another (his cousin) about whether her premarital sexual relations with her former lover were consensual or it she had been drugged by him. The cousin is, of course, concerned about the ignominy that will surely come their way as the news of her pregnancy and eventual mis-carriage spills outside the family fold. But, he is also concerned for a more pressing reason: he wants to gauge if his own skill in teaching his younger cousin about the importance of chastity before marriage. Being from a faith and a culture that values chastity in women, he thought he had conveyed its importance adequately to his charges (the said cousin and her younger sibling). Clearly, this new turn of events has cast a pall of self-doubt over him. Finally, he is also interested in having this question answered in order to decide if he needs to avenge his cousin's honour and the havoc the said former boyfriend has wrecked in his cousin's life.
In another show, a similar issue had cropped up: a woman was kidnapped by a rich brat, and after a hasty marriage, the viewers were informed that she had sexual relations with her kidnapper-cum-husband. We are unsure whether the kidnapped woman consented to having sex with the said man.

A lot of these shows (televised Urdu fiction) are created to by production companies based in a socially and religiously conservative country. The core revenue generating audience of these shows would like to view shows that do not challenge these accepted cultural norms unduly. As a result, these shows often have modestly attired performers, issues like pre-martial sexual activity are frowned upon, and agnosticism or atheism are discourage in characters. Moreover, these shows need to (in my limited understanding) pass an assessment (a subjective assessment, of course) of whether any content of the show could be viewed or interpreted as lewd or counter to the accepted culture of their home country.

As a result, issues about sexual proximity between couples, consent in a marriage or sexual relationship, etc are alluded to tangentially. For example, communicating to an audience that a couple has has carnal relations is no easy feat if the show has to not be faced with the threat of censorship of their carefully constructed content. As a result, an announcement of pregnancy appears to have become the most culturally acceptable short-hand for sexual intimacy. In some cases, this shorthand can lead to unintentional hilarity particularly if the characters in question are shown to be at each other's throats every waking moment of the day. All my mind can think of in such cases is the following: these people must be really into angry sex! No flowers, candles and chocolates for these folks; give them an argument over these trifles any day and watch them go!

Apart from consensual intimacy, the other case where makers as well as discerning viewers might feel short-changed is the issue of consent itself. For example, in a show I was viewing recently, a character was struggling with issue of consent. The older characters, in such cases, often believe that well-brought up women, no matter how emotionally involved with a man, will know where to draw the line before marriage. But the question that come to my mind was this: a deep love can engender a deep trust as well. So, a woman in love is likely to implicitly trust the man she is so in love with. ...

(To be continued)

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Janam is on a roll ! Great idea.. continue with your views.. will surely contribute
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WOW JNAM
That's an EXCELLENT piece of writing

This is like ur blog

I don't watch the show

But the way u wrote it

WOW
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Posted: 7 years ago
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BM 😆
btw Jnam, I love this idea because many times topics that are presented in a particular show are bigger than just the show itself, they need to and should be discussed (ex. consent as above^) and this is a great way to do it...plus not all show have threads or enough viewers for proper discussion.

this way, even if someone doesn't watch a particular show, they can comment upon the broader topic.

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Also, you write quite eloquently
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This is awesome!
About this concept of romanticizing rape and eve teasing and stalkerish behavior is such turn off. I hated sangat because of this.
As far as "pregnancy annoucement" goes, yeah there is no other way of showing intimacy really in pakistani shows and I am ok with it. I do not want to see vulgarity. No thank you. If they are on the same bed, its given that they are sleeping.
About "marital rape" I just dont know how to address this issue. Because sex in marriage is a right of a husband and wife. Both can divorce each other based on hadeeth if they are not being fulfilled in this department. But foreplay is also mentioned in hadeeth. I think I will ask a sheikh at our masjid.
But keep going...
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The Knotty Issue of Consent: Part II
I should begin this post with a disclaimer: this post is more about acknowledging and addressing the concept of consent (particularly with respect to female characters) within the framework of televised fiction being produced in a place where the state imposes certain limitations on what can be considered acceptable. So, in a way, my interest is in being in the shoes of a content creator (writer, director, etc) who operates within this framework. The larger issues of whether a state should regulate content designed for adult viewers or not, or the challenge of addressing and informing people about the importance of female consent, while very important, are not within the purview of this current post. I am, as I indicated, interested in stepping into the shoes of a creator and speaking to their challenges of operating within such a regimented milieu.

So, if I was a writer writing a show in such conditions, how would I address the issue of female consent? Here is an attempt borrowing characters from a recent show, ManChahi. I would like the reader to note that this conversation is between cousins, a male Sakhawat who is from a lower-middle class, conservative household, and Momina, who is the heroine of the show and from a relatively liberal, upper-class family:

Sakhawat: "Momina, is it true what they are saying? That you are pregnant?"
Momina: "Yes, I am."
S: How could you do this to us, and more importantly to yourself?
At this point, Momina dissolves into tears. This conversation and the news of Momina's pregnancy has made it amply clear to the audience that she has indeed, had pre-marital sexual relations with her former lover. With more detailed viewing, it will also become clear that Momin's intentions were sincere as she was not interested in a mere dalliance, but a long-term, lifelong bonding with her former lover.

Clearly, the framework of most shows I have seen so far has been to employ an accidental pregnancy to reveal to the audience about the fact of sexual intercourse. But, what about the case when my character, Momina, did not end up pregnant (which is obviously, the fate of more than a handful of real-life cases of sexual activity)? In that situation, too, I can imagine the writer being able to successfully introduce this fact into a confessional conversation Momina might have with a friend, or even her male cousin, Sakhawat. So, why do writers shy away from this second scenario, when it is just as likely to occur, or maybe more so? Could it be because introducing the idea of sexual activity without pregnancy might be seen (by some extremely wily viewers and censors) as suggesting (howsoever indirectly) to the audience that females could "get away" with having sex before marriage (or, outside of it) because they might not always get pregnant?

I am not sure of the response to this question, so I will move on. After consensual intercourse comes the issue of non-consensual sexual activity. The easiest situation to be working with for a writer and an audience is the situation of rape by an outsider, that is when a man a woman has no real knowledge of or relationship with, has forced himself on her. Introducing this plot point is relatively straightforward, and may or may not require the crutch of an actual pregnancy. As the woman was violated by a stranger, she has the creators', audiences members', and the censors' sympathy, and the details of such a sordid act can be revealed to the audience without fear of offending the sensitive or sullying the worldview of the innocent.

The next situation is of non-consensual intercourse (aka rape) within a romantic relationship, especially marriage. This is, by far, the most challenging situation to address because within the framework most viewers, censors and creators operate within, sexual activity is justified, required, and desired within a marriage. What remains unaddressed is the issue of what individual partners might desire in one moment in time. Such cases are, of course, the knottiest to understand as well as introduce as a plot point. The issue of marital rape, and what exactly constitutes it can be hard to define even in the most sexually permissive of cultures. So, wrapping one's head around it in a more conservative world can be understandably, much more challenging. In such a situation, the easiest case to depict is when the partner is physically abusive as well. Case in point: the second husband of the lead character, Saba, in Mere Zaat Zara E Benishaan. Her second marriage was forced on her as a punishment, and a means of kicking her out of the family because of the shame she her supposed actions had brought on the family. The second husband mistreated Saba from the beginning of her marriage. In fact, in his warped worldview, he had taken on someone else's problem child in exchange for a sizeable amount of money. He could now, treat her as he sought fit. As a result, Saba is routinely beaten up by her husband, and it can be assumed that she is also forced to engage in non-consensual sexual activity. In other words, she is routinely raped by her brute of a husband. As the second husband's character was peripheral to the main narrative, the issue of martial rape and physical abuse was not addressed. But, had it been a focal point of the story, one can imagine it being easily addressed without the need for a pregnancy as a crutch.

Addressing marital rape becomes challenging when there is no other physical abuse evident in the relationship, and when the relationship has been otherwise loving. In other words, when the relationship begins on a happy note, and only slowly and occasionally devolves into abusive territory. Clearly, this type of a situation is too fraught with potential land mines that the viewers, or censors might trip on, and therefore, seem to have been largely avoided by makers. In my limited viewing of Urdu shows, I have not come across one that has brought up such a situation. While I understand the reasons behind this avoidance, it would be a welcome change were a writer or director decide to make a show around such a predicament.

I would now like to switch gears a bit and talk about shows that have recently attempted to address some such situations (in my viewing) and left me either impressed or in grave doubt.

  1. ManChahi (Only viewed an episode): This show appears to deal with the fallout of a romantic relationship gone sour, as I had indicated earlier in my post. Specifically, when a woman, Momina, is misled, drugged and raped in a romantic relationship. Her former lover misled her into thinking they would be married. Furthermore, he drugged and raped her, leaving her pregnant (yes, that pregnancy crutch again!). In a recent episode of this show, Momina was questioned by Sakhawat (very patiently and with concern for her well being) about whether her premarital sexual relations with her former lover were consensual or it she had been drugged by him. Sakhawat is, of course, concerned about the ignominy that will surely come their way as the news of her pregnancy and eventual mis-carriage spills outside the family fold. But, he is also concerned for a more pressing reason: he wants to gauge if his own skill in teaching his younger cousin about the importance of chastity before marriage. Being from a faith and a culture that values chastity in women, he thought he had conveyed its importance adequately to his charges (the said cousin and her younger sibling). Clearly, this new turn of events has cast a pall of self-doubt over him. Finally, he is also interested in having this question answered in order to decide if he needs to avenge his cousin's honour and the havoc the said former boyfriend has wrecked in his cousin's life. What Sakhawat does next might help clarify his motives. So far, it appears to me that among his various motivations is Momina's well-being, which is a nice touch by the creators: a man who is concerned about a woman who is his cousin, and who is dealing with the aftermath of a possible date rape by her lout of a former lover. What I would also like to see in such a situation is for someone to say the following: "Don't worry, XYZ. Love including physical intimacy is not a crime. It is one of the best human emotions there are, and it is trust in one's lover, among other things, that takes one to the next stage which is physical intimacy. It is our challenge that we operate within a framework where chastity is valued, at times over love itself. We should have sensed the depth of your love and known how fluid the transition from one stage to the next is. If you are to blame, so are we as a society who seem to regulate love and shove all responsibility on a woman's shoulders". The closest I came to hearing a character say this was my beloved Faraz bhai from Kuch Na Kaho, one of my favourite shows in recent times.
  2. Muqabil: It is an extremely well made and extremely popular show. It appears to have elements of a thriller, as well of a well made love story while also addressing the challenging issue of child abuse. The lead heroine, Parisa, was molested by the hero's father who is in Parisa's mother's employ. Among other things, the creators need to be lauded for the visually stunning yet discrete method they chose to show a angelic little Parisa being violated by Mehmood sahib. The incident occurs on a fine, sunny day in Pareesa's lovely pool. She walks out of the pool looking beautiful with long, curly hair framing her impish face, and signals to her Mehmood uncle to join her in playing with her rubber ducks in the pool. Mehmood sahib seems to be unsettled by the sight of her, as is apparent by his profuse sweating and restive body movements. In the next shot, we see Parisa in the pool while Mehmood sahib is sitting on an edge with his feet in the pool. He takes Parisa's hand and slowly steps into the pool (with all his clothes on him). In the next shot, Mehmood sahib is pulling himself out of the pool, while Parisa is floating unconscious. These visuals within the context of the story leave little doubt as to what occurred. Mehmood sahib either fondled her inappropriately, or raped her outright. Regardless, he sexually abused Pareesa. As the story has progressed, it is made clear that Pareesa carries deep scars of that incident, including the inability to forge any intimate bond, whether romantic or platonic, with anyone. How she overcomes this, ironically with the help of her abuser's son, forms the crux of the story. What I would also be curious to see is how Mehmood sahib's character meets his end. A straightforward end would be for him to die or kill himself because many innocent lives including Arman's (Pareesa's husband) are intertwined with his. However, letting him off easily on solely that account would be a dissatisfactory end to what has been a very riveting tale so far.
  3. AndazESitam: This show is starting to appear extremely problematic to me, even though a lot of the adjustments made to the story appear to have been done to create a compelling romantic tale, and I am one of the viewers who loves a romantic yarn above all else in fiction. IN this show, the hero, Wamiq, is a spoilt brat who, in a bid to avenge an insult, kidnaps the heroine, Ayat. He then plans to rape her although he does offer to marry her before doing the deed. In the mind of Wamiq and presumably the makers, being married to a woman you then force yourself on alters a rape to a morally permissive act of mere petulance, even if that. The viewers and even Ayat's lawyer, appear to feel that she was raped, and therefore, needs to have him indicted for that crime. Ayat, however, inexplicably states that she was not raped. At this point, her motivations behind making such a statement are perplexing, and the makers have not bothered to clear it up as yet. Furthermore, the makers have also employed the crutch of pregnancy. In this situation, they appear to want to use it to redeem the hero and have Ayat give him another chance. I cannot begin to describe the deep, deep problems I have with this direction that the story has taken. I cannot imagine a situation wherein a woman is kidnapped against her will, and then, she agrees to marry and then consensually sleep with her abductor. This can be done by her to save her life and keep her tormentor placated till she finds help. But in that believable scenario, she would levy the charge of rape against the man, not deny it outright. Moreover, if the makers imagine Ayat to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, she should have been living with Wamiq for longer than a few days, and she would not then have proceeded to take him to court as punishment, not without some therapy to cure her of the Stockholm Syndrome. I know we are operating within the realm of fiction here, and fiction that is meant to engage but not challenge or alter our worldview (a whole other category of shows is supposed to do that, like Breaking Bad). But, escaping into such "slight" tales of fiction is often done with our sensibilities and perspectives intact, and there is just so much disbelief I can suspend as a viewer. It is unfortunate that this show has turned out the way it has because I do enjoy the dynamic between Ayat and Wamiq.
I will call it a day now, having put the reader through an unexpectedly long post.
Till later,
Cheers!
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Well, I don't know how you feel about people responding to your posts in this thread, as it acts as a "journal of sorts"...but you also said Posters are welcome to browse through, if interested, and to post comments, if engaged by the content. so here I am 😆
Jnam, have you watched Sangat or Ghayal.?


Could it be because introducing the idea of sexual activity without pregnancy might be seen (by some extremely wily viewers and censors) as suggesting (howsoever indirectly) to the audience that females could "get away" with having sex before marriage (or, outside of it) because they might not always get pregnant?

i hit the nail on the head , with your assumption in my opinion.

I think the problem with showing dramas/ stories with themes that center around sexuality is that the writers have to be extremely cautious of how they show it otherwise, they either loose viewership or face the censor board...

and showing content in a typically conservative environment, generally promoting atypical habits and norms (changes to the status quo aren't encouraged)...

However I'd also like to point out these norms are usually applied to the females only. One can argue that often these dusri biwi dramas and ones where the "older males" have a companion in addition to their spouses...companions that ones that the spouses are aware of and ignore or unaware and ignorant of.

Obviously it is implied that sexual relations happen among these individuals but the way it is implied is vastly different to how sexual relations are implied via the tactic of using pregnancy in the "younger generation".

I believe the idea so to promote; or rather, instill fear into these young minds. that sex whether it is within a marriage, premartial or nonconsensual sex will most indefinitely lead to consequences. and the easiest form to portray these consequences is though a child or pregnancy.

They exception to the this, i've only seen once which was Saya E dewar Bhi nahi, where man carrying on an affair is constantly telling his mistress, I will never let you be a mother. In essence he was declaring not only was having an affair with her but that he would never let their affair have a physical consequence--or aftermath.

Hence, if a writer/script just requires the establishment and confirmation of sex, often a pregnancy and miscarriage is the easiest way to do so.

In fact, I have only 3 shows, i can think of where sex has not directly been associated with a pregnancy/child. Muqabil, Ghayal, Udaari and Intezaar.

And the easiest way to say why is all 4 shows were based on participants, being non-consensual participants and 3 of them (Udaari, Muqabil and Intezaar) had to do with children being victims...

and all four shows were written and organized with the purpose on being informative and engage the audience in this topic/conversation.

Ghayal in particular is centered around this girl who is terrified and a victim, constantly trying to reach out for help. Only for society to abandon her and protect her attacker...until the very end, when he almost was successful in harming another person that her society realized she had not been lying.

Aandaz e sitam and Sangat run on very similar parallels for me, and I'm afraid this post is a rambling one, so I'll stop right here 😆. Please let me know, if you wish for me to shorten/delete this post.
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Thanks, Tabs. You raise some great points. Yes, it is a journal but one I did want interested people to comment on. :-)
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