Sanam AT # 3 - Osman Khalid Butt, Maya Ali and Hareem - Page 65

Originally posted by: lostmymusic.

I can not sympathize with Ayla despite her mental condition simply because as a viewer I haven't seen or even told even one likable quality in Ayla. Not even a basic throwaway comment like, "Ayla dil ki bohat achi hai. Buss uska gussa bohat tez hai" The show should've have given us SOMETHING to root for in Ayla. Barely ten minutes in the first episode and Ayla started giving off these snobbish vibes.

I can't blame anyone but the writer here. Harib's passiveness can be swallowed if we just call him a "weak man" and get it over with. But what of Ayla?! She makes no logical sense in any way! It's not like I don't want to feel for her but she's giving me no reason to do so! No one is a saint in this story..sab apni apni jaga pe pagal hi hain. Specially with the whole refusal to talk to Ayla's family about her condition! Harib knows that she needs medical attention. He also knows that is Ziddi No. 1 and won't listen to anyone's advice least of all a person's she hates the most right now. It's his duty to tell her parents after everything that has happened ke jee..Ayla has left me..please take care of your daughter so she can stay safe at her own home.

...wow. Now I see why the general critics awaam is annoyed by this show 😆

Originally posted by: ChaiBiskoot

Questions?

1. Does Ayla actually suffer from a mental disorder? What is it?

2. Is Ayla just a plain shameless, disrespectful, crazy woman?

3. Option 1 & 2 combined?

This will clear all of my doubts

Originally posted by: faria.yahya

Somehow I think the writer is not the only one to blame.

See, if they had focused on Ayla and Harib for the first four to five episodes - showing some good times and Ayla's positive side, and coupled that with some negative things - they would have established some ground for her illness and roused some sympathy from us viewers.

BUT this was always marketed as an Osmaya show. I somehow see this as the bigger issue. How many of us would have actually waited for four to five episodes or even longer before Ayla went out of the picture and Aan came in?

If you see YouTube stats, the 4th episode (max screen time for Harib-Ayla) has the least views while episode 5 which had the max screentime for Osmaya is about to cross 1 million views.

If I were a regular director, and I knew osmaya are my trp-fetching factor for this serial, I wouldn't bother much about Ayla or her mental illness. My focus would be to get her out of the way as soon as I can, even if it means butchering the script.

Aan and Harib's interactions seem artificial and forced simply because they seem to have been put in to appease the viewers and have no coherence with the story. As you all pointed out, Aan has a full time job so why is she the delivery lady for Harib's breakfast all of a sudden and that too when she knows what Ayla is perceiving her to be - a husband stealer.

So I think the entire team is in this. Directors do work on screenplays and there are script editors also. So i feel its kind of unfair to blame only the writer. We will never know if this really was the story she wanted to tell... or is this just a max trp fetching storyline (regardless of coherence and consistency of characters).

Hmmm...

I don't particularly agree as the show being marketed as an "Osmaya" show. Purely talking about the initial promos of show. Harib's relationship with Aan and Ayla was given equal footage. Also I don't really think Haseeb would've gone completely away from the script simply because it's written by his wife. This isn't the first time he has executed his wife's script..Nanhi won both of them accolades.

Look at the first couple of episodes..Maya barely had screen time in them. Aan and Harib had two interactions that too "hi-bye" types. Their stories were moving separately. It was written in the script that Ayla would base off her shakk when she saw them together. And I completely disagree with AaRib's interactions looking as "forced" and means to "appease the viewers". Yeah, I complained about Aan's 'shukar kiya karen' lecture because it came out of nowhere! The timings was majorly off not necessarily her point. Had we been shown some days passing after Harib got the divorce notice after which Aan goes all Mother Teresa on Harib..I wouldn't be complaining. This I agree is the director's fault for not showing the time passing properly.

And it's not like AanHarib's interactions have any romantic tone to them. Their interactions don't cut into anyone's screentime. Their development isn't being done at the cost of other important events. I'm not saying the director isn't at fault here but when in the source material the characters are established as...well whatever we are seeing them on screen, the one who's "brain child" the story is to be blamed.

Khair it all comes down to me not having ANY idea how dramas are made 😆 It's universal truth that things get lost in translation from script to screen and very rarely do we get see to the writer's vision 100% on screen. But even so I don't think the writer had any intention of making us really sympathize with Ayla. Your argument about episodes with AaRib having more views on YT then it's a fact that OsMaya have a large fanbase. BUT..these portions of the dramas were shot last year. During the time DeD was still on air and Wali-Faraa's story hadn't gotten the focus which shot OsMaya to such stardom and made them everyone's favorite jodi. So unless major portions have been chopped off which show Ayla in good light...Imma take this as the story as the writer intended to tell in the first place.

Originally posted by: HeavenlyBliss.

Shes bipolar

Completely agree to lostmymusic.! All the Aarib we are shown are the basis of the (future) story, they're not being included just to please the viewers or strike a balance to the Harib-Ayla-track (that-turned-out-to-be-torture-coz-no-chemistry). 'Forced' Aarib is neither the right description nor is it the issue here IMO (they don't show any romantic interest in each other, Aan is pro-Haila), the problem in the last episode regarding Aan was the lack of maintenance of her baaqi ki zindagi, as well as her not so timely lecture near the end (which I'm sure will be forgiven as time moves on).

And above all - as mentioned - Osmaya was NOT a thing when that Sanam stuff was being shot.. Doing so at that point in time (last year, before the OsMaya craze) should've rather been considered a 'risk' for Sanam if that had been the intention. I mean.. the makers can be happy now that OsMaya has become this big, because it's probably going to be the saving grace!

I think the purpose of Saras entry is to make Ayla realize her mistake

I agree! I think ayla actually might come back and solve things with harib. I might be wrong but that scene were she takes the pic of aan and harib from the ost hasn't happened yet(but I always go on my phone while watching tv so i dunno). Tbh I'm okay with the whole aan bringing him breakfast thing bc there isn't any other reason for her to go and talk to him, they could have explained it better tho. Other than that I feel like we don't know much about aan's character, hope that changes.

Originally posted by: lostmymusic.

Hmmm...

I don't particularly agree as the show being marketed as an "Osmaya" show. Purely talking about the initial promos of show. Harib's relationship with Aan and Ayla was given equal footage. Also I don't really think Haseeb would've gone completely away from the script simply because it's written by his wife. This isn't the first time he has executed his wife's script..Nanhi won both of them accolades.

Look at the first couple of episodes..Maya barely had screen time in them. Aan and Harib had two interactions that too "hi-bye" types. Their stories were moving separately. It was written in the script that Ayla would base off her shakk when she saw them together. And I completely disagree with AaRib's interactions looking as "forced" and means to "appease the viewers". Yeah, I complained about Aan's 'shukar kiya karen' lecture because it came out of nowhere! The timings was majorly off not necessarily her point. Had we been shown some days passing after Harib got the divorce notice after which Aan goes all Mother Teresa on Harib..I wouldn't be complaining. This I agree is the director's fault for not showing the time passing properly.

And it's not like AanHarib's interactions have any romantic tone to them. Their interactions don't cut into anyone's screentime. Their development isn't being done at the cost of other important events. I'm not saying the director isn't at fault here but when in the source material the characters are established as...well whatever we are seeing them on screen, the one who's "brain child" the story is to be blamed.

Khair it all comes down to me not having ANY idea how dramas are made 😆 It's universal truth that things get lost in translation from script to screen and very rarely do we get see to the writer's vision 100% on screen. But even so I don't think the writer had any intention of making us really sympathize with Ayla. Your argument about episodes with AaRib having more views on YT then it's a fact that OsMaya have a large fanbase. BUT..these portions of the dramas were shot last year. During the time DeD was still on air and Wali-Faraa's story hadn't gotten the focus which shot OsMaya to such stardom and made them everyone's favorite jodi. So unless major portions have been chopped off which show Ayla in good light...Imma take this as the story as the writer intended to tell in the first place.

Originally posted by: faria.yahya

Before the show started, Hum's posters and Haseeb's interview all focused on Osmaya as being the centre of Sanam. They may have given equal footage in the teasers but it was clear no one was talking much about Ayla (or Hareem being the FL). I remember even Mona Haseeb the writer commenting somewhere about her piyaray Harib and Aan.

Also, both Aan/Harib scenes of the first two episodes were shot last month not last year. :) That's why I wondered if they were added later to increase Osmaya screentime...

Of course it's possible that the writer simply didn't want the viewers to sympathize with Ayla but then why bring mental illness in it at all rather than just say she's a negative character (a typical shakki wife) to begin with? If she had done that, much of the problem with the storyline at least goes - stereotypes do remain though but it's still more believable than the scenario presently where Ayla seems to be the only consistent character while others suffer from bouts of amnesia every now and then. :)

I do sometimes wonder what if Maya was playing Ayla and someone else (like Sajal) was playing Aan...

The interviews focused on Osmaya because by the time they were happening, Osmaya were already a big thing. I haven't come across much of these interviews but the one IV Haseeb did with BBC Radio..Sanam's questions directly came after the DeD praise. It's up to the interviewers to decide what questions to ask. OsMaya are huge so the natural curiosity is about them.

The outdoor sequences were shot last month as far as it's my knowledge. AanHarib happened to meet for the first time outside their houses hence those scenes were shot last month. If I'm not wrong in my estimate then the final scenes of this week's episode were one of the first scenes to be shot in the drama. Like Obi said, shoot isn't done chronological. It's done based on who and what is available at the said time. The only last minute addition/damage control will happen in the last episode. Baqi sab tou is in the script itself..

It's the writer's choice to give Ayla a mental condition and that was my entire point in blaming the writer. If she couldn't live without Ayla having a legit mental condition then she should've taken her time out to properly sketch her character; the good, the bad, and everything that is the result of her condition. But we got nothing of that. Ever since the start Sanam was called as a "unique love story" That's it. The mental condition thing was only talked of by Hareem. And I've always talked of my apprehension of the love story being between Harib and Aan which not only reeked of infidelity but also had the added issue of the wife having a mental disorder. I was worried whether the show would go down the typical path of husband falling in love with someone while neglecting his wife in need. But that's clearly not how the story was intended and it's clearly not what is being shown. The infidelity was nothing but a story Ayla cooked up and the mental condition toh khair...I'm still trying to figure out just WHAT that condition actually is.

You say Ayla is the only consistent character, right? Cool. Ayla has been consistently problematic since episode 1. I started having issues with her when she so easily made her head banging incident as Harib "accidentally pushing her". These major issues of blaming everyone but herself for her condition remain the same for me...the very reasons I don't feel anything for Ayla. And since according to you Ayla is the ONLY consistent character of the show then that means I'm just on the right track of what the writer originally intended for Ayla to be so..yeah. I'm actually not wrong in not feeling anything for her. Thanks..that makes me feel loads better :)

Last, even if Ayla was played by Meryl Streep herself and was written the way we are getting Ayla played by Hareem...I'd still not give two hoots about her. It's not the actor who is the issue here, it's the character itself.

I will be so pissed if he goes back to Ayla