Singing contest Issues:4 All MEMBERS

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Final Results:SRGMP Forum Singing Contest

Disclaimer : Let me make this very clear to all the members that this post is not to attack anyone. This is just to tell everyone and show them that I have been unbiased thoughout the contest. Lot of charges were made against me in the last round. I needed to clear them. Barnalidi asked me not to do it then and let the show carry on smoothly. I have high respect for her and would never dream to go against her wishes. But yes now when the show is over I am just putting here before you all some facts followed during the show. Facts which will tell you that the show was done in a very unbiased manner. So please dn't take it as a charge from my side to you all. Except ofcourse Sahana😊

Let me start from the begining. When Abhi started the contest he had approached me to take charge of it. But I catagorarically told him that under no circumstances I am going to be a part of the contest especially taking charge of it. The reason was simple..... If any controvertial decision is taken/asked for views being a Dev Team member I will be bashed and called names. But the same when done by you all will be taken in a completely different perspective. So best was to get a neutral member to take charge of it. But after Abhi got banned the contest had died out. Some members requested me to take charge of it again. With no other option left I agreed to do it..... JUST FOR THE SAKE OF YOU ALL.... I thought maybe this will provide a source of fun and entertainment for all the members here.

But sorry to say all my misgivings were finally proved right. The level of charges made against me were too many including calling me biased towards a particular gharana. I had then decided not to reply to any of your charges as I wanted the contest to end peacefully. But will do so now.

Charge #1 : Ummm was given to Appa by me and that was done deliberately.

Let me tell you all first one thing. When the contestants were given the gharana's I had not listened to a single of them. Had no idea who was good who bad. Now you want to believe this or not is upto you.

Now my giving Ummm to Appa..... well it was not just me. It was a collective decision. But the most interesting thing is THIS IDEA WAS GIVEN FORTH BY RANI FIRST AND NOT ME. Check the posts of Rani below. Incidently Rani was from Sunil's Gharana.... 😊 And then check the post of Angela. She has confirmed it.....

bollywood_queen wrote: hi...i just got a PM from luvmusicji saying that he/she is no longer taking part...leaving me and ummmji mentorless 😕 so would it be ok if i went with surpremiji (he's already expecting me to be in his gharana) and ummmji went with appaji...this also solves the problem of appaji walking out 😛 this way there would be 4 in each gharana and punjiniji can have the option of choosing another please let me know if that's ok https://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=270143&T PN=7

teenindia_usa wrote: Viper wants to cohost with me is that ok also ummji=appa mentor and bollwood queen=supreme mentor https://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=270143&T PN=10

And I was then absent here that day (Check my post on page 2 of the same topic) and had asked Angela to take charge. It was she who was handling all this. My reply to making of gharana's and readjusting the contestants was made on page 13 of the same topic. Me and Anol had more or less put our stamp there...

Charge #2 : I was biased towards Appa so gave him Ummm.

Interesting charge I must say. Members and mentors said Appa asked for Ummm and I gave her to his gharana. Well well so how about Sahana asking for Viper and she gets him conviniently 😃. I am bit confused regarding the charge now. To whom was I biased.... Appa or Sahana??? And then I found that I was a supporter of Sunil's gharana. Can you all clear this now.

Charge #3 : Breaking of Rules as to postponements.

Now about a rule that has been debated too many times..... postponing the date of submission of songs. Well it took place for the first time in this very second round. AND....... It was because Sunil was away and had problems in getting the songs ready in time. Here's his post. It was is on page 35.

Surpremi wrote: Thx for the postponement to 9th. Two of my contestants are working on their songs so this helps - Grazias!!

Charge #4 : Musaed using special effect.

Disclaimer : This is no rules bending issue. Just an issue where Musaed Bhai and Sunil claimed they never used Echo. I am just showing here that Musaed Bhai himself have made this statement here once that he used echo.

Okay now comming to this issue. Musaed Bhai you in your post attacked us saying you never used any echo effect. Gave some other technical reasons for the song quality. Here's your post during that time.... Go to the forth round Results topic and you will find it. It has been quoted by Appa and posted in this topic here though. Topic for the Mentors-Dtls of 4th Round

musaed wrote: Regarding Special Effects.well.. I didnt use any Specific Effects rather than some Echo....

Charge #5 : Wild Card Entry.

The biggest issue that was challenged by saying there is no such rule or PRECEDENCE FOR IT. Sorry to say members but there has been such a precedence and THAT TOO IN THIS VERY CONTEST.

Here's the topic by lovemusicji where he had posted the rules. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/sa-re-ga-ma-pa-singing-superstar/250624/making-of-if-gharanas

And here's his post..... check the rule number-2

luvmusic wrote: All the contestants who have not qualified have one more chance through 'wild card entry'. So jamke riyaaz keejiye. Remember there have been people from wild card entry as winners!!! You never know! Members willing to enter the contest (inclusive of those who posted earlier and those who didn't) through wild card can post their songs before 20th April 2006.

Now this is my question to Sahana...... You posted there that Sunil deserved an appology from me and Priya..... DESERVED??? May I ask why??? What did we say that went against the rule of the contest or that was in any way abusive to Sunil???

And now when we have posted our side of the story..... Don't you think we deserve some appology from few here. No need to appologise mind you...... but just think once.....

It is very easy to point fingers at others. Making charges at others. But remember always to atleast check out the actual facts before making them. I could have shown all these facts then itself but I was stopped by Barnalidi then. She wanted this contest to get over in a peacefull manner. I did just that. But now here's our side of the story....... Yes there have been lot of drama through PM too. But better we keep that in the back burner....

Replies to all the charges that were made against us will also be posted soon. I had told few then that when time comes I will reply to your charges. And yes now I will do so....

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Bhaskar Bhai,
I dont know anything about what had happend in IF SRGMP contest, But considering last one week this post by you is not going to help the forum unless you are enjoying the situation happening in forum recently even you are in hospital. I will not participate in this allegation and counter allegation game, but I am sure person concerned will either reply or may not have enough interest/energy/time to keep it going. But it is not good at all. It is my POV.

I moved it from IF SRGMP congratulation thread.

Me too

Thank you Bhaskar for clearing some of the clouds on this issue. I thought of putting my side of the story too. I sincerely hope that all the confusions and questions will be answered now. Still if anyone has any doubt about any valid and logical issue regarding IF contest then I will try to clear that out.

Charge #1 : Ummm was given to Appa by me and that was done deliberately.

Charge #2 : I was biased towards Appa so gave him Ummm.

During the auditions round, I did not listen to all the songs posted. The only three songs I heard were Ummm's, Rani's, and Sunitha's. That time I understood that the mentors would select their gharana and also the contestant can give their choice of mentors.

I was the first mentor to listen to Ummm's song and was highly impressed. I clapped a lot and PM'ed her asking whether she would join my gharana. She agreed, and I declared my first choice in the thread. I did not choose Sunitha because Sahana had already selected her, and Sunitha also did not pick me as a mentor, so did Rani.

Later Ummm was not given to my gharana. Not too long back ID from the Yalgaar gharana did the walkout, and following his footsteps I jokingly posted that I will walk out if Ummm is not given to me. The issue stopped there.

Later, when one of the mentor could not participate, my gharana got Ummm on Rani's request. Thank you Rani.

Charge #3 : Breaking of Rules as to postponements.

No comments here. It was completely justified. The contestants, mentors, judges, and mods all have a life outside IF too. We are all are humans and everybody has health problems. If the dates had to be postponed due to unavoidable circumstances then it is OK for me.

Charge #4 : Musaed using special effect.

There are no two minds here as Musaed bhai himself admitted that he used echo effects. Although I did not read Musaed bhai's later post, where as per Bhaskar he denied it. I still don't know what prompted him to do that.

Now this is my question to Sahana...... You posted there that Sunil deserved an appology from me and Priya..... DESERVED??? May I ask why??? What did we say that went against the rule of the contest or that was in any way abusive to Sunil???

Again I would like to reiterate that the term "Deserved Apology" came as a shocker to me. I was wondering why, what for? In our entire India Forum life span we have all said and done something for which we are not exactly proud and probably should apologize in a perfect world. But we have not done that so far. So why single out poor Bhaskar and Priya for doing nothing. In that case lets all start apologizing, and create an APOLOGISING SECTION in this forum. This section will be like a confession box.

And now when we have posted our side of the story..... Don't you think we deserve some apology from few here? No need to apologize mind you...... but just think once.....

It is very easy to point fingers at others. Making charges at others. But remember always to atleast check out the actual facts before making them. I could have shown all these facts then itself but I was stopped by Barnalidi then. She wanted this contest to get over in a peacefull manner. I did just that. But now here's our side of the story....... Yes there have been lot of drama through PM too. But better we keep that in the back burner....

Lets not forget that when we point a finger at someone, then four fingers from the same hand points at you.

I think we have all accused this poor guy Bhaskar a lot in the past few days and that too at a time when he needed the most support and cooperation from our fellow members. Please please please give this guy some support and best wishes so that he gets well soon.

As this is going to be the last discussion thread of IF SRGMP (atleast for this season) – I thought of using the same to share some of my thoughts. I hope its taken in the correct spirit 😊

When Abhi proposed the IF SRGMP contest, it was such a fresh idea that I guess we all loved it. Many wanted to participate and lot of us wanted to listen to the wonderful singers on our forum. What could be better than a real musical contest in a musical forum? The main objective of the contest was sharing music and enjoy, and have fun in the process.

Somewhere down the line – the fun intent seemed to have faded out, and the place turned to be a real 'ranabhoomi'… Charges flew in left and right, and it took the most unfortunate turn a couple of weeks back… Suddenly even the distribution of participants into the gharanas began to be questioned! Why did it suddenly become a problem after so many weeks? If Appa had Ummm and Sunitha, Sahana had Urmi and Rijuta while Sur had Musaed… No offense to any other singer, but they were clearly the strongest… and this too when actually no one chose the singers initially… I think it was a very fair distribution… and may be others thought too… if not the case, may be the concerns would have raised earlier itself…

I found that the Dev team was being charged time and again that they were breaking the rules – delaying the submission of songs etc, changing the rules etc… We all need to appreciate that such a contest was being handled by them for the first time and they were also learning in the process.. Also, if rules were bent – they were bent for all…not because someone was favored..It was more because the Dev team still had the fun objective in mind and wanted to go fwd with it. If that was not the case, we could have lost Musaed long ago for using a technical enhancer, or some others for submitting the song late.

And again, rules were not bent all the time too.. Ummm had to be out of the competition, as she was sick and could not submit her song on time… If the whole of IF cried that Aishwarya should have been called back in Lil Champs as she was sick, it was a similar case for Ummm too… But the Dev team went ahead with the show, and may be that was the right thing to do at the moment.

Calling back Sunitha – a huge hue and cry was made over it, even though the suggestion came from the judges… later even the fairer wild card round was suggested – even that was discarded and too much of uncalled for mud-slinging took place… If the contest was for 'fun', when did all the political and regional objectives creep in? Why were the judges – who were respected until then, suddenly become the villains? Was it really required? Personal egos of all the mentors ruled over the spirit of music from that point on and I guess the people who suffered the most were the singers. If someone wanted the judges not to consider his singer even if she was called back, the other one pulled out of the contest to prove something while the third wanted the Dev team to apologize to others! Why? Does ego mean everything above music? I am not even sure whether the contestants' personal intent and will was even taken into account by the mentors! As every time it happened, we did not even know what the actual contestant in question was thinking about it at that very moment!

To sum it up – I guess, we could have kept the contest lot cleaner by just being a little more tolerant and compassionate. I just hope that we have learnt from our mistakes, and will have a better, cleaner and more musical second season of the Challenge 👍🏼

Good to see that the misconceptions are being cleared

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Bhaskar Bhai,
I dont know anything about what had happend in IF SRGMP contest, But considering last one week this post by you is not going to help the forum unless you are enjoying the situation happening in forum recently even you are in hospital. I will not participate in this allegation and counter allegation game, but I am sure person concerned will either reply or may not have enough interest/energy/time to keep it going. But it is not good at all. It is my POV.

I moved it from IF SRGMP congratulation thread.

Jaadoo Bhai,

I completely agree with your opinion, but I understand where is this post coming from. If you just put yourself in Bhaskar's shoes you will realise it.

It is not a very good feeling when you see your own name openly slaughtered in a public forum without any valid and legitimate reasons. It really hurts bad. I have been in his position many times in this forum, and I completely understand how Bhaskar felt. In that case everyone likes to see his/her name cleared from those false allegations. So, please bear with him please.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Ek baat bataoon allegation aisi cheez hoti hai jisse koi insaan apne ko innocent proof nahin kar sakta... Even court bhi hazaar daleel aor hazaar gawah aor hazaar din ke baad kah deta hai ke that person is innocent lekin public nahin maanti hai...Yeh aap pe hai aapki antar atmaa pe hai ke kaya samajhte ho...Agar aap samajhte ho ke you are unbiased then you are unbiased duniyaa chaahe jo kahe... tabhhi shaanti milegi kisi ke kahne se nahin....aor agar hum sabhi kah den ke Bhaskar unbiased hai aor aap ki antar atmaa kahti hai ke biased ho to shaanti nahin milegi... Islie lets rest this issue, otherwise mujhe koi problem nahin hai keep this going.....

Jaadoo bhai,

This conscience type dialogue is too filmi.😆

No matter what, you don't want people to think that you are a crook, especially when you are not guilty.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Bhaskar Bhai,
I dont know anything about what had happend in IF SRGMP contest, But considering last one week this post by you is not going to help the forum unless you are enjoying the situation happening in forum recently even you are in hospital. I will not participate in this allegation and counter allegation game, but I am sure person concerned will either reply or may not have enough interest/energy/time to keep it going. But it is not good at all. It is my POV.

I moved it from IF SRGMP congratulation thread.

Jaadoo Bhai i hve always kept myself away from these controversies. but today after reading yur post i am forced to reply. more because i hve seen bhaskars condition with my own eyes.

i hve just two questions. when allegations r made against yu all yu react. that is valid and normal. because yu all feel that yu were hurt. did yu ever give a thought as to how bhaskar must hve felt about those allegations especially when thy were all misconceptions.

second point jaadoo bhai. last few days too many of yu made allegations and created such a furure in the forum. and most of the members who did it knew very well in what condition bhaskar was in. didnt any of yur concience ever ask yu to wait few days. instead he was being sent PM's asking why isnt he replying. is this what he is supposed to recieve.

today when he is trying to clear his name yu all r feeling bad. why? go through the post and then go and check yur allegations against bhaskar. then see how wrong yu all had been. but this boy kept quiet even then.

i would make this a platform to thank bhaskar to hve kept yur cool then and let the show come to a proper ending. i know it was tough but yu did it. i am proud of yu bhai.

My POV - if you are being accused of something that you did not do, you should take the opportunity to clear all misconceptions given a chance. The others may not agree to all the things, but you have the satisfaction to have conveyed your point. Also - the world does not take it for granted that some people can take all the allegations of the world without saying a word. I think Bhaskar and Appa are right in doing this. It never feels good to stand in a mud-pool, believe me!

In fact thats why I also thought of posting my POV in this thread, as we may not get a chance to talk about it later.

I wd better keep my mouth shut on this issue as i dont know anything........
But last few days have really helped me to identify the people who act differently over PM and in open forum..... so whatever happened was for good..... 😊