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Rose

@stranger2rose

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Posted: 13 years ago

KUCH SAWAAL BAAJI KE NAAM

There are certain questions relating to our Baaji which are disturbing me… hope u can answer them for me

Firstly we all know that Baaji introduced dutta to the world of crime because dutta wanted to make lots of money, become powerful and that too quickly now as a friend was it right on his part to show dutta this path ? at that point of time dutta was heartbroken n vulnerable not in a position to think right but at least he could have acted sensibly and told dutta that their current job though gives them less money but still is satisfying moreover by getting rich and powerful he will not get seema back so why waste your life over someone worthless like seema? I know dutta was not a thumb sucking kid but still …

Secondly do u think Baaji was often taken for granted by dutta? I mean dutta often used him as his punching bag to take out his frustration on him maybe because dutta trusted him a lot and never expected Baaji to make any mistakes whereas he always took everything silently. I was really upset to see the way he was treated by dutta post FR , all of a sudden suds became responsible as per dutta while he was royally ignored , agreed Baaji by not disclosing nakku's secret had broken his trust big time but still how could he forget that Baaji was his only true companion ?

Thirdly, the fact that Baaji stopped nakku once from showing her real face to dutta could be condoned coz then dutta was already disturbed because of kala and would certainly misunderstand nakku but later on when things had settled down and nakku wanted to tell dutta the truth and was asking bappa for a signal then why did Baaji turned the fan in her direction and mislead her?

Fourthly, do u think deep down Baaji was a loner? I mean dutta had him as a friend , nakku as a lover and ofcourse his family though useless but still was there for him but Baaji had nobody except dutta and dutta too was mostly busy fighting his inner demons actually he was hardly there for Baaji. He was engrossed in uniting tasha but what about him? Who was there to think about him?

Lastly, who do u wished Baaji to be paired up with? Roops or Madhu ? though personally speaking I disliked roops a lot, I would prefer him being paired with dutta but not with roops.

Toh kya apke paas mere sawalon ke jawab hain? Like me if you too have some queries related to Baaji plz feel free to share.

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Posted: 13 years ago

@ BAAJI ko dekha toh yeh SAWAAL aaya.. 😆Ohh too gud.. .👏

i have sum queries*raise hand*...mere sawalon kaa jawab do?

Reserved:( Sorry Rosie)😳

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anirka

@anirka

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Posted: 13 years ago

Abhi I m not able to see Baji... So will soon come up with question and answers... as soon as I have a look at baji... 😊

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Ani_La_Iam

@Ani_La_Iam

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Posted: 13 years ago

Love this thread and all your deep questions...been having the same "sawaal"...here is what I think. 😃

I personally think that Baji was not being a good friend by introducing Dutta for the Don world. First of all Dutta was suppose to kill people...he could have been killed himself. Secondly Dutta did have hard time killing the first man...Baji was the one behind him shouting shoot Dutta shoot...(something like this). Another thing is... Baji knew the Don world and the people...he knew what he was getting Dutta involved with...so I still do not understand why Baji did what he did. 😕

Dutta was emotional, angry and broken...but he would have got over it...because he had a loving family...it was just matter of time...but...After the first kill...there was no turning back for Dutta...not because he liked it or because of the money... but because he cross the limit and started hating himself for that. The scene where Dutta broke down and cry was not because of Seema... but because of realizing what he has done and that now there was no turning back...he hated himself for what Seema made him to be...but the true is that Baji had a big hand in it too.

Here I would like to clarify...that Dutta did make the choice himself...and I like how Dutta take responsibility of his own actions and do not blame others for the choices he makes.

I believe it is normal that the person who knows you...seen your ups and downs...who you can be yourself with...do not have to hide what you are feeling...is the person you take your frustrations out on. The reason is that they know you enough to know...that what is really in your heart and that you just are frustrated and that you love them and need them.

Baji did make many big mistakes...and I think there was this time when Dutta was getting married to Naku...he kind of wanted to retire and wanted Baji to take over...then realizing that he could not do that...was frustrating for Dutta. I am thinking about the whole thing when Damodar came in to the picture...and Dutta falling in love with Naku and wanting and dreaming about a better life.

The different with Dutta and Baji is that Dutta do not want to be in the "dhanda" but Baji enjoys it...specially the power or the feeling to be looked up to - but in a positive way.

About Dutta treating Baji very mean after the FR...it is very understandable...Baji let a women came between there trust and friendship...Baji took a strangers side and hided the true about something that he had no right to do in the first place.

I do not think that it was about Dutta not trusting Baji anymore...it was about Dutta being hurt and feeling alone.

Baji chose Naku over Dutta...does not matter how good his intention was...it was a betrayal and if you feel you got this person... who always got your back and you realize that you where wrong...that is very hurtful.

I think Dutta had every right to be upset with Baji and his family...Dutta's whole family hided a true from him because of some women and a stranger...that is a very painful situation to be in.

No matter what feeling Dutta had for Kala...the right time for Naku telling the true...was when she run of and came back...Dutta would have understood...Naku did not say yes to marring him because she had a secret and when she came back and if she had told Dutta the true...that would have shown her trust in him and showed that she do not want any secret between them.

Maybe Dutta would have had...a little hard time in the begining to figure out if she is the same women he fell in love with and who she really is...but at least it was not a betrayal.

About Baji turning the fan...got big problem with that and Babi too. Babi was being selfish...Baji must be confused because of the whole thing about the secret...Naku...Ganpat...and Babi...

Naku was just using them as an excuse...she made them the reason for not telling Dutta the true...but the true is...she was not ready to and afraid.

You can actually question here...Baji and Naku love Dutta a lot...but do they trust him...believe in him? They say they know him very well...but do they?

I do not think Baji was feeling he was alone...he loved his life...did not need anyone else than Dutta in his life...Baji is a character who takes days as they come...even though he is romantic (he was very involved in Dutta's love life) he did not feel the need to have a women in his life himself.

It of cause change when Madhu came in to the picture and Dutta got busy with his feelings toward Naku.

I would say Madhu...I did not like Roops charater in LTL...but after reading " D-N The Eternal Story"...I really loved the way Roops character change.😃

I have maybe been very harsh toward Naku and Baji...but that because I can relate to Dutta.

I am totally against people saying they love you very much...and they do care for you and there intention are always good...they think they know you and what is right for you...they make decision about your life and what they believe what you need...but they are wrong...because in the end it is only you who know what you are ready for and what you need and only you should have the right to decide what is rigth for you.

Sorry for my long answers...😳

Edited by Ani_98 - 13 years ago

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Ani_La_Iam

@Ani_La_Iam

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: anirka
Abhi I m not able to see Baji... So will soon come up with question and answers... as soon as I have a look at baji... 😊

Anirka...😊

What a signature you got (love it) and what a situation you just put me in to last night. 😳

I was on the forum and was reading your post...my mom just looked...just as your signature appeared on the screen...me trying to close the page and my compute to freeze just there...the few seconds just seems like minutes.

She did not say anything...but...can you imagine what my mother must be thinking...Poor my daughter...been a single mom in so many years and is looking at...😆😳

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Rose

@stranger2rose

Sparkler

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Ani_98

Love this thread and all your deep questions.thanks so much ani this is for the 1st time i've opened up a discussion thread , i am usually not into disecting n analyzing things ..lol...been having the same "sawaal"...here is what I think. 😃

I personally think that Baji was not being a good friend by introducing Dutta for the Don world. First of all Dutta was suppose to kill people..from an innocent mechanic to a killer ..what a transition .he could have been killed himself...omg ..yes what if he got killed then what would have happened ???? Secondly Dutta did have hard time killing the first man...Baji was the one behind him shouting shoot Dutta shoot.certainly not done baaji ..(something like this). Another thing is... Baji knew the Don world and the people...he knew what he was getting Dutta involved with.absolutely..something which wouldnt heal dutta instead scar him for life..so I still do not understand why Baji did what he did. 😕

Dutta was emotional, angry and broken...but he would have got over it...because he had a loving family.atleast a loving mom though its hard to believe that even she didnt stop him instead enjoyed the status of Aayi Saheb ..never mind we shall deal with her when time comes ..lol..it was just matter of time...but...After the first kill...there was no turning back for Dutta..exactly.not because he liked it or because of the money... but because he cross the limit...agree with u.. and started hating himself for that. The scene where Dutta broke down and cry was not because of Seema... but because of realizing what he has done and that now there was no turning back..must say i didnt think that way ..i was under this impression that he was heartbroken..thanks for bringing out a very valid point...he hated himself for what Seema made him to be...but the true is that Baji had a big hand in it too...big big hand

Here I would like to clarify...that Dutta did make the choice himself...and I like how Dutta take responsibility of his own actions and do not blame others for the choices he makes.

I believe it is normal that the person who knows you...seen your ups and downs...who you can be yourself with...do not have to hide what you are feeling...is the person you take your frustrations out on. The reason is that they know you enough to know...that what is really in your heart and that you just are frustrated and that you love them and need them.

Baji did make many big mistakes...and I think there was this time when Dutta was getting married to Naku...he kind of wanted to retire and wanted Baji to take over...then realizing that he could not do that...was frustrating for Dutta. I am thinking about the whole thing when Damodar came in to the picture...and Dutta falling in love with Naku and wanting and dreaming about a better life.

The different with Dutta and Baji is that Dutta do not want to be in the "dhanda" but Baji enjoys it...specially the power or the feeling to be looked up to - but in a positive way.dutta took the crime world seriously, he knew how when n where his family's life could be in danger whereas baaji was a little laid back no wonder there were so many security goof ups when he was around

About Dutta treating Baji very mean after the FR...it is very understandable..hmm its but still it was hurtful to see their friendship getting so badly affected ..his anger his frustration his rude behaviour ..everything is justified but i didnt quite like the way he started giving importance to suds in front of baaji ..it was his way of putting baaji down even though he knew of suds capabilities ...Baji let a women came between there trust and friendship...Baji took a strangers side and hided the true about something that he had no right to do in the first place.

I do not think that it was about Dutta not trusting Baji anymore...it was about Dutta being hurt and feeling alone.yeah he was hurt n alone coz everyone who he had trusted had taken him for a ride which was so not acceptable ... i mean what were they thinking that after marriage he will accept nakku without creating a ruckus ?? u remember the scene where before his SR , he was all nervous to go to his room and baaji , kishore n suds were pulling his leg ..at that point of time what was baaji thinking that all is well ?

Baji chose Naku over Dutta...does not matter how good his intention was...it was a betrayal and if you feel you got this person... who always got your back and you realize that you where wrong...that is very hurtful.

I think Dutta had every right to be upset with Baji and his family...Dutta's whole family hided a true from him because of some women and a stranger.seriously whats the point in hiding things , will they remain hidden forever ??..that is a very painful situation to be in.

No matter what feeling Dutta had for Kala...the right time for Naku telling the true...was when she run of and came back..bingo ..then the ball would have been in dutta's court ..he claimed to love her so then would he be prepared to accept her the way she was ? it would have been a test of his love .Dutta would have understood...Naku did not say yes to marring him because she had a secret and if she did come back and told Dutta the true...that would have shown her trust in him and showed that she do not want any secret between them.

Maybe Dutta would have had...a little hard time in the begining to figure out if she is the same women he fell in love with and who she really is...but at least it was not a betrayal.

About Baji turning the fan...got big problem with that and Babi too. Bab was being selfish..lol..right this whole mess was created by babi ..but if she was thinking about her daughter then baaji should have also thought about his friend , he n everybody very well knew that dutta didnt like lies ...Baji must be confused because of the whole thing about the secret...Naku...Ganpat...and Babi...

Naku was just using them as an excuse.i have just one question here ..when nakku said to babi that she is her world and she will reveal her face only when babi gives her permission but my dear did u fall in love after seeking ur mom's permission then why are u now following what she is saying ..she made them the reason for not tell the true...but the true is...she was not ready and afraid.

You can actually question here...Baji and Naku love Dutta a lot...but do they trust him.if i love n trust somebody i can't hide things from his/ her ..believe in him? They say they know him very well...but do they?

I do not think Baji was feeling he was alone...he loved his life..he was a happy go lucky guy but sometimes i felt he too needed someone to share his feelings with ..just an opinion...did not need anyone else than Dutta in his life...Baji is a character who takes days as they come...even though he is romantic (he was very involved in Dutta's love life) he did not feel the need to have a women in his life himself.

It of cause change when Madhu came in to the picture and Dutta got busy with his feelings toward Naku.

I would say Madhu.hmm may be but even her character was not well edged out ..i mean why did she come to patil niwas in the first place ..I did not like Roops charater in LTL.same here..but after reading " D-N The Eternal Story"...I really loved Roops character.😃

I have maybe been very harsh toward Naku and Baji...but that because I can relate to Dutta.. no problem😊

I am totally against people saying they love you very much...and they do care for you and there intention are always good...they think they know you and what is right for you...they make decision about your life and what they believe what you need...but they are wrong because in the end it is only you who know what you are ready for and what you need and only you should have the right to decide what is rigth for you.yup rightly said

Sorry for my long answers.plzz dont be sorry ..infact i lovvve long answers..😳

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tahera57

@tahera57

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

great post rose, hope to comeback with answers soon.

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anirka

@anirka

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

Have gone thru your question thru fast mode... so spare me if my answer deflects from the point...

When we analyse a character of the show... we do it as per our own thinking, morals and life values under which we have been brought up and we have been taught... But a show tries to reflect all the aspects of the character's life and sometimes it fails to connect the reality with their imagination required for TRPs... I am not here bringing out that there was failure in character of Baji... i want to bring to your notice the other aspect that is social...

I know that views may differ... and we can discuss it further... the view I would like to bring in front of my fellow members is raised from real life

So the question I think is abt Baji failed as a friend... and my aspect is here limited to the question raised of Dutta being introduced to underworld being a failure on part of Baji as a friend...

We haven't discussed abt the social conditions of Baji, Dutta and Dutta's family... We are not introduced to Baji's background and family roots in show... We don't know what was he taught as young kid and what moral values he was given... How he came across the underworld that even Dutta didn't know abt it... but Baji knew very well that whom he is required to meet and what he has to do ... he has only family as Dutta and somehow Dutta's family became his own... I would like to bring an example from real life... Till this age... I have come across various servants and maids and their families... And have found that most families from that section treat their kids as their manpower and earning resource... My family is against child labour and so we don't allow them to send their kids on work on their behalf... whereas none of our neighbours follow and abide by same law... I have seen same kids pick up the things from the houses and sale them to kabariwalas... and use that money in their amusement... If you complain to their respective parents... they come across with the excuse that "kid doesn't work at your place... so it shouldn't matter to you" or "bacha hi toh hai... sudhar jayega" and those house owners... they just will scold for a day and the process will restart as their work requirements are being fulfilled... And later I have seen these kids grown up into professional pickers and substance abusers...

So I mean to say that there are no moral values induced by the parents of those kids and it has been failure in part of society that those educated people didn't say no to the parents of kids that same day when first time they came to work... For me Baji is another failure on part of society...

Baji is also from a similar background... where he had no one to show him right path... May be for him earning money by killing people was not bad thing... However I haven't till date seen all episodes of LTL... But I don't think there was any remorse presented by Baji in any episode for being in this trade... However Dutta had been shown on various occasions... I believe that to Baji it didn't matter money comes which way... Only thing he yearned for a family that he looked upon at Dutta as... and for him only thing that mattered was what Dutta wanted... In a way he was a blind friend of Dutta... who complied to whatever Dutta said... I won't blame Baji for not being a true friend... as he himself didn't know the meaning of true friend... Nobody told him what is rigt path and what is wrong... Thats why he was more conversed with underworld people and business even before introduction of Dutta to underworld...

Will update later in reagrd to Batasha failure... if I will get time... 😳

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anirka

@anirka

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Ani_98

Anirka...😊
What a signature you got (love it) and what a situation you just put me in to last night. 😳

I was on the forum and was reading your post...my mom just looked...just as your signature appeared on the screen...me trying to close the page and my compute to freeze just there...the few seconds just seems like minutes.

She did not say anything...but...can you imagine what my mother must be thinking...Poor her daughter...been a single mom in so many years and is looking at...😆😳

Ani which one Sadda Haq wala yaan Aham brahmasmi wala (Bare Dutta in red)... 😆
Jokes Apart...

Sorry for putting you in such situation...
I was going thru some older posts and stumbled upon Love Story Thread... where Indu had posted this siggy... As you know abt my weird dreams... So to push myself out of those dreams I thought it might act as remedy Mishal As Akash with Shruti... 😳

But didn't know that it will create such fuss... waise bhi I m known for my weird siggies... you might remember ma chikna chamela pinku wala siggy... the day I pulled it off... whole forum sighed in relief as I got many 'thanks for removing that siggy' PMs... 😆

Sorry again... Do you want me to remove that siggy... tell me... I will remove it... 😳
Aur sab bhi abhi bata diyo... baad mein don't blame me... 😆

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Iridescence

@Iridescence1

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Rose! You have posed such wonderful question with added bits of your thoughts...so I guess here goes my thoughts on a few of these questions :)

1. was it right on his part to show dutta this path ?

I felt that Dutta-Baaji's past was not explored as much as it needed to be. To turn into such a life changing path at the drop of a hat surely doesn't make any sense to me either. And surely, I would agree that logically speaking as a friend you would try to console, support, and bring your friend out of his misery not feed the fire more..and push him into the more darker side of the lane. But I guess if I had to rationalize a reason as to why would Baaji support his friend rather than bring him out would be based on the assumption that he may have figured that nothing he says or does will bring this man back. If we have Dutta's character down right than listening is a bit of an issue for him. I feel that personality, qualities kind of root from far back. May be the person he was never had been seen to have an issue with listening for his life was not so complicated that people would try to tell him what to do, he was a happy guy living a decent life...but at a point when he shattered, and was so instable and vulnerable...Baaji saying anything may not have made any difference I dunno. But, personally, no I don't think taking Dutta in that direction was right...i think being the best friend ...he should've been more grounded and stubborn about what Dutta would be getting and avoided it all together...but then again where would this show be without Dutta Bhao...so Baaji forgiven for this deed

2. do u think Baaji was often taken for granted by dutta?

Most definitely ! Like you said he was almost like a punching bag. Dutta vents out his frustration and anger on him... I think it sort of comes more with the mindset that Baaji is his friend...understands him..and he has this right over him lol...now i feel partially its not only Dutta here...but at times Baaji's character was not shown as being able to carry out too much as the right hand man which i feel was ridiculous...they should've surely showed him at work and yes its only human to make mistakes so naturally it may happen and D may get angry (this is all work wise I mean) but Baaji's character could've had more depth and potential...often felt it lacked somewhere...now yes in terms of Dutta getting on Baaji's case for personal issues ...that was like argh! Esp the FR bit you have mentioned...I think if Dutta knows and understood Baaji (esp after the years they've know each other and everything they went through together) I expected he would think at least that Baaji may have done with reason. Dutta knows Baaji lives for him and would do anything for that family yet i felt the bond and link btwn the two characters missed a beat somewhere during that track making the entire thing messed up ...

3. why did Baaji turn the fan in her direction and mislead her?

This was one I never understood ... and could not even reason... one thing I absolutely disagreed with in this show was the when the FR happened...I mean c'mon you marry him and then tell him ..that just had disaster written all over it...who wouldn't considered himself betrayed...gosh but anyway..I can't make head or tail of this scene...possibly just for the sake of dragging...maybe Baaji was a little nervous as well as surely this wouldn't go down to well with Dutta...and i think Baaji mentions later that it had something to do with the fact that he was in the middle of the Kala issues and then his dad came in picture ..so he may not have even given a ear to hear anything out...but beats me really ...

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