Angie's thoughts - August 31, 2011 - Page 2

Originally posted by: chipak

Thanks Angie for writing such a powerful views on todays episode. Seema, thanks..I liked Dev standing against RP for supporting what is right and i am impressed how easily you pointed out the lack of proper dialogues form Devs part with CVs intention to project it as Dharma vs Love trcak whereas its actually is Dharma (dev) vs Adharma (Sr. RP). I always thought it was right vs wrong but never able to understand why Cvs are not giving Dev anything more proper to counter RPs empty words of Drama and just given lines abt his duties to support his Wife. But today wrour explicit words knocked this sense that its Cvs way to balance RPs empty words with Devs single point mission to safeguard his love whereas Devs stance is much more stronger here..much more papable but its not supported fully by lines given to him...But today atleast one step higher than his last two days dialogues and this actions against RP stole the show..despite these flaws i really likes his sparkling attitude... Seema, that was my problem with the scenes. Dev was excellent and his arguments were to counter constant harping of dharam by RP. He did say that it was against dharam to leave one's wife and this is not sanctioned by God. But he could have been given more hard-hitting dialogues about dharam being above the society and what RP was quoting was society rules and not dharam. His words did imply that and he was very steadfast in his decision. But again the powerful dialogues were not there. But I was happy that at least he was given the focus in this episode as they had done injustice to Dev's character since that ME of July. Dev was the star of the show and for that reason I enjoyed the episode immensely barring Radhika's scene with him in front of Dada.

Rads character has been a major let down in this whole trcak and she has been chnaged completely. Its expected that she is under Rps heavy influence but being a strong willed person she is, a fighter she shud not put this flawed RP on high grounds..almost like some godsend man who cannot make mistakes. She shud atleast let dev handle his DD. She is not considering that fcat that she might be disrespecting Devs mother here by supporting the same wrondoings of RP. she is being as irrational as RP and that is major letdown. She is in no position to think or act rationally and leaving her husband is her choice to support Adarm and shud not expect either Dev or BH to support her..she shud not blame kanha for all this...i just wish rads to not stop MS tomorrow...

I don't have problem with Radhika's actions as I had anticipated it long before (during Rohan's track when she came as a fake wife). The title of the show is "sawre ke rang rachi". So she is going to do whatever is good for Dev. That's why this dharam and adharam things become secondary to her. For Dev, she came as a fake wife and for Dev, she broke from her beliefs and agreed to stay with Rohan in his room (even though technically she didn't stay there). So for Dev, she would walk away from him. However, her dialogues when she stopped him were really bad. They made it seem as if this Radhika is a different Radhika from what was implied in the theme. This Radhika was a transplant from CB1, but she doesn't belong here as it is a different story. So I can't see her character using words like "Dada's decisions are final" for her. If Dada asks her to remarry, would she do it? No...she wouldn't. So either give her a monologue where she is shown thinking that what she said was false. She is only doing it to make sure that Dev's rights are not taken away again. If Dada is not with them, then Dev would face difficulty from hypocritical religious society. So she doesn't want to take that support away from him. Or show a conversation between Dev and her where she can express her viewpoint. Even when she agreed to Rohan's blackmail, they gave her a monologue where she said that she is doing her wifely duty of protecting her husband and that's why she had to give up her beliefs. But here they are not giving her anything. Ever since RP summoned her, they are giving her dharam, society, family dialogues and they are nonsense as they don't fit Radhika's character.

BH is fine to voice her dissent to entire episode as this includes her also..all meaningful lines to her once again😉 but somehow today i dont mind it provided her presense and scope is contained in upcoming track (highely unlikely)...Bh is with free will she shud leave this house without much ado..she is under no obligation to accept whtever RP or Rads says. its her life and she shud not start feeling guilt..coz whtever she did cant be undone now (however wrong that was), she asked for forgiveness and more that that she shud not interfere now...but being a impulsive yet true frd she is its just matter ofone more day and we may see second gulit ridden rads in making and then she will agree to DDg to become Devs second wife (in case if thats his last wish before dying and Dev has to agree on it) or to Rads to act as fake wife (in case DDg dies out of shock before saying anything and rads decide to save Rpship with her resolution to upheld DDgs wish and Dev just relent to play as fake husband without marrying).. Barkha has a perfect right to express her opposition to this second marraige as it is her life and RP has no right to play with it. That's why I was fine with her yesterday and I was fine with her today in the last scene. But I didn't like her in that first scene because it was Dev's fight and not hers. Dada has a right to throw her out of the house or never to talk to her again, but has no right to dictate her or make choices for her. Has he asked her mother for permission that her daughter can be somebody's second wife especially when that person is never going to accept another woman? I am hoping that Radhika is not destroyed that way where she goes and makes her friend act as Dev's second wife. So will wait to see what they show. It is likely that promo where Radhika comes with sindoor and bangles and gives them to Dev is symbolic of what they showed today. Previously too they had shown Padma smilingly asking Radhika to move in with Rohan with a passive Dev looking sad. The actual episode was entirely different.

Coming to Rp and his platan (Daima here0..i have no words for this gutless spineless coward person and dont know why people around hm treats him like demigod..he is good for nothing. If he ever had any single trait of RP he shud have known Dev is having true qulaities of RP but here he is continuosly misjudging Dev's will to protect his dharma and forcing him to do what is undesirable. When dev is begging him to understand him he even then was hvaing same arrogant attitude which makes me hate his charcater 100 times more...lets see how he reacts tomorrow with new revelation or he does not get time to react even and packs off his bags and zooom...but must say he brought in new dimension to teh story..will do that even after his death...only complain is from Cv to have balanced out Dev and RP scene..RP (minus two episodestodays and moohdhikaayi one) overpowered Devs presense in the scenes..

RP knows that Dev is a true RP material and so does Mahant. But they are typical hypocritical egomaniacs who want to control others by using high words such as "dharam", "society" and such. Dada was not reacting to anything Dev was saying. His only response was fury in his eyes at Dev's rebellion. I don't find that RP overpowers Dev as Dev holds his own. RP is a forceful personality but so is Dev. In fact, Dev is stronger than RP as he doesn't raise his voice against RP, but shows his opposition to him nevertheless. Last time too he walked out on RP and questioned him continuously when RP tried to use his position. Dev is a righteous personality and hence RP is helpless in front of him. Rohan too used to have the same reaction. Initially, he thought that Dev's status and his obligations that were keeping Dev quiet (when he was called a servant) implied weakness. He realized his mistake soon and that's when he started hitting Dev from behind rather than from the front as he got defeated again and again. Here Dada is also using Radhika to control Dev but is being unsuccessful as Dev has grown stronger.

I like Dada's character in the story and would have preferred his character to stay in the story as such complex grey or negative characters make a story more interesting. One dimensional characters bore me.

Agree there are some lines where i was expecting Dev to speak up more..like when he asked abt Rads i wanted him to include his mother to and then question Rps stand on it..Given he is respecting his DDg and not bringing up his mother or father (for which BH is used) then what abt standing up to society to let them know what is right..these kind of strong arguments from Dev wud have made the episode more strong..anyways happy with whtever is shown for timebeing 9unlike yest whr i was scratching my brains out😉) rads was already brought down and today even more that she is close to pe termed as ADD..she is made akin to RP. Here I will take Misti's analysis and now give him the benefit of doubt. I wrote that he didn't want to attack Dada in his weak state. Misti wrote that it was also Padma that stopped Dev from bringing his mother. If they had kept Dada alive for Chaya track, it would have been a perfect time or it was best to bring this up right after the ME.

actingwise nothing much to say since these actors are best in these emotional scenes with variations..i did not see it so wont comment but as lawys i trust AviNa to deliver best. as for RP- Rakesh ji i have not seen his work much but as everyone says he is veteran actor and he is given such strong scope then he must be doing good job given he is garnering same hate as Amma of Cb1.

Yes, Avinash and Rubina always delivers in such scenes. They were excellent today. This is the first time I have seen Rakesh Pandey and I am very impressed with him. He is a very good actor. Too bad that they are finishing his role probably this week. Would have preferred to see a longer role for him especially if they go for Chaya track. Not sure if creatives would do that. In CB1, they did injustice to Radhika's background.

Dada is a fool when he doesn't realize that Dev was acting like a true RP. So he was fulfilling his duties both as a husband and a RP even without becoming one.

yes yes and Yes cudnot agree more here..Rp is being foolish to not notice how righteous and perfect fit for RPship he is..but he is insecure as to how someone else can me more convincig than him.his ego blinding him. Dev first trying to make his DD understand and then declarig to RP that he will follow what is right (here his wife) no matter what is hatsoff👏

Not sure if RP is not noticing Dev's qualities. But he is not understanding that Dev is capable of standing up to false protectors of dharam like him. Dev's past actions (when he kidnapped Radhika and yet came back for him despite danger to his life) and current actions (of not giving up Radhika) should convince him that Dev is a strong personality who can handle everything. But he doesn't want to give him chance because if Dev is proven right, that implies RP's decisions throughout his life (of spoiling the lives of Hari's family that includes Hari, Chaya, Padma, Dev and Rohan) were wrong. RP doesn't want to face his own true image. Probably Mansa would do that and RP won't be able to bear the truth about himself.

His arguments were better than My wife statements that hes been saying since moohdikhai👏Always like Stronger Dev..he is counter ro rads dumbed down charcater but even this strong Dev is match for headstrong rads who is just supporting Rps will

His arguments were much stronger today and different from what he has been given so far. So I was happy about that. I won't call Radhika dumb in today's episode despite those cringe-worthy lines that were given to her. But Radhika is definitely headstrong when she decides on a course. But then so is Dev and he is a perfect match for her. Previously he was being bullheaded but was wrong. Radhika's stubbornness made him realize his mistakes. This time hopefully Radhika would learn that she was making a big mistake in giving up Dev.

It is not dharam vs. love. This battle is between right (dharam) and wrong (adharam). Dev is on the right side regardless of whether Radhika is his soulmate or not and Dada is on the wrong side. Dev used to be given such dialogues in CB1 and that's why his character was so beloved to viewers. Here despite the logic of the scene, he is not given such dialogues. Instead Barkha gets them if they are at all written. hhhmmm those wer the golden days angie . Yes, I remember that episode that was concentrated on Dev, Vaishali and Shastriji. It was such a good episode where Dev talked about giving up his family for the right cause. I wish they would write good episodes for Dev and Radhika. They shortchanged their scenes during the Rohan track and they are now doing worse to Dev and Radhika. Today's episode was an improvement though.

Yes when Dev asked DD abt rads and here i wanted him to bring up his mother..this shud have made RP on back foot. 23yrs back he did same to Devs mother and now to rads shud have been well brought up (this point did came out from Bh but feebly and then stopped by rads). here not only RP but rads to is not showing any respect to Chayya by suppoting this second marraige..anyways if its for RPs health Dev is not bringing anything abt past then i support but if its Cvs part to skip it then they shud not have,

This past about Chaya should have come after ME between the conversation between Dev and Dada and Dev and Radhika. They skipped those scenes. That's why I wanted Chaya to be brought back so that this issue can be revisited. But if Dada dies, then this issue would never again come up.

. 👏👏👏Dev babu keep your attitude this way even if tomorrow RP or Rads make him do the undesirable by some deathbed wish scene..dont wnat him to do anything stupid tomorrow or rads to do anything more stupidier (but i wonder if there is nany such act more stupid then her todays one). Lets see what they show towards the end of this week. The promo wasn't very encouraging.

Wow what was her charcater before and what they have made her now..she was fighter then and now she is rady to resign..then she had full faith in ker Kanha and KK but now faith only in RP...i can understand her given teh situations but completely kiiling her essesnse is beyond my belief and thsu i dd not like her actions today..knwoing that she will be supporting RP but her refusal to listen Dev was not well evenif all what she is doing is for Dev...She is doing what dev did during rads-Rohan marraige even worse..here she is marraied to Dev and expect Dev to accpet whatever is good for him without question..

Yes, it is hard to reconcile this Radhika with Radhika shown until July's ME. The theme has changed and they are changing Radhika for their new tracks.

it was ok for her to go against society for her K but now the same thing is applied to Dev. Now its ok for Dev to go against nayone to fulfill his duties but since rads is not bale to see this plain logic hse is just speaking on behalf of RP

That's why I wanted a more proper scene between Dev and Radhika. Radhika has her reasons to heed the society now. But Dev can confront her about it by bringing up her past behavior. Radhika can still say that she didn't worry about society rules and that's why she is paying so heavily now where her reputation is coming in Dev's way of becoming RP. So she doesn't want to do the same mistake again. So Radhika can still act the way she is acting as long as they provide her POV. Right now her POV (Dada's word is the law, dharam defined as listening to society even if that society is wrong is supreme and all such nonsense lines) makes her a different character.

yes but what she is doing..assuming decisions for Dev and to some extent Brakha..same what BH did I didnot like her shutting Brakha saying she shud not speak up infront of RP..she herself putting this old man to higher status thereby inflating is self proclaimed righteous ego

I was actually happy with Radhika shutting up Barkha because Barkha really has no rights to make decisions on Radhika's behalf. It is Radhika's life and Barkha has messed it up with her lies. I would have liked an open marriage even if it was against family's approval.

Dev will not leave and i belive in coming days Bband viraat will not be major players but will be theri o make rads life lil more hell..i am counting on Rohan to comeback and with padma chnage the game from fake wie to some other level..maybe chnaging Brakha even thereby leaving raDev rto tackle all evils and hence once gain make them act as leads

Yeah, Rohan would be back and it should be interesting to see him with Padma and Virat/BB. He plays his own games and so that combination would be interesting (assuming creatives don't mess up Rohan's character).

Mohini (she supports BH??)and Padma were stunned at Dada's ruthlessness even though Padma expected it. Padma has compassion towards Dev and Radhika. (How long will be interesting..after her dear son coomes back them i am assuming Dev and rads will be with no support that is if BH too is made lil negative here..dont know dont want but major possibility) Yess and shud not be made one side positive chacarter for always. Yes, I want to see her reaction after Rohan comes back. She is obsessed about her son and BB can use this weakness very well. I see BB as Manthra at that time.

Angie i think thts this is it to Dev-dada confrontation and tomorrow we may either see him instantly succumbing to shock or hand on to ask for his last wish (in that case i dont know how Dev will be able to say no) coz repentence option is nowhr in sight..i wil be surprised id RP is hsown regretting beofre he dies..and i just hope Cvs let MS disclose everything

I am hoping for a proper Mansa RP confrontation and Dev be part of that episode too. Lets see what they show tomorrow.

Overall liked the episode and did not scrutinize much and only after reading your thoughts i cud think more clearly on it..thanks for that and really liked all your points...Thaks and Happy Ganesh Chathurthi. Thanks.

Happy Ganesh Chaturthi to you too. I too liked the episode. It wasn't perfect for me but I can take it over other recent episodes.

Originally posted by: rajsri

enjoyed reading your thoughts, Angie ... and love the back and forth on this thread. Thanks, Rajsri.

Agree with most of what has been said about how they can tighten certain aspects of the show ... not a whole lot of new things to add.

As far as Rads is concerned, i do agree that the dialogue about her not respecting him was not needed but she was trying desperately to make dev change his mind and put some distance between them ... i got why she was doing this ... but they need to give her a monologue to show what she is going through ... also thought it was appropriate that she shut up barkha but hope she does not persuade her to stay back and marry dev ... rads is stubborn, has been brainwashed into thinking she is bad for dev and so will not easily back down from her stance ... the way i see it, the only way dev can get through to her is to pretend that he is injured and only her pooja and staying nearby can help him or to forcibly order her to stay - she is his wife and not dadaji's and has to listen to him and not to dadaji 😊 I am ok with her actions but not her words. At the minimum, they need to show a monologue for her but that is missing for last several episodes. Dev does have to bring his being the husband. But he is not the sort of person who would use that to control her. Otherwise, he can easily order to stay with him. But if his life or even status is threatened without her presence, then she would herself stay.

I have mixed reactions to the amount of dialogues given to dev today ... would have liked him to have had more but again, dev from cb2 is the quiet, silent, determined type (unlike dev from cb1) ... he respects dadaji a lot but has figured out that he cannot change his mind so decides to leave with his wife ... i see him more as a man of action ... i think he spoke just what he needed to - to persuade dadaji to listen to him - bringing up his mother would have hurt padma; and bringing up dharma i think would have been too preachy especially when he know it would not have helped his case. I am not expecting him to be like Dev of CB1 who was pampered all his life. But, I wanted more powerful dialogues from him but they were not given to him. Agree that he may have kept silent about Chaya in deference to Dada's health and Padma's feelings. As Misti pointed out, his questioning Dada ignoring Radhika's plight showed that he understands how his mother was mistreated by Dada and he doesn't want history to be repeated. I didn't want his dialogues to be preachy but he had to bring up dharam being above the society. So if one has to protect dharam, they have to oppose society if society is wrong. They could have given him easily few dialogues that were logical and not preachy.

Right now, his primary need to keep rads is driven by his love for her ... i think his sense of dharm etc will come in later - dev from cb1 was much more evolved since he had the influence of dadi - this dev has all the qualities to be a RP but is still driven more by the need to protect and take care of rads. I think this Dev is now fully evolved too after his experiences with PF, Rohan's truth, living with Radhika for a month and then seeing what was done to his mother and him by Dada. So I think he has now got the sense of wrong and right. Both protecting Radhika and being on the right side are not mutually exclusive. In this, Dev is right on everything.

in a few episodes i do want a major confrontation between rads and dev ... Not sure if we will get one. We never got a proper confrontation between Dev and Radhika before when he was under his obligations.
Also would like dev to breakdown in front of rads and talk abt his mother and how apart from dadaji there has been no one in his life he has felt close to except her. That scene would probably never be given to him even though it is long overdue. He can tell her how her decision to leave him is similar to Chaya's and the previous decision never yielded the desired results. But then how does Barkha as a fake wife can be inserted here.

Really wish dadaji was not dying ... love the multiple layers to his personality and rakesh pandey is excellent ... love his chemistry with rads and dev ... and would have loved to have seen dev and rads reform him . Yes. Dada should have remained alive to see how Dev is successful by doing the right thing and he needs to repent for all he has done. His confrontation with Chaya will never be shown now. Also Rakesh Pandey is a very good actor and his and Dev's fights make the episodes interesting.
As some of you have said, Padma is a fascinating character too (the actress is also very good( ... hope they keep her grey. Making Padma white or black doesn't go with her characterization. She can easily drive future tracks if she remains grey and tilts to one side or other due to her insecurities and weaknesses.
I am fine with Barkha ... but in doses that are limited ... dont want her and rohan to be made the main leads Yes.

Rubina has evolved into a fabulous actress - loved her in all of the episodes . Rubina has been great in CB2. She has shown all variations of emotions in various tracks. I cannot imagine anybody else as Radhika.
Avinash, who I have always thought was a fabulous actor can easily dominate the screen if given the right dialogues and screenplay. Avinash has an amazing screen presence and he has good body language, perfect voice modulation and expressive eyes. For many episodes (where he wasn't given any lines), his expressions were enough to show his emotions.

Originally posted by: august123

in part2 when dev asks dadaji that what will happen to radhika after his decision, dada backtracks and says that i know u and radhika are not at fault but still rads cannot stay as ur wife, dev's expression were priceless. Avinash acted this scene quite superbly (waise to he is superb in every scene). his exasperation for the adamant and stubborn old man was effectively portrayed by dev, and it almost looked like that he will just stand and shake this old man so hard that all his senses come into right place. i could watch this scene again and again.👏 Yes, Dev's expressions change from trying to make Dada understand to exasperation and losing his patience. He released Dada's hands and got away from him. He stopped reasoning and just issued the final ultimatum that he too would leave with Radhika. He knew that there is no more reasoning with this guy. He then told her about honoring a relationship he himself had formed and that he would follow his dharam and Dada can do whatever he wants. He asked for the forgiveness in not abiding by Dada's decision and then left. Very good scene.

one more scene that is etched in my mind from cb2 is , when during some vrat ceremony dev was standing on a stool and radhika comes and put sindoor on his feet, his reaction was superby portrayed by avi.👏 Yes, Avinash has such expressive eyes and good body language that he can portray emotions without having any lines. That's why my frustration with last several weeks where he was given the minimal scenes and dialogues. His scenes mainly involved gazing in Radhika's eyes or using some feeble lines. Here the track is fully concentrated on him and he the lead is not given scenes to perform despite having great talent and immense screen presence. Both he and Ruby were very good in that scene as neither had any lines.