Angie's thoughts - August 31, 2011

Today's episode was partly interesting and partly as I expected. The episode that should have been a powerful episode was again really very average. It is what they are doing to characters of Dev and Radhika to accommodate their upcoming tracks. The theme of the show has changed even though they still are using the words from the old theme.

So I will again start with the acting.

It was Dev's episode today followed by some of Radhika (whom I didn't like that much because of her dialogues with Dev). Avinash was excellent in his soft confrontation with Dada and then with angry confrontation with Radhika at the end. I also liked his helpless looks as it is not Dada whom he finds hard to tackle, but it is Radhika's adamant decision that he is finding hard to counter. Of course, writers are not giving him dialogues that he can use to show Radhika how wrong she is.

Ruby was also very good, but her original character is disappearing because of the dialogues she is being given. But I liked her as somebody who has made a decision that goes against her will and is getting pulled apart with this. I liked her in the last scene when she is clutching sindoor to her and then resolutely gives it to Dev against her will. Rakesh Pandey as Dada was given few dialogues but he was really good with showing Dada as feeble yet strong in sticking to his decision. He was good as Dada who speaks little but is doing exactly what he wants. I liked his silent fury at his inability to control Dev and righteous of Dev that he cannot counter. But he has brainwashed Radhika to the extent that she is doing Dada's work.

Now to the episode:

Let me start with first Dev today. His scene with Dada was incomplete and I have complaints about that. But let me start with the good part first. I liked his tone that he used with Dada. It was soft yet firm. His demeanor was respectful towards Dada but his words showed his inner strength and righteousness. He held Dada's hand to make him understand and realize his mistakes which obviously Dada wouldn't because he is such an egoist. Then I liked that Dev refused to be emotionally blackmailed by Padma's clingy behavior. He knows that he is on right side and he was sticking to that. So he brushed aside Padma and I was really happy about that part. Dada is a fool when he doesn't realize that Dev was acting like a true RP. So he was fulfilling his duties both as a husband and a RP even without becoming one.

Dev was clearly teaching Dada about dharam and adharam when he mentioned that leaving his wife whom he married with all rituals is a bigger sin than facing the society. Also, I liked that he told Dada that nobody would question him for giving up RP title (he shouldn't give it up anyway), but even God won't forgive him if he discards Radhika. This is a true sense of dharam which Dada is not able to understand. Also liked it when he questioned Dada about not thinking about Radhika's fate. Radhika will not marry anyone else and she can't live with her family. As usual Dada had no reply but went on to state that he knows that Dev and Radhika didn't deceive him. Does that answer Dev's question; what does it have to do with anything? Even if they deceived him, it doesn't negate the fact that they are both married. What if Radhika had wanted to marry Dev and they had openly got married with or without anybody's approval. Would he have still wanted Dev to leave Radhika. Then the hypocrite Dada continues that she still has to leave the home. No assurance to Dev that he would look after Radhika's future or any such thing. Why would he? He is used to leaving people behind in dust (did that to Chaya and Dev in the past).

Now that brings up Chaya. Why is Barkha bringing up Dev's father? It should have been Dev who should have brought his mother as an example. Ok, I can even understand that Dev being a gentle soul (unlike his ruthless Dada), he wouldn't throw it in Dada's face in this weak health. So they are giving Barkha his dialogue. But what about society and dharam dialogues. These repetitions of Dada's dharam dialogues without any counter argument from Dev is repelling to average audience. It turns an episode that could be excellent into something average. The reason Dev is not being given these dialogues because they are making this struggle as dharam vs. love again to suit their track. It is not dharam vs. love. This battle is between right (dharam) and wrong (adharam). Dev is on the right side regardless of whether Radhika is his soulmate or not and Dada is on the wrong side. Dev used to be given such dialogues in CB1 and that's why his character was so beloved to viewers. Here despite the logic of the scene, he is not given such dialogues. Instead Barkha gets them if they are at all written.

Dev did get one dialogue where he told Dada that he can do everything ' be a son, grandson, husband and a RP if he is given one chance. But he wouldn't be a good RP without Radhika at his side as he would have no identity and be incomplete (this was told to Padma who tried to stop him from leaving). Dev was also given some nice dialogues that a relationship with wife is something that one forges as every other relation is inherited. So it is his duty to maintain that relationship that he himself formed.

Again he could have been dialogues on dharam and society that he could have used with Dada. But he was not given any. Obviously nothing would dent Dada's egoistic behavior, so why not give it to Dev? Why not make a scene even more powerful where Dev talks about society and how society has to be taught if something is being done wrong. Isn't that what Anna Hazare is doing when he is challenging the corrupt system in the country? You can't follow society rules (especially when you are in charge of making rules) if they are wrong. But again if they give them, how can creatives justify whatever is coming next. So they are keeping Dev as this lover for whom love comes first over everything. It is not only love that comes first for Dev. It is also doing whatever is right even if it means opposing his beloved Dada.

That brings me to my next candidate Radhika. Now Radhika has been my favorite character in CB2 just because she is gutsy, follows her heart and has a sense of wrong and right. So she didn't care for society, family, elders etc. in her quest to get Dev. Now her character is being changed. I can totally understand her decision to abide by Dada's decree as she is doing it for Dev.

Now to other characters:

I liked Dada who was consistent with his usual manipulative self. There was no consideration for Radhika in anything. He was angry at Dev and then questioned his decision as being selfish because he was not fulfilling the roles of son, grandson and a future RP. Dev's answer did not make any difference to him either. He was happy that Radhika is now convincing Dev. Then he was ready to leave when Dai interrupted Barkha's plea (Dai being the useful servant who knows when to put a stop to things that are not going their way). Then I loved his reaction when Mansa reached there. He wanted to do his dirty work as before without involving Radhika's father. He knew that when Radhika leaves, she would not go back to her family. Now Mansa's arrival has complicated everything and he wasn't pleased to see him.

Maheswari and Virat were smirking as things were going their way. If Dev leaves with Radhika, that opens door for Virat as Rohan is missing. If he doesn't leave and loses Radhika, then too they not only get their revenge on Radhika but it also helps them as there would be a wall between Dada and Dev and they can use that for their own advantage.

Mohini and Padma were stunned at Dada's ruthlessness even though Padma expected it. Padma has compassion towards Dev and Radhika. But she doesn't want Dev to leave the house as he is her support. So again her own security was paramount over Radhika's plight. That's why I like this character. They don't need Barkha or any artificial triangle track when characters like Padma and Dada are there. But unfortunately, they are going towards killing Dada and doing whatever to the story. Anyway, I like her in scenes these days as her reactions are interesting. I too would like to see her as Kaikayi as she so suits that role. Sushmita is excellent in this grey character.

Ignoring Dai and Barkha who had nothing much to add. Both are irritating, but Barkha was bearable in the last scene. She was of course very irritating in the first scene and I am glad that Radhika shut her up. Dai wasn't and that's because she is not a human being. At last Dada pretends to look remorseful when he is doing all his wrongs in the name of dharam. She doesn't even have that. All there is a stony look from her face. She couldn't even appreciate Radhika's sacrifice. There is definitely jealousy now on her part. Previously, she was fond of Radhika when Radhika was looking after RP or the entire family. But now her importance to Dev is so obvious where Dev who never said a word against the family is willing to leave them, she can't wait to see the last of Radhika. Dev better understand that this Dai is his enemy as she is Radhika's enemy now.

But loved that Mansa is here. Mansa is very protective of his daughter. He was stunned to see Barkha in unmarried clothes and Radhika as a bride. I am happy that it would be Mansa (rather than Barkha) who would disclose the childhood marriage. Dada has to be brought down to earth and who better than low class, uneducated Julaha Mansa who shows this educated, upper class RP the mirror. But today Dev was the hero and then it was Mansa (for showing up at the right time) who would be my favorite again tomorrow.I am waiting to see a confrontation between Mansa and Dada.

But will it again be incomplete as the confrontation between Dev and Dada was incomplete? Knowing the creatives, I don't have high hopes.

Originally posted by: why6

Friends, I am substituting for Misti as I write my comments when Misti writes her updates.

Today's episode was partly interesting and partly as I expected. The episode that should have been a powerful episode was again really very average. It is what they are doing to characters of Dev and Radhika to accommodate their upcoming tracks. The theme of the show has changed even though they still are using the words from the old theme.

Agree there are some lines where i was expecting Dev to speak up more..like when he asked abt Rads i wanted him to include his mother to and then question Rps stand on it..Given he is respecting his DDg and not bringing up his mother or father (for which BH is used) then what abt standing up to society to let them know what is right..these kind of strong arguments from Dev wud have made the episode more strong..anyways happy with whtever is shown for timebeing 9unlike yest whr i was scratching my brains out😉) rads was already brought down and today even more that she is close to pe termed as ADD..she is made akin to RP

So I will again start with the acting.

It was Dev's episode today followed by some of Radhika (whom I didn't like that much because of her dialogues with Dev). Avinash was excellent in his soft confrontation with Dada and then with angry confrontation with Radhika at the end. I also liked his helpless looks as it is not Dada whom he finds hard to tackle, but it is Radhika's adamant decision that he is finding hard to counter. Of course, writers are not giving him dialogues that he can use to show Radhika how wrong she is.

Ruby was also very good, but her original character is disappearing because of the dialogues she is being given. But I liked her as somebody who has made a decision that goes against her will and is getting pulled apart with this. I liked her in the last scene when she is clutching sindoor to her and then resolutely gives it to Dev against her will. Rakesh Pandey as Dada was given few dialogues but he was really good with showing Dada as feeble yet strong in sticking to his decision. He was good as Dada who speaks little but is doing exactly what he wants. I liked his silent fury at his inability to control Dev and righteous of Dev that he cannot counter. But he has brainwashed Radhika to the extent that she is doing Dada's work.

actingwise nothing much to say since these actors are best in these emotional scenes with variations..i did not see it so wont comment but as lawys i trust AviNa to deliver best. as for RP- Rakesh ji i have not seen his work much but as everyone says he is veteran actor and he is given such strong scope then he must be doing good job given he is garnering same hate as Amma of Cb1.

Now to the episode:

Let me start with first Dev today. His scene with Dada was incomplete and I have complaints about that. But let me start with the good part first. I liked his tone that he used with Dada. It was soft yet firm. His demeanor was respectful towards Dada but his words showed his inner strength and righteousness. He held Dada's hand to make him understand and realize his mistakes which obviously Dada wouldn't because he is such an egoist. Then I liked that Dev refused to be emotionally blackmailed by Padma's clingy behavior. He knows that he is on right side and he was sticking to that. So he brushed aside Padma and I was really happy about that part. Dada is a fool when he doesn't realize that Dev was acting like a true RP. So he was fulfilling his duties both as a husband and a RP even without becoming one.

yes yes and Yes cudnot agree more here..Rp is being foolish to not notice how righteous and perfect fit for RPship he is..but he is insecure as to how someone else can me more convincig than him.his ego blinding him. Dev first trying to make his DD understand and then declarig to RP that he will follow what is right (here his wife) no matter what is hatsoff👏

Dev was clearly teaching Dada about dharam and adharam when he mentioned that leaving his wife whom he married with all rituals is a bigger sin than facing the society. Also, I liked that he told Dada that nobody would question him for giving up RP title (he shouldn't give it up anyway), but even God won't forgive him if he discards Radhika. This is a true sense of dharam which Dada is not able to understand. Also liked it when he questioned Dada about not thinking about Radhika's fate. Radhika will not marry anyone else and she can't live with her family. As usual Dada had no reply but went on to state that he knows that Dev and Radhika didn't deceive him. Does that answer Dev's question; what does it have to do with anything? Even if they deceived him, it doesn't negate the fact that they are both married. What if Radhika had wanted to marry Dev and they had openly got married with or without anybody's approval. Would he have still wanted Dev to leave Radhika. Then the hypocrite Dada continues that she still has to leave the home. No assurance to Dev that he would look after Radhika's future or any such thing. Why would he? He is used to leaving people behind in dust (did that to Chaya and Dev in the past).

His arguments were better than My wife statements that hes been saying since moohdikhai👏Always like Stronger Dev..he is counter ro rads dumbed down charcater but even this strong Dev is match for headstrong rads who is just supporting Rps will

Now that brings up Chaya. Why is Barkha bringing up Dev's father? It should have been Dev who should have brought his mother as an example. Ok, I can even understand that Dev being a gentle soul (unlike his ruthless Dada), he wouldn't throw it in Dada's face in this weak health. So they are giving Barkha his dialogue. But what about society and dharam dialogues. These repetitions of Dada's dharam dialogues without any counter argument from Dev is repelling to average audience. It turns an episode that could be excellent into something average. The reason Dev is not being given these dialogues because they are making this struggle as dharam vs. love again to suit their track. It is not dharam vs. love. This battle is between right (dharam) and wrong (adharam). Dev is on the right side regardless of whether Radhika is his soulmate or not and Dada is on the wrong side. Dev used to be given such dialogues in CB1 and that's why his character was so beloved to viewers. Here despite the logic of the scene, he is not given such dialogues. Instead Barkha gets them if they are at all written. hhhmmm those wer the golden days angie

Yes when Dev asked DD abt rads and here i wanted him to bring up his mother..this shud have made RP on back foot. 23yrs back he did same to Devs mother and now to rads shud have been well brought up (this point did came out from Bh but feebly and then stopped by rads). here not only RP but rads to is not showing any respect to Chayya by suppoting this second marraige..anyways if its for RPs health Dev is not bringing anything abt past then i support but if its Cvs part to skip it then they shud not have

Dev did get one dialogue where he told Dada that he can do everything ' be a son, grandson, husband and a RP if he is given one chance. But he wouldn't be a good RP without Radhika at his side as he would have no identity and be incomplete (this was told to Padma who tried to stop him from leaving). Dev was also given some nice dialogues that a relationship with wife is something that one forges as every other relation is inherited. So it is his duty to maintain that relationship that he himself formed. 👏👏👏Dev babu keep your attitude this way even if tomorrow RP or Rads make him do the undesirable by some deathbed wish scene..dont wnat him to do anything stupid tomorrow or rads to do anything more stupidier (but i wonder if there is nany such act more stupid then her todays one)

Again he could have been dialogues on dharam and society that he could have used with Dada. But he was not given any. Obviously nothing would dent Dada's egoistic behavior, so why not give it to Dev? Why not make a scene even more powerful where Dev talks about society and how society has to be taught if something is being done wrong. Isn't that what Anna Hazare is doing when he is challenging the corrupt system in the country? You can't follow society rules (especially when you are in charge of making rules) if they are wrong. But again if they give them, how can creatives justify whatever is coming next. So they are keeping Dev as this lover for whom love comes first over everything. It is not only love that comes first for Dev. It is also doing whatever is right even if it means opposing his beloved Dada.

Completely support your viewpoint here..and you have written it more clearly...

That brings me to my next candidate Radhika. Now Radhika has been my favorite character in CB2 just because she is gutsy, follows her heart and has a sense of wrong and right. So she didn't care for society, family, elders etc. in her quest to get Dev. Now her character is being changed. I can totally understand her decision to abide by Dada's decree as she is doing it for Dev.

But dialogues given to her with Dev were atrocious. She tells him that it is their duty to follow Dada's rules and he would lose her respect if he doesn't do so. As a future RPtain and a follower of Kanha, she should know that Kanha opposed his elders (his uncle, older brother, She told Dev that she respected him because he followed traditions and family rules. But she was the one who asked him to break that (disregard Dada's dreams for Rohan etc.) and accept her love. She didn't follow her father when he asked her to go back to Rohan. She chose Dev over everyone.

Wow what was her charcater before and what they have made her now..she was fighter then and now she is rady to resign..then she had full faith in ker Kanha and KK but now faith only in RP...i can understand her given teh situations but completely kiiling her essesnse is beyond my belief and thsu i dd not like her actions today..knwoing that she will be supporting RP but her refusal to listen Dev was not well evenif all what she is doing is for Dev...She is doing what dev did during rads-Rohan marraige even worse..here she is marraied to Dev and expect Dev to accpet whatever is good for him without question..

So words like duty, Dada's decisions, RP title are all secondary to her in front of Dev. Now she can use such dialogues to discourage Dev. But show her thinking that she is hurting Dev this way for his own good. No, it is as if Radhika has totally changed. Even the words they played irritated me. They mentioned Radhika's struggle of choosing between her lover and traditions and nobody understands her pain. I was ok with the last two lines of the song where Radhika is being apart, but not the line of choosing between her love and traditions. She is giving up Dev because she is choosing him over everything else including her own beliefs (no traditions are involved here).

it was ok for her to go against society for her K but now the same thing is applied to Dev. Now its ok for Dev to go against nayone to fulfill his duties but since rads is not bale to see this plain logic hse is just speaking on behalf of RP

Again Radhika is being transformed because of the new track and theme of the show. What nonsense they are propagating all to have their artificial triangle (old wine in a new bottle). But I did like her shutting up Barkha and asking her not to make Radhika's decisions.

yes but what she is doing..assuming decisions for Dev and to some extent Brakha..same what BH did I didnot like her shutting Brakha saying she shud not speak up infront of RP..she herself putting this old man to higher status thereby inflating is self proclaimed righteous ego

I did like Dev when he questioned Radhika as how she can make these decisions on her now that she has become his wife. All the decisions have to be joint and not unilateral by one person. Now there was that final scene between Dev and Radhika. Dev was good in this scene when he reiterated his vachans and challenged Radhika who had come up to their room just to pick up the sindoor. Obviously, Radhika would give it to Dev. I liked Dev's question to Radhika that all her decisions (not marry Dev, marry him or to ask him to marry Barkha) are basically Dada's decisions and she is not having any say. She of course would say that her decision is to leave him.

But what I didn't like was again incomplete lines from Dev. He could have easily challenged her that he knows that she was doing it to preserve his RP title because she hasn't cared for the rules of the society or older people's rules in the past. Why not challenge her on that? It is because they are changing Radhika and we are still interpreting the old Radhika. This new Radhika heeds society and family patriarchs. Her sacrificing is to the extent where she would want her friend to do what she (Radhika) decides. They are making this Radhika selfish when she is not. And I am talking about how she would come across to an average viewer and not to somebody like us who analyze her actions and reactions so minutely. Agree completely

So these incomplete lines from Dev and Radhika made the episode a little unpalatable for me despite great acting by Avinash, Rubina and Rakesh Pandey. But I am at least glad that they are now focusing back on Dev and Radhika which was missing for last four weeks when their scenes were skipped.

Yes angie it cud have been better but i am fine..infact happy

Now to other characters:

I liked Dada who was consistent with his usual manipulative self. There was no consideration for Radhika in anything. He was angry at Dev and then questioned his decision as being selfish because he was not fulfilling the roles of son, grandson and a future RP. Dev's answer did not make any difference to him either. He was happy that Radhika is now convincing Dev. (i only have ill will for him) Then he was ready to leave when Dai interrupted Barkha's plea (Dai being the useful servant who knows when to put a stop to things that are not going their way😡😡😡). Then I loved his reaction when Mansa reached there. He wanted to do his dirty work as before without involving Radhika's father. He knew that when Radhika leaves, she would not go back to her family. Now Mansa's arrival has complicated everything and he wasn't pleased to see him.

Maheswari and Virat were smirking as things were going their way. If Dev leaves with Radhika, that opens door for Virat as Rohan is missing. If he doesn't leave and loses Radhika, then too they not only get their revenge on Radhika but it also helps them as there would be a wall between Dada and Dev and they can use that for their own advantage.

Dev will not leave and i belive in coming days Bband viraat will not be major players but will be theri o make rads life lil more hell..i am counting on Rohan to comeback and with padma chnage the game from fake wie to some other level..maybe chnaging Brakha even thereby leaving raDev rto tackle all evils and hence once gain make them act as leads

Mohini (she supports BH??)and Padma were stunned at Dada's ruthlessness even though Padma expected it. Padma has compassion towards Dev and Radhika. (How long will be interesting..after her dear son coomes back them i am assuming Dev and rads will be with no support that is if BH too is made lil negative here..dont know dont want but major possibility) But she doesn't want Dev to leave the house as he is her support. So again her own security was paramount over Radhika's plight. That's why I like this character. They don't need Barkha or any artificial triangle track when characters like Padma and Dada are there. But unfortunately, they are going towards killing Dada and doing whatever to the story. Anyway, I like her in scenes these days as her reactions are interesting. I too would like to see her as Kaikayi as she so suits that role. Sushmita is excellent in this grey character. Yess and shud not be made one side positive chacarter for always

Ignoring Dai and Barkha who had nothing much to add. ---yes ignore Dia and i doubt if BH can be ignored here..but logically she shud leave but she wont.. Both are irritating, but Barkha was bearable in the last scene. She was of course very irritating in the first scene and I am glad that Radhika shut her up. Dai wasn't and that's because she is not a human being. At last Dada pretends to look remorseful when he is doing all his wrongs in the name of dharam. She doesn't even have that. All there is a stony look from her face. She couldn't even appreciate Radhika's sacrifice. There is definitely jealousy now on her part. Previously, she was fond of Radhika when Radhika was looking after RP or the entire family. But now her importance to Dev is so obvious where Dev who never said a word against the family is willing to leave them, she can't wait to see the last of Radhika. Dev better understand that this Dai is his enemy as she is Radhika's enemy now. Dai is second RP...supporting wrong since starting..yes she is irritating and dont know what will be her scope

But loved that Mansa is here. Mansa is very protective of his daughter. He was stunned to see Barkha in unmarried clothes and Radhika as a bride. I am happy that it would be Mansa (rather than Barkha) who would disclose the childhood marriage. Mee tooo...hurrraaayyy Dada has to be brought down to earth and who better than low class, uneducated Julaha Mansa who shows this educated, upper class RP the mirror. But today Dev was the hero and then it was Mansa who would be my favorite again tomorrow.I am waiting to see a confrontation between Mansa and Dada.

But will it again be incomplete as the confrontation between Dev and Dada was incomplete? Knowing the creatives, I don't have high hopes.

Angie i think thts this is it to Dev-dada confrontation and tomorrow we may either see him instantly succumbing to shock or hand on to ask for his last wish (in that case i dont know how Dev will be able to say no) coz repentence option is nowhr in sight..i wil be surprised id RP is hsown regretting beofre he dies..and i just hope Cvs let MS disclose everything