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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

I also started watching the show when i knew that Kinshuk was joining the cast!! I had seen it before in bits here and there so I knew the basic story but never used to follow it daily in this way. I have read the post that you are talking about but I think I signed up with IF a little after that and didn't comment on it.
I think it was a definitly a bold decision to leave a show as popular as Bidaai was at that time and i agree with u that he did so because he wanted to try something different which playing a character like Viren gives him. I'm sure it would have been much easier for Kinshuk to just pick another safe 'hero' type character but he chose to do something a little more complex and multi-shaded and it is starting to pay off as he is playing the role brilliantly in my opinion! It's so good to see people stretch themselves and grow and develop with roles rather than them doing the same thing. Regardless of where the CT's go with the show, Kinshuk can be proud of his performance as Viren (up till now and hopefully upcoming!) and I hope he continues to pick challenging roles in the future as well 😊
It's funny that u chose to use SRK as an example as I was thinking the same thing myself earlier!! It was very risky of SRK to pick a role like the one in Darr but he did it well, it got him noticed and made him stand apart from his contemporaries & now look at him.....⭐️!!
PS: Hello Bani, my name is Asma, I probably should have started with that....😆
Edited by anjaani07 - 15 years ago

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hey Asma,
good to know you! I think I discussed, rather say tried to discuss, a lot about this versatility of actors, but I could not get good response, as noone wanted to acknowledge before, that Kinshuk could play anti-hero in the show.
I know and at the same time, sort of dont know, what the outcome would be about character Viren. But I always feel good to see his evolution as an actor. He has really come up a good way. You might know that both Kunal Verma and Kinshuk were auditoned for this character of Viren. I have a soft corner for Kunal Verma, as I felt he was just wasted in Tujh Sang... . But in the heart of hearts I knew Kinshuk is the right choice for this character of Viren. Creatives played a master stroke by casting him as Viren. Anyone can romance and say "lovey-dovey" dialogues, but the actual Viren can be played by limited number of actors. God bless him!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

If Siddharth finds out about Viren, who will believe him? Nivedita herself might not believe him, even if Siddharth brings in the greatest proof. Its not Nivedita's fault, but she cannot in her wildest dreams think Viren can be the stalker. Similarly, when Viren was framing Sid, Sid could never make out that Viren, his younger brother and Nivedita's husband, can frame him and traumatise his own beloved wife Nivedita, and can give DS wrong medicines. Its beyond Nivedita's belief, that Viren can be the stalker.

Its said "diamonds cut diamonds". If someone wants to give Viren a "sermon", he will not understand, he needs to be made understood in the language he understands now.Viren used Nivedita against Sid, because Nivedita was his childhood friend and also Nivedita is an honest girl. If Nivedita herself points fingers at Sid, even a person like DS will pause and think, as DS knows Nivedita will never speak lies. (I am not talking about YD, because I feel people like her do not have any intuition or proper judgement who is honest or who is fake).Similarly, if Nivedita finds out about Viren and says Sid is innocentc (without taking real stalker's name), that makes better sense, DS will believe Nivedita's words, the reason being same, that she, as a person will not speak lies.
When she says Sid is innocent, she will not name Viren in public or accuse him, in front of everyone. Because the story has to proceed to Nivi working to build her relationship with Viren, and hence she needs to know what is making Viren do all these? She will try to lessen Viren's pain, and after that, its completely upto Viren, whether to realise or not. A relationship can survive on two pillars. Viren needs to realise his path was not right, and at the same time, start working towards the betterment of his marriage from his side. Its only Viren, who can realise and rectify his actions. Nivedita can just help him, but he has to realise and implement. A teacher can only teach, but the student has to go and write the exam and come out successful. Both teacher and student are important for an exam, but duties of both are different, both have to do their part jointly to succeed in an exam.
I had read many comments yesterday, about the institution of marriage, about marital vows. I feel, its all upto the humans to nurture a relationship. If a person is not compassionate, no marriage vows can make the person more responsible. Without vows also, a person will be dutiful. If Viren-Nivi's marriage works, it will be only because of Nivedita's patience, when she will give Viren the chance and time to realise and rectify.This track has no other immediate way, than to show Viren realising his mistake, that the path he has taken is not right.
Talking about "institution of marriage", its all depends on humans, as per their thoughts and the circumstance they face in life. I feel in this world, the most passionate relationship is of "mother-children". But we do not take any vows for abiding that relationship. Though rare, but its true, parents make mistakes. It is upto the children, whether to forgive them or not. Just we are thinking that Nivedita will forgive Viren and work towards her marriage, because one should not pay disrespect to the marriage, its also true, that we need to be impartial to every one, whether our parents, our friends, our partners and think in a similar way of "forgetting and forgiving". Some relationships do not start with "chanting of mantras", but those are also relationships, where people need to apply the same principles.. Impartiality and unbiasedness should prevail whenever we decide anything, whether about our parents, children, love, friends, anyone. ( I just like to mention I am not talking about Sid-Nivi relationship in any ways, but I was keeping more in mind, NTdadi's words to Pratap. Sometimes, instead of children, parents make mistakes, we need to apply the same principle as "forget and forgive").
Nivedita will work towards Viren's betterment, whether she was married or not to Viren. She would have even worked towards betterment of her relationship with Sid if circumstance was such. But the entire circumstance that time was very messy, with Keshav sick, Divya crazy for Sid, HL's manipulations, CC's schemes, JW's plots, DS's stroke and then Viren enters with his own ideas, not known to anyone. She really had no control on anything that time, but to flow with time. But today, she has control, she is not as badly tied up as she was before, she just has to concentrate on Viren now. She will definitely do that, as she is sketched to be a compassionate person.
Nivedita and Sid's relationship is not possible at this moment, unless in reply to Nivedita's care and love, Viren does not realise and keeps on walking the wrong way. Everything depends on Viren now, whether he will be able to see the love and affection that his family as well as Nivedita has for him and his conscience starts to play OR he wants to contibue in his revenge mode.

Bani, keeping all our prior discussions or POV aside, I must say that I agree with you 100% on this one. Yes, everything will depend on Viren now how he turns around and works for his marriage. Nivedita will be his guide, his confidante and will show him the path with her love and care but then Viren has to walk that path. But I will also say let us see what CTs come out with justification for what Viren has done and is doing against Sid. One thing is clear that he wants Nivi to erase Sid from her heart and mind and hate him and only be his and he has been successful in that. So let us see what are the next steps.
Thanks for writing it so beautifully.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

Hey Asma,

good to know you! I think I discussed, rather say tried to discuss, a lot about this versatility of actors, but I could not get good response, as noone wanted to acknowledge before, that Kinshuk could play anti-hero in the show.
I know and at the same time, sort of dont know, what the outcome would be about character Viren. But I always feel good to see his evolution as an actor. He has really come up a good way. You might know that both Kunal Verma and Kinshuk were auditoned for this character of Viren. I have a soft corner for Kunal Verma, as I felt he was just wasted in Tujh Sang... . But in the heart of hearts I knew Kinshuk is the right choice for this character of Viren. Creatives played a master stroke by casting him as Viren. Anyone can romance and say "lovey-dovey" dialogues, but the actual Viren can be played by limited number of actors. God bless him!

Good to know u too!! I think some were a little in denial about the character Viren bieng the stalker to think objectively about Kinshuk's acting at that time, I even took a few hours to adjust to the idea😳 At the end of the day tho, it's about the actor for me and I'm very happy with the way he is progressing so far. I did read somewhere that Kunal Verma and Kinshuk both auditioned for the role but I'm not very familiar with Kunal Verma's previous roles so can't say objectively if he would have made a good Viren or not. Definitly agree with u that the CTs played a master stroke in casting Kinshuk tho, they must be pleased also!!
As for your comment: "Anyone can romance and say "lovey-dovey" dialogues, but the actual Viren can be played by limited number of actors. God bless him!" ....it's perfect, I couldn't have put it better myself!! 😃
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Good to know u too!! I think some were a little in denial about the character Viren bieng the stalker to think objectively about Kinshuk's acting at that time, I even took a few hours to adjust to the idea😳 At the end of the day tho, it's about the actor for me and I'm very happy with the way he is progressing so far. I did read somewhere that Kunal Verma and Kinshuk both auditioned for the role but I'm not very familiar with Kunal Verma's previous roles so can't say objectively if he would have made a good Viren or not. Definitly agree with u that the CTs played a master stroke in casting Kinshuk tho, they must be pleased also!!
As for your comment: "Anyone can romance and say "lovey-dovey" dialogues, but the actual Viren can be played by limited number of actors. God bless him!" ....it's perfect, I couldn't have put it better myself!! 😃
When member Nu_du congratulated me saying that my guess about the stalker was right, I wrote to her, that I only spellled out the name, Viren and declared it open. But, 99% of the members, in the back of their mind, knew Viren is the stalker. But all were hesitant to utter that, and everyone had their own reasons.
when Nivi-Sid fans were willing to see Viren as the stalker, Nivi-Viren wanted Sid as the stalker, as that would have solved the problem. But no one thought that whoever the stalker is, that is the beginning.
we should never bring our love for our favourite actors in the character. Just as u said, appreciate the skills of the actor. Its immaterial, whether Kinshuk, as Viren gets Nivedita or not. But as much as it necessary to keep the actor and character separate, it is also essential to analyse the story line following the same principles and guidelines for every character.
Kunal Verma, though my favourite, could never do Viren as well as Kinshuk. And I have no hesitation to say that. Because if I try to establish that, people will laugh at my opinion.
I have made many topics about Kinshuk. If you have time, please go through those, you will like that hopefully.😊
Edited by Omshanti1111 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Thanks for that, I'll check them out when I get some time!! 😊
Edited by anjaani07 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Wonderful post!!😊Very well written!!!

Yes.....Everything now depends on Viren and how he is going to react.. But logically speaking will he really let go of his schemes so soon jst because NIvi caught him..He wil make sure his anniversary plans come thru,,
IN my POV whatever he set out to do will succeed ..He might even resort to black mailing Nivi that if she discloses the truth about him...he will disclose about Sid nivi and The reason why he married her...then Divyas marriage will be in jeopardy....So to avoid that Nivi might not disclose to the family about Viren even after her knowing the facts and suffer silently...DEfinitely she will not forgive him immediately...
Siddharth also might find out the truth but will not expose Viren as u rightly said.....But i feel the reason being he will come across some startling facts like they have given in the article...He might realise that Viren was actually trying to bring him down and was not against Nivi....So he will jsut keep quite when everyone accuses him....Both Sid and Nivi will know Viren is the culprit but keep it under cover to save each others marriages....atleast for the time being
I cannot See Viren accepting his mistakes and repenting So soon...He has spent so much of his time and energy in getting his plans come thru😆
I think in the end everybody will try to reunite every one...Nivi will try to unite Sid and Viren....Sid will try to unite Nivi and Viren and Viren will try to unite Sid and Nivi and Divya,,i dont know ....😆We will see who CTs will try to unite,,,,,
I know they are married and all but what if the whole Nivi Viren marriage is also a fake or a scheme...what if it is not real....I am just trying to think of all the possibilities coz he has faked everything so far....why not this also....that is why he hesitated so much about cosummating his so called marriage..even though it could have been possible!!😆
I loved the part where u said any SERMON given to Viren at this stage will go waste....he should be made to understand in his own language...
I think both marriages will go thru avery tough time now for Divya and Viren to understand the actual worth of having Sid and Nivi in their lives....
Other wise how will HL and CC get punished,,,only if their children suffer will they feel it.....otherwise these two horrible women will never pay for their deeds.....
Edited by kavianand - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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nice post.keep posting. love to read this type of posts
Edited by nims6 - 15 years ago

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