Do you think our Indian Kings were stupid?

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CherryPrincess

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Posted: 16 years ago

Hey Guys,

Before you jump to conclusion and start scolding me, read my viewpoints to say this.

I am a great fan of history and our kings. I love their chivalry, their courage, their patriotism and everything. But, sometimes I feel that they lacked long term view and failed to look at overall good for our country. I think our empire would have never fallen if Kings could think of India than their particular states and if they could follow "jaise ke sath taisa" rule.

UNLIMITED FORGIVENESS:

now come to think of this. Is it fair to be so polite and kind that it ultimately hurts you and your praja? Is that goodnesss worth for the troubles that his praja has to face under unruly and unjust another king? I understand if you forgive your own countrymen to return them to their good judgement, but why trust someone with well-known history of betrayal and fraud, and even if that person is not from your country?

Take the example of Rana Ratansingh:

He just forgave evil Malakhansingh because he asked for forgiveness and rana was rajput. But why don't these noble kings think that they are asking for bigger risks and keeping their loved ones and their praja at big stake by doing such things. Why do these people forget rule of "Jaise ke sath Taisa"?

In coming episodes, we shall also see that Rana will just invite Evil and Fraud Khilji to his house? What kind of bravery is that? How can u trust widely known as evil person to behave like you? How could he believe Khilji's words of thinking Padmini as sister and allowed him to see her face? How could he let him enter his castle and let him know secrets of his unbeatable castle?

Take example of Prithviraj Chauhan:

He was a noble, fair and great king. No one could lay eyes on him. He was brave and could fight anyone, but I hate it when someone just asks for troubles themselves. We know in the history that he forgave stupid ghori 16 times (I am not sure if it was 16 times, as there are disputes in history about this fact). Isn't that plain stupid act to do? Can't you just think good of your fellow countrymen?

Shouldn't there be a limit to act of forgiveness?

WHERE WAS UNITY?

Another fact that troubles me is that. When arabians and angrej (i am just plainly talking about history, m not intending to hurt anyone)invaded our own beloved country, then where were these noble kings? Why couldn't they think overall good of our country and unitedly showed them the door? Why did they always keep on thinking about their particular small states?

I am sorry if I hurt anyone. It's just my views and wanna know if someone else also thinks like this.

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Intrepida

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Posted: 16 years ago

I guess those kings were going on the idea of "kshama sabse bada dharm hai!" -forgiveness is highest dharm

I guess they took that idea a little too far, which led to their down fall

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CherryPrincess

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: ratilal22192
I guess those kings were going on the idea of "kshama sabse bada dharm hai!" -forgiveness is highest dharm

I guess they took that idea a little too far, which led to their down fall

Exactly! Wo kaheta hai na "Ati ki kabhi Nahi Gati". Everything is good in a limit, but you should not let anything overpower you. I think the so called weird rules and dharma led Kings to do stupid things and led the downturn of our golden age. My blood actually boils with this thought that once we were the most prosperous country in the world, but this philosophy of divided states and too much forgiveness made us to be led by others for centuries. Once when we tried to do this in 1857 viplav, by uniting all countrymen, then also we failed. We always keep saying "unity is biggest strength" then why couldn't we all unite against external power for good of our country?

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Sattvik

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Posted: 16 years ago

What is the "jaise ke sath taisa" rule? and whats Ati ki kabhi Nahi Gati?

And to err is human and to forgive is divine, they did both.... To be honest, its best to forgive no matter how many times.... but it depends on each act, e.g. rape = no forgiveness

I guess they only thought about their own states because that is all they did and weren't really told about other states.

Ranaji might have thought to persuade Khilji not to do any harm to him.

Some of the noble kings were dead when the invasions happened and some were just corrupt and weak. Plus these people broke rules for invasion, when we believed in the rules, which couldn't be broken.

Really good topic by the way!

Also, I was thinking, wasn't Ghori the Sultan of Delhi and now its Khilji? So is Khilji's Chacha jaan Ghori? Going to check on it now!

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Sattvik

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Posted: 16 years ago

Ok so according to wikipedia, I guess I was out by a load of years, but the articles were confusing, care to help me?

Who comes after Ghori and what are the dates?

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Sattvik

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Posted: 16 years ago

I see your point, but those kings didn't, plus they were really strict about their rules. They should have been united, but then if they were, they might have thought they'll lose their kingdom, so maybe that is why they were selfish.

With this whole game and cheating, you should still play by the rules, because if you play fair then you'll get fair, whereas if you cheat, you'll be cheated....

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india2050

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Posted: 16 years ago

Also, I was thinking, wasn't Ghori the Sultan of Delhi and now its Khilji? So is Khilji's Chacha jaan Ghori? Going to check on it now!

Well Ghori and Khilji were absolutely unrelated. Ghori defeated Prithviraj Chauhan in 1192. There was the Slave(Mamluk) Dynasty started by Aibak (after whom we have the Qutub Minar).

Khilji's chacha overthrew the Mamluks and established the Khilji dynasty. Allauddin killed his uncle and became the ruler. The happenings in the serial are around 1297 - 1303 timeframe. Rani Padmini committed Jauhar in 1303.

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india2050

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Posted: 16 years ago

With this whole game and cheating, you should still play by the rules, because if you play fair then you'll get fair, whereas if you cheat, you'll be cheated....

Even I believe this and that's why I always believe in fair game. But what troubles me is that history proved that you dont succeed with fair games. We Indians were led by so many outsiders, even though we were fair and noble. We always say, satyamev Jayate, then why did we get this in return?

Thinking about fair game. Just think about Lord Krishna's acts in Mahabharata war. I felt the Lord was fair in the war and that's the way to go.

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india2050

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: CherryPrincess
Hey Guys,

WHERE WAS UNITY?

Another fact that troubles me is that. When arabians and angrej (i am just plainly talking about history, m not intending to hurt anyone)invaded our own beloved country, then where were these noble kings? Why couldn't they think overall good of our country

Just putting my opinion below and am welcome to be corrected

From what I have read from history, in the medival period the concept of India was pretty loose. There were many kingdoms, some strong, some weak. Allauddin was the first king after the 7th century to go deep south and deep east and bring it under one banner. Even Prithviraj Chauhan had control only over Ajmer and Delhi + some areas up north that's it. There were far more kingdoms in east/south/central powerful than Prithviraj's kingdom but they could not be bothered about fighting Ghori. Ghori was defeated in the later battles within India with the Chandelas (who gave us the Khajuraho temples)

Also the Afghans/Central Asians had far more better tactics (probably having fought many wars) and better seige/offensive weapons. Babur who came later won in Panipat and Khanwa (against Rana Sanga) primarily on the strength of his artillery. Artillery and guns were unknown in India before Babur came. So this also points to the fact that our weapons were outdated, tactics were poor and this led to our repeated defeats against the invaders.

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Jenifer

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Posted: 16 years ago

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I love the way you think CherryPrincess and I do have to agree with the points you have noted.

I remember fuming over Rana's decision to forgive Malkhan Singh just because he asked for forgivness. Anyone could've seen that Malkhan only did so just because he wanted to save his skin, not because he truly was sorry. The dude tried to harm his to-be wife for God's sake and look what forgivness did to him. Malkhan only came back to avenge.

This is what unlimited forgiveness does. I do agree that it's better to forgive and forget. It takes someone of high tolerance and a pure heart to do so but if someone has a known history to be 'bad' then it's it stupid to fall into their trap. A King is supposed to be 'chalak' as well as everything else. Unfortunately, the rulers of their own lands couldn't get over their rules to which they lived and dies by. And now look where it all got them.

I too glum over the olden golden India where it prospired in all sense. If the rulers of their small states could only get over the 'aan baan aur shaan' of lands and be able to join hands, maybe that India would've still been with us today.

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