GHKPM New Season EDT # 6 - Page 14

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

They CANNOT copy bepannah because of copyright issues. Colors tv has the rights for it and star can only remake shows from their channels and sister channels like Star Jalsha. Also the storyline of bepanah and the revamp in ghum are entirely different and that was visible since the first episode. In bepannah the ml already believed that his wife was cheating on him whereas in ghum rn both neil and savi trust their partners completely and are investigating to prove their partners' loyalties.

I haven't seen the Turkish drama or random hearts but having seen bepannah that was sold as a love story and investigation was a part of it and here rn love story for them is secondary and investigation part is what they're putting their focus on.

And I didn't say it earlier but having known people working in tv, it is extremely difficult to come up with a new concept because the schedule is so tight. Writers in tv industry have no personal lives of their own because there is an episode waiting to be shot every day. The reason they copy shows is because it gives them a fixed template which they can modify according to the public response. Also the reason people copy paste the same shows are because they're proven to be a hit and every episode a producer makes requires 5-6 lakhs so one would rather put money on a concept that has already succeeded rather than on something which might or might not work.

At the end of the day it is all " business" ...They are not producing " Oscar winning movies " producing time pass soaps to entertain...Yaa writers try to copy " proven formula ".....As long as getting " entertained " is ok...A lot of money involved with TRP going down hill every one will loose the job..They are trying to save it

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

They CANNOT copy bepannah because of copyright issues. Colors tv has the rights for it and star can only remake shows from their channels and sister channels like Star Jalsha. Also the storyline of bepanah and the revamp in ghum are entirely different and that was visible since the first episode. In bepannah the ml already believed that his wife was cheating on him whereas in ghum rn both neil and savi trust their partners completely and are investigating to prove their partners' loyalties.

I haven't seen the Turkish drama or random hearts but having seen bepannah that was sold as a love story and investigation was a part of it and here rn love story for them is secondary and investigation part is what they're putting their focus on.

And I didn't say it earlier but having known people working in tv, it is extremely difficult to come up with a new concept because the schedule is so tight. Writers in tv industry have no personal lives of their own because there is an episode waiting to be shot every day. The reason they copy shows is because it gives them a fixed template which they can modify according to the public response. Also the reason people copy paste the same shows are because they're proven to be a hit and every episode a producer makes requires 5-6 lakhs so one would rather put money on a concept that has already succeeded rather than on something which might or might not work.

@Bold: A minor correction. Both Star and Colors are now owned by JioStar, a joint venture by Viacom18 and Disney India. So all the copyrights are with the same entity. In a layman's terms, they're absolutely eligible for copying. Also, this plot has been experimented thrice in the past in different mediums so yes, Ghum is glaringly copying. With their slight tweaks because they have to connect it to the previous storyline. No doubts on the copying part please.

Of course, I understand and have seen the gruelling schedule of television writers and showrunners. I also know the fact that they are copying because of the success rate of such shows. But that doesn't allow them the right to not be criticised for such practices. One can also argue that it undermines the original writers and their creativity because plagiarism is a serious offence. I think it's alright to call out the blatant copying because it's wrong in every way possible, even after considering their stressful situations. Sympathy cannot be the criteria for judgements in logical arguments. Understanding the reasons for something doesn't make the action itself immune to criticism.

There's an implicit, bandwagon and pragmatic fallacy in your argument. Just because of knowing the people in the industry does not allow us to categorise such practices into the norm. It's a tendency, not a rule. The argument that "the reason people copy paste the same shows are because they're proven to be a hit" is akin to jumping onto the bandwagon. Just because a concept has been successful in the past doesn't mean that a new show with similarities is not copying it. Popularity is a factor in decision-making, but it doesn't negate the possibility of imitation. Your statement about every episode requiring 5-6 lakhs and so one would rather put money depending upon success rates uses the financial consequences of failure to justify the act of copying. While this is a practical approach to the industry, it doesn't logically negate the fact that a show might be drawing heavily from another source. The potential financial loss doesn't make copying acceptable.

Edit: About public response, I have always believed that relying solely on familiar concepts limits the audience's exposure to new and original storytelling and potentially stifles the growth of the industry. What if there are absolutely no copied, regressive shows on television? The audience would be forced to watch something new. It might be better than today or even worse. But at least it'll will be new. But alas, people, including us, are watching these blatantly plagiarised crapfests with carpet-like characters to the point where many of them hold such views themselves.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

The similar age difference is a coincidental aspect of the story. They were already copying Phagun Bou and then pivoted to this narrative. The identical age difference between Rajat and Tejaswini is just a mere luck and coincidence. Not a conscious decision.

Like I said, Kara Para Ask, Random Hearts and Bepannah have similar storylines of one of the leads being in the police and discovering the affair of their spouses after their accident or murder and the subsequent investigations. Ghum hasn't discovered something new to copy. They are copying Bepannah for sure since its version of these similar plots fits best with the storyline. Bepannah takes heavy inspiration from both the Turkish drama and the Hollywood film. Plus Ganja's scenes, taglines and promos during promotions were heavily copied from Bepannah. Also, they would rather copy something with Hindi dialogues because it's easier and requires less effort. They're lazier than a sloth.

@b : I’d take offense on behalf of the entire sloth species. To compare them with Ganjophiles is a travesty, Miss Pavithra. Sloths are entirely original—graceful, deliberate, and blissfully free of pretension. Ganjophiles, on the other hand, are a patchwork of borrowed enlightenment and secondhand smoke. Honestly, to lump the two together is an insult to evolutionary dignity.

I'm very much disappointed by your implications :/

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

@b : I’d take offense on behalf of the entire sloth species. To compare them with Ganjophiles is a travesty, Miss Pavithra. Sloths are entirely original—graceful, deliberate, and blissfully free of pretension. Ganjophiles, on the other hand, are a patchwork of borrowed enlightenment and secondhand smoke. Honestly, to lump the two together is an insult to evolutionary dignity.

I'm very much disappointed by your implications :/

Originally posted by: Riddhi2Saini006

They CANNOT copy bepannah because of copyright issues. Colors tv has the rights for it and star can only remake shows from their channels and sister channels like Star Jalsha. Also the storyline of bepanah and the revamp in ghum are entirely different and that was visible since the first episode. In bepannah the ml already believed that his wife was cheating on him whereas in ghum rn both neil and savi trust their partners completely and are investigating to prove their partners' loyalties.

I haven't seen the Turkish drama or random hearts but having seen bepannah that was sold as a love story and investigation was a part of it and here rn love story for them is secondary and investigation part is what they're putting their focus on.

And I didn't say it earlier but having known people working in tv, it is extremely difficult to come up with a new concept because the schedule is so tight. Writers in tv industry have no personal lives of their own because there is an episode waiting to be shot every day. The reason they copy shows is because it gives them a fixed template which they can modify according to the public response. Also the reason people copy paste the same shows are because they're proven to be a hit and every episode a producer makes requires 5-6 lakhs so one would rather put money on a concept that has already succeeded rather than on something which might or might not work.

Well, Riddhi, you and I—like many others—lead busy and tightly scheduled lives. But even then, if I were to, say, copy a story written by another author on India Forums and submit it under my own name for a contest, it would still be considered as a clear case of intellectual fraud and plagiarism, regardless of how tight my schedule is. That’s the core issue with your argument—justifying creative shortcuts due to time constraints doesn’t make the act any less unethical. After all, these writers are being paid to do the thinking; and frankly, even part-time authors could come up with better stories than the second-hand smoke that’s being cheaply recycled. It doesn’t matter whether these shows become successful or not—the bottom line is they’re copied. And the worst part is, they don’t even remain true to the stories they’ve copied in the first place.

Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

Well, Riddhi, you and I—like many others—lead busy and tightly scheduled lives. But even then, if I were to, say, copy a story written by another author on India Forums and submit it under my own name for a contest, it would still be considered as a clear case of intellectual fraud and plagiarism, regardless of how tight my schedule is. That’s the core issue with your argument—justifying creative shortcuts due to time constraints doesn’t make the act any less unethical. After all, these writers are being paid to do the thinking; and frankly, even part-time authors often come up with better stories than the second-hand smoke that’s being cheaply recycled. It doesn’t matter whether these shows become successful or not—the bottom line is they’re copied. And the worst part is, they don’t even remain true to the stories they’ve copied in the first place.

I told you. You're my TL;DR version.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

I told you. You're my TL;DR version.

Sometimes it's uncanny how much our thoughts are in sync totally selling this mele mein bichde hue behen / dost

Doctor turned detective is now investigating the homicide of Teju and is wandering around touching evidence with bare hands while law enforcement personnel remain outside the secured perimeter.

Ganjedi duniya mein kuch bhi hosakta hai

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

@Bold: A minor correction. Both Star and Colors are now owned by JioStar, a joint venture by Viacom18 and Disney India. So all the copyrights are with the same entity. In a layman's term, they're absolutely eligible for copying. Also, this plot has been experimented thrice in the past in different mediums so yes, Ghum is glaringly copying. With their slight tweaks because they have to connect it to the previous storyline. No doubts on the copying part please.

Of course, I understand that gruelling schedule of television writers and showrunners. I also know the fact that they are copying because of the success rate of such shows. But that doesn't allow them the right to not be criticised for such practices. One can also argue that it undermines the original writers and their creativity because plagiarism is a serious offence. I think it's alright to call out the blatant copying because it's wrong in every way possible, even after considering their stressful situations. Sympathy cannot be the criteria for judgements in logical arguments. Understanding the reasons for something doesn't make the action itself immune to criticism.

There's an implicit, bandwagon and pragmatic fallacy in your argument. Just because of knowing the people in the industry does not allow us to categorise such practices into the norm. It's a tendency, not a rule. The argument that "the reason people copy paste the same shows are because they're proven to be a hit" is akin to jumping onto the bandwagon. Just because a concept has been successful in the past doesn't mean that a new show with similarities is not copying it. Popularity is a factor in decision-making, but it doesn't negate the possibility of imitation. Your statement about every episode requiring 5-6 lakhs and so one would rather put money depending upon success rates uses the financial consequences of failure to justify the act of copying. While this is a practical approach to the industry, it doesn't logically negate the fact that a show might be drawing heavily from another source. The potential financial loss doesn't make copying acceptable.

Edit: About public response, I have always believed that relying solely on familiar concepts limits the audience's exposure to new and original storytelling and potentially stifles the growth of the industry. What if there are absolutely no copied, regressive shows on television? The audience would be forced to watch something new. It might be better than today or even worse. But at least it'll will be new. But alas, people, including us, are watching these blatantly plagiarised crapfests with carpet-like characters to the point where many of them hold such views themselves.

@b : Not only are they stifling the art, but they’re also shoving these recycled ideas down our throats. Even if they want to copy, there are plenty of scripts they could take inspiration from, but no, they choose only the ones that suit their regressive fancies. If there were no copied, regressive shows on television, the audience would be forced to explore something new. It could be better, it could be worse, but at least it would be original. Instead, we’re stuck watching these blatantly plagiarized shows with one-dimensional characters, to the point where many viewers start to internalize these ideas. The bar is honestly in the gutter at this point.

Imagine, some even go to the extent of calling them progressive.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

@Bold: A minor correction. Both Star and Colors are now owned by JioStar, a joint venture by Viacom18 and Disney India. So all the copyrights are with the same entity. In a layman's terms, they're absolutely eligible for copying. Also, this plot has been experimented thrice in the past in different mediums so yes, Ghum is glaringly copying. With their slight tweaks because they have to connect it to the previous storyline. No doubts on the copying part please.

Of course, I understand and have seen the gruelling schedule of television writers and showrunners. I also know the fact that they are copying because of the success rate of such shows. But that doesn't allow them the right to not be criticised for such practices. One can also argue that it undermines the original writers and their creativity because plagiarism is a serious offence. I think it's alright to call out the blatant copying because it's wrong in every way possible, even after considering their stressful situations. Sympathy cannot be the criteria for judgements in logical arguments. Understanding the reasons for something doesn't make the action itself immune to criticism.

There's an implicit, bandwagon and pragmatic fallacy in your argument. Just because of knowing the people in the industry does not allow us to categorise such practices into the norm. It's a tendency, not a rule. The argument that "the reason people copy paste the same shows are because they're proven to be a hit" is akin to jumping onto the bandwagon. Just because a concept has been successful in the past doesn't mean that a new show with similarities is not copying it. Popularity is a factor in decision-making, but it doesn't negate the possibility of imitation. Your statement about every episode requiring 5-6 lakhs and so one would rather put money depending upon success rates uses the financial consequences of failure to justify the act of copying. While this is a practical approach to the industry, it doesn't logically negate the fact that a show might be drawing heavily from another source. The potential financial loss doesn't make copying acceptable.

Edit: About public response, I have always believed that relying solely on familiar concepts limits the audience's exposure to new and original storytelling and potentially stifles the growth of the industry. What if there are absolutely no copied, regressive shows on television? The audience would be forced to watch something new. It might be better than today or even worse. But at least it'll will be new. But alas, people, including us, are watching these blatantly plagiarised crapfests with carpet-like characters to the point where many of them hold such views themselves.

Even though Colors TV and Star Plus are both part of the JioStar umbrella following the Viacom18–Disney Star merger, that does NOT mean Star Plus can legally copy or remake shows originally created for Colors TV.

TV shows like Bepannah are protected under intellectual property rights. The rights to the story, characters, script, and other creative elements belong either to the original producers (in this case, Cinevistaas) or are bound by specific contracts made when the show was created.

Ownership under the same parent company (JioStar) does not nullify or override these rights. Unless the original producers agree and proper legal permissions are obtained, no other channel—even under the same corporate group—can copy or remake the show.

So no, Star Plus cannot simply “copy” Bepannah just because it’s part of JioStar. The merger doesn’t dissolve existing legal and creative boundaries.

Secondly, in the entertainment industry if you will watch any show/movie/webseries all of them somewhere or the other are loosely inspired from each other. There's no entertainment project that is solely unique.

Thirdly, I've been seeing your posts since last two weeks criticising the writers, and you have the full freedom to do so. Similarly having family members who write these shows and knowing how stressful the schedule is makes me want to put it out for you guys that how television provides so little scope for creativity that people have no option but to copy other premises.

Television Industry is a business just like any other industry and decisions are made only on financial basis, that's why I listed out the financial reason for copying premises.

Television Industry has time and again tried different storylines and formulae but they haven't worked for trp audiences. You, me or anyone who watches these shows online don't even make a fraction of what trps would come. Producers/writers/actors are making shows whether they're illogical/supernatural/don't make sense to you- for the audience that watches TV.

TV has never been the area where people are putting out shows for expanding creativity. It's like a government job where if your show clicks, it can work for years.

If you want to actually watch creative/unique stuff that's for OTT because you can put anything out there as there is an audience for everything.

Tl;dr- You cannot blame tv or people in the tv industry for trying to rehash already used plots if you cannot give them trps when they've tried new storylines.