GHKPM New Season EDT #5 - Page 76

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As per Twitter, they're going to make Neil even more bechaara and oppressed post Tejaswini's death. Aisa karenge to jitni TRP aa bhi rahi thi vo bhi chali jaayegi. I guess we are going to have Anupamaa ki Mahaanta and Jhanak ka becharapan all rolled into one in Dr. Neil Pradhan.

Originally posted by: shwetha85

This my opinion as most of you know that I am very disappointed with the recent changes to the show and will be quitting watching once the change is implemented.

Last night I was re-watching Haseen Dilruba part 1 and realized that Vikrant Massey's character Rishu, initially was very much like Neil - intelligent, glasses, wasnt able to speak up, he knew that Rani is high maintenance but still took the plunge and once he finds out about her fling with his co-cousin - he does flip and shows his dark side to her. Maybe not that that extent but I think the makers could have done similar with Neil's character. They could have showcased some grey side after he got to know Ruturaj and Teju's past. Instead he went into a deeper shell with no confrontation or clarification. There was a change in Rutu and Teju's character post wedding but Neil just went into a deeper shell without any potential reason.

There wasnt a need to end Teju's role instead there was a need to add a little grey shades to Neil's character in order to suppress Teju's harshness towards him, thats all. My heart goes out to Vaibhavi these days and my heart is broken as I was so happily watching a show after a long time and now will have to quit because of this unnecessary change. This change isnt gonna work and makers will realize at the end that showing anything will not retain audiences, yes it can bring some new audience but will see for how long do they stick around and watch whatever crap is displayed on their phone/TV screens.

Hmm, I get what you're saying. I probably agree. Since it's a fictional story shown to the masses through film and television, the writers could have added shades to Neil's character. I personally found only Neil's antics at the altar frustrating but I could see a solid reason behind his acts up until then. I could find a reason for his desperation at the mandap as well. I personally think Neil's reaction of going further into his shell without a confrontation was completely justified (for the lack of a better word) and realistic with respect to his character.

Honestly, I feel Neil's core character and personality was very close to reality. I could relate to his inability to speak up when everyone was taking decisions on behalf of him. Of course, his stammering and all those mannerisms were on borderline spectrum and not really an introvert's, but that is the actor's depiction, not exactly the character itself.

However, as a writer myself, I can confidently say that his reactions of retreating back, being desperate, distancing himself, acting all passive-agressive, taunting without seeking clarifications due to fear of rejection and self-pitying were realistic. Confrontations and conflicts are not a part of his core thought process or characterisation. He doesn't come across as a spineless man as many others are saying since he had enough courage to stand up for him and his wife and could also admit to his missteps during the wedding because of his conscience. So I disagree with that part.

Neil was one of the extremely normal men with their insecurities that we could have encountered in real life. He wasn't the heroic ML that we're so used to. He could cry. He could fall weak at instances. Audiences who like fiction for entertainment view it as an escape. They won't value a well-written or thoughtful, yet a very ordinary character. They want to see something that can help them forget the real, ordinary people they see around themselves in their lives. Daily soaps and most films cater to the audience's fantasies, not reality checks. Neil wasn't the all rounder man. He had his weaknesses like a real human. He wasn't a character who could be unattainable for the average viewer. And that's where he became the object for dislike amongst viewers.

He was so realistic that the TRP audience couldn't handle it. Television daily soaps and commercial films don't really have a room for such characters who reflect our own weaknesses, that's what I've understood from this whole fiasco. You see, even if we adapt a real story onto screen, we add embellishments to it so that it sells. Neil's character needed embellishments to sell and catch eyeballs.

But I think if it were a stand alone finite series backed by a streaming service perhaps, his character's writing would've been hailed as a nuanced and real portrayal of an introverted man, because the target audience is totally different.

Anyway, this show will not sustain long if they don't write well enough to retain viewers to watch the crap they're churning out. And obviously, writing well didn't mean ending Tejaswini's character.

P. S. Apologies if the post was too long. 😅

Originally posted by: Autumn09

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https://x.com/lotb_arjun/status/1917091717054140748?t=6mv17FORkehdihlbGpgSag&s=19

As per Twitter, they're going to make Neil even more bechaara and oppressed post Tejaswini's death. Aisa karenge to jitni TRP aa bhi rahi thi vo bhi chali jaayegi. I guess we are going to have Anupamaa ki Mahaanta and Jhanak ka becharapan all rolled into one in Dr. Neil Pradhan.

They are not even hesitating. They are letting everyone know that they are smoking stuff.

Originally posted by: Autumn09

Yes, 'young audience' brought a very bad trend of 'chemistry' and 'aesthetics and fancy dress attire' taking precedence over an emotionally-involved story. I remember in early 2000s, I used to be so invested in lead characters' fates and actually wish intensely for their union. Now I just feel repelled whenever Sitara leads come on screen (case in point shows like Jhanak, Anupamaa's bhashan, YRKKH)

So true. Nowadays it's all about the theatrics and not any real creative or emotional investment in the show. Just shipping so hard to a point where everything sinks, including the ship.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

Hmm, I get what you're saying. I probably agree. Since it's a fictional story shown to the masses through film and television, the writers could have added shades to Neil's character. I personally found only Neil's antics at the altar frustrating but I could see a solid reason behind his acts up until then. I could find a reason for his desperation at the mandap as well. I personally think Neil's reaction of going further into his shell without a confrontation was completely justified (for the lack of a better word) and realistic with respect to his character.

Honestly, I feel Neil's core character and personality was very close to reality. I could relate to his inability to speak up when everyone was taking decisions on behalf of him. Of course, his stammering and all those mannerisms were on borderline spectrum and not really an introvert's, but that is the actor's depiction, not exactly the character itself.

However, as a writer myself, I can confidently say that his reactions of retreating back, being desperate, distancing himself, acting all passive-agressive, taunting without seeking clarifications due to fear of rejection and self-pitying were realistic. Confrontations and conflicts are not a part of his core thought process or characterisation. He doesn't come across as a spineless man as many others are saying since he had enough courage to stand up for him and his wife and could also admit to his missteps during the wedding because of his conscience. So I disagree with that part.

Neil was one of the extremely normal men with their insecurities that we could have encountered in real life. He wasn't the heroic ML that we're so used to. Audiences who like fiction for entertainment view it as an escape. They won't value a well-written or thoughtful, yet a very ordinary character. They want to see something that can help them forget the real, ordinary people they see around themselves in their lives. Daily soaps and most films cater to the audience's fantasies, not reality checks. Neil wasn't the all rounder man. He had his weaknesses like a real human. He wasn't a character who could be unattainable for the average viewer. And that's where he became the object for dislike amongst viewers.

He was so realistic that the TRP audience couldn't handle it. Television daily soaps and commercial films don't really have a room for such characters, that's what I've understood from this whole fiasco. You see, even if we adapt a real story onto screen, we add embellishments to it so that it sells. Neil's character needed embellishments to sell and catch eyeballs.

But I think if it were a stand alone finite series backed by a streaming service perhaps, his character's writing would've been hailed as a nuanced and real portrayal of an introverted man, because the target audience is totally different.

Anyway, this show will not sustain long if they don't write well enough to retain viewers to watch the crap they're churning out. And obviously, writing well didn't mean ending Tejaswini's character.

P. S. Apologies if the post was too long. 😅

I liked Neil till Juhi's track. But in Juhi's track, his character was inconsistent. In the beginning, they showed Neil as sensible and sensitive, but then we had Neil defending Mohit's marrying Tejaswini's mom even after he already had a wife and a daughter and telling the first wife, "Unki kucch majboori rahi hogi." I was like Neil at least read the room for once. You are defending in front of the woman who got to know about her husband's death and existence of his husband's family through the same phone call. Then Neil meeting Tejaswini secretly in disguise of coming to meet his fiancee Juhi. I feel a nice guy should be a nice and understanding guy for everyone not only just for his lady love. Neil never even thought about or felt apologetic about his behaviour with Juhi. This particular track made me detached from the 'good guy' Neil and put him at the same level of supposedly 'green flags' like Aniruddha of Jhanak. I've seen a Kdrama where the male lead rejects the supporting character who loves him but did so very gently and looked out for her so that she isn't too broken after rejection. Maybe it was expecting too much from Ghum male lead, but I wanted Neil to at least acknowledge Laxmi and Juhi's pain instead of focusing only on his Aparajita.

Originally posted by: Autumn09

I liked Neil till Juhi's track. But in Juhi's track, his character was inconsistent. In the beginning, they showed Neil as sensible and sensitive, but then we had Neil defending Mohit's marrying Tejaswini's mom even after he already had a wife and a daughter and telling the first wife, "Unki kucch majboori rahi hogi." I was like Neil at least read the room for once. You are defending in front of the woman who got to know about her husband's death and existence of his husband's family through the same phone call. Then Neil meeting Tejaswini secretly in disguise of coming to meet his fiancee Juhi. I feel a nice guy should be a nice and understanding guy for everyone not only just for his lady love. Neil never even thought about or felt apologetic about his behaviour with Juhi. This particular track made me detached from the 'good guy' Neil and put him at the same level of supposedly 'green flags' like Aniruddha of Jhanak. I've seen a Kdrama where the male lead rejects the supporting character who loves him but did so very gently and looked out for her so that she isn't too broken after rejection. Maybe it was expecting too much from Ghum male lead, but I wanted Neil to at least acknowledge Laxmi and Juhi's pain instead of focusing only on his Aparajita.

Yes. That's what I mentioned in the post. I was particularly frustrated with his antics during the pre-wedding track and at the altar. Neil's character was given such senseless dialogues at those instances. Those dialogues did put me off and also had no justification as they did market him as a goody two shoes. But I could find a plausible reason to his actions and reactions to what was happening around him.

Originally posted by: Ajab.Pehchan

Why can't they kick out these Pagal Pradhan's instead? Kitne boring hain woh. Could've brought back Bhosale’s and maybe Neil could be related to them since he’s adopted. Teju clashing with Bhosale’s would be a treat to watch.

I also find the Pradhan family scenes boring. They keep blabbering all day. Pradhans are borderline bipolar and have dissociative identity disorder. Or maybe the Ganjophile writers have it. I don't know. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

Yes. That's what I mentioned in the post. I was particularly frustrated with his antics during the pre-wedding track and at the altar. Neil's character was given such senseless dialogues at those instances. Those dialogues did put me off and also had no justification. But I could find a plausible reason to his actions and reactions to what was happening around him.

I began watching an ITV show after a long time and that too Ghum, but had to leave it during Juhi track because Neil's antics were so triggering. These actions are digestible if from the get go, they present lead as a flawed individual. But the USP of Neil's character was being too soft for the world. So him being this oblivious and callous towards other people was out of character for him. That's a challenge for writers whole creating a green flag character because his mess ups are not as pardonable.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

Hmm, I get what you're saying. I probably agree. Since it's a fictional story shown to the masses through film and television, the writers could have added shades to Neil's character. I personally found only Neil's antics at the altar frustrating but I could see a solid reason behind his acts up until then. I could find a reason for his desperation at the mandap as well. I personally think Neil's reaction of going further into his shell without a confrontation was completely justified (for the lack of a better word) and realistic with respect to his character.

Honestly, I feel Neil's core character and personality was very close to reality. I could relate to his inability to speak up when everyone was taking decisions on behalf of him. Of course, his stammering and all those mannerisms were on borderline spectrum and not really an introvert's, but that is the actor's depiction, not exactly the character itself.

However, as a writer myself, I can confidently say that his reactions of retreating back, being desperate, distancing himself, acting all passive-agressive, taunting without seeking clarifications due to fear of rejection and self-pitying were realistic. Confrontations and conflicts are not a part of his core thought process or characterisation. He doesn't come across as a spineless man as many others are saying since he had enough courage to stand up for him and his wife and could also admit to his missteps during the wedding because of his conscience. So I disagree with that part.

Neil was one of the extremely normal men with their insecurities that we could have encountered in real life. He wasn't the heroic ML that we're so used to. He could cry. He could fall weak at instances. Audiences who like fiction for entertainment view it as an escape. They won't value a well-written or thoughtful, yet a very ordinary character. They want to see something that can help them forget the real, ordinary people they see around themselves in their lives. Daily soaps and most films cater to the audience's fantasies, not reality checks. Neil wasn't the all rounder man. He had his weaknesses like a real human. He wasn't a character who could be unattainable for the average viewer. And that's where he became the object for dislike amongst viewers.

He was so realistic that the TRP audience couldn't handle it. Television daily soaps and commercial films don't really have a room for such characters, that's what I've understood from this whole fiasco. You see, even if we adapt a real story onto screen, we add embellishments to it so that it sells. Neil's character needed embellishments to sell and catch eyeballs.

But I think if it were a stand alone finite series backed by a streaming service perhaps, his character's writing would've been hailed as a nuanced and real portrayal of an introverted man, because the target audience is totally different.

Anyway, this show will not sustain long if they don't write well enough to retain viewers to watch the crap they're churning out. And obviously, writing well didn't mean ending Tejaswini's character.

P. S. Apologies if the post was too long. 😅

I agree. Love how well articulated it is

Well written characters are unfortunately not appreciated in itv as a medium whereas they are hailed in OTT / Netflix or any other mediums. Writers initially put some thought into developing a character but over a period of time, they start behaving how the TRP demands which is most times, quite opposite to how their core characteristic has been shown. Like you said, normal characters, things that happen in everyday life aren’t appreciated. Dramatize, bring faith into the equation, medical miracles, career switching being as easy as switching as a product brought in Amazon, etc., the more illogical, the better.

A good example of that would be KHKT. Initially the story was of a surgeon and an actor & their struggles, life etc.. up till a certain point you could reason their actions / things that happened in the story inspite of being a bit dramatic. But the show that shaped up after the wedding was a disaster. In fact the whole wedding was made ultra dramatic because makers realised a normal bina Tamashe ki shaadi won’t be appreciated by the audience/masses. Eventually it turned worse than the shows it trolled.
Grey doesn’t exist in itv, in the rare cases it does, they aren’t given the due consideration.

@b: on the contrary the crap will save the show but they need to be good with crap. i.e., they need a sob backstory which will be Teju’s death which will explain Neil turning into this alternate universe version of himself & Savi needs to have something plausible that’ll evoke sympathy and not scorn.

I sometimes judge the audience for their entertainment choices because WHY is toxicity so alluring ? Don’t we see that enough in our every day lives to seek an escape from it at least in fiction ? Liking strong willed characters is one thing but liking characters who downright have anger issues a mile wide and might be borderline abusive ? Hell no.

Originally posted by: ThaneOfElsinore

Hmm, I get what you're saying. I probably agree. Since it's a fictional story shown to the masses through film and television, the writers could have added shades to Neil's character. I personally found only Neil's antics at the altar frustrating but I could see a solid reason behind his acts up until then. I could find a reason for his desperation at the mandap as well. I personally think Neil's reaction of going further into his shell without a confrontation was completely justified (for the lack of a better word) and realistic with respect to his character.

Honestly, I feel Neil's core character and personality was very close to reality. I could relate to his inability to speak up when everyone was taking decisions on behalf of him. Of course, his stammering and all those mannerisms were on borderline spectrum and not really an introvert's, but that is the actor's depiction, not exactly the character itself.

However, as a writer myself, I can confidently say that his reactions of retreating back, being desperate, distancing himself, acting all passive-agressive, taunting without seeking clarifications due to fear of rejection and self-pitying were realistic. Confrontations and conflicts are not a part of his core thought process or characterisation. He doesn't come across as a spineless man as many others are saying since he had enough courage to stand up for him and his wife and could also admit to his missteps during the wedding because of his conscience. So I disagree with that part.

Neil was one of the extremely normal men with their insecurities that we could have encountered in real life. He wasn't the heroic ML that we're so used to. He could cry. He could fall weak at instances. Audiences who like fiction for entertainment view it as an escape. They won't value a well-written or thoughtful, yet a very ordinary character. They want to see something that can help them forget the real, ordinary people they see around themselves in their lives. Daily soaps and most films cater to the audience's fantasies, not reality checks. Neil wasn't the all rounder man. He had his weaknesses like a real human. He wasn't a character who could be unattainable for the average viewer. And that's where he became the object for dislike amongst viewers.

He was so realistic that the TRP audience couldn't handle it. Television daily soaps and commercial films don't really have a room for such characters who reflect our own weaknesses, that's what I've understood from this whole fiasco. You see, even if we adapt a real story onto screen, we add embellishments to it so that it sells. Neil's character needed embellishments to sell and catch eyeballs.

But I think if it were a stand alone finite series backed by a streaming service perhaps, his character's writing would've been hailed as a nuanced and real portrayal of an introverted man, because the target audience is totally different.

Anyway, this show will not sustain long if they don't write well enough to retain viewers to watch the crap they're churning out. And obviously, writing well didn't mean ending Tejaswini's character.

P. S. Apologies if the post was too long. 😅

Yes it's a really long post, Pavitra. Still I enjoyed reading it because it's analytical, logical and interesting. There's no need to apologise for writing long posts.

Haseen Dilruba:

The male lead, Rishu discovers his wife is having an affair with his cousin after their marriage. She meets his cousin after their marriage and the affair begins. That's why Rishu becomes extremely angry. That's totally different from this situation. Also, I don't think Rishu shows shades of darkness after knowing about the affair. He only becomes furious with his wife. Darkness is different from showing anger. Darkness is what Joe Goldberg does in the series, You. That's called real darkness. Here, Tejaswini isn't having affair with Ruturaj after her marriage. So, why should Neil become angry with her? She isn't doing anything wrong in the show. Btw, will you continue watching the show after Tejaswini's death, Pavitra?