PSF All Dramas TRP Thread #3 - Page 36

Originally posted by: Orphic

I said the same thing about GM & people took an offence. When more money is spent on a project & A listers are casted then people do expect more from it. I find similarities here. SMD is doing well views wise, TRPs although not good are still better than other Geo shows currently. Such kind of explanation was given for GM as well.

Channels post TRPs only when they lead a slot. Bismil is currently the slot leader so Geo doesn’t post.

Qej seems a good show so it will perform better. At the end of the day it’s the plot that wins.

Tbh, the moment you have to justify and give explanations that a project is a hit, it is not. This goes for SMD, GM and all those other projects, irrespective of whether it has your fave or not.

I agree that the star value of the cast, the budget, whether it's a mega project, the extent of promotions mean that there are certain expectations attached to the TRP and YT views. Comparing their ratings with that of projects with not much star power, niche subject, low budget, or that were not promoted is a weak comparison, because the expectations are different and the ROI is nowhere the same.

Same if a 12th fail makes a 100 crore, it's a hit. But if a Salman/RanbirSRK/Aamir film makes 100 crores, it's a flop. An A24 film making 100m BO is an achievement but a 100m BO by a MCU film is a disaster. The Rock giving 30m opening BO is a disaster but if a Dev Patel gives it, it's the highlight of his career.

Originally posted by: meandwho

Those two are very different points you made. GM was promoted as biggest commercial venture and the first episode TRP was due to the screening. Farar/Dunyapur is what GM should have been. Thats a commercial failure.

MJ hardly got any budget for promotion, started on a dead slot, was a script where Bilal's screen time was after the 5th episode and it ended by 9th. Sultana apa, the producer in her interview said, this is made to further a cause, she is not expecting much from her trilogy.

I agree with SMD, it delivers on view. It's being watched and talked about even if you say people are panning it, but they are still contributing to the discussion, cant stop watching/reviewing it. Many others have been attributing success to leads, but if its only consistently happening with Wahaj, then Wahaj deserves the credit to bring in consistent views.

i disagree with Mann jogi

for stars like yumna , humayun or bilaal promotion does not matter . crowd will pull towards the show without even promotion .

Saturday slot 8:00 is not dead slot noor jahan has done wonders . jaan nisaar was great . As now sehar khan's show will come at same channel and same slot. will it work or not will depend on the show more than slot or promo

i do agree gentleman was promoted heavily compared to the other shows hence it's failure is quite visible that even the producer did not owe the show in last

Originally posted by: Viaanrocks

i disagree with Mann jogi

for stars like yumna , humayun or bilaal promotion does not matter . crowd will pull towards the show without even promotion .

Saturday slot 8:00 is not dead slot noor jahan has done wonders . jaan nisaar was great . As now sehar khan's show will come at same channel and same slot. will it work or not will depend on the show more than slot or promo

i do agree gentleman was promoted heavily compared to the other shows hence it's failure is quite visible that even the producer did not owe the show in last

For a Bilal show, MJ’s response for sure was underwhelming. But it’s definitely not a commercial failure. Every person who watched it talked about its low budget. Its shoot was completed in 35 days only. Same for Nadan.

Likewise Iqtedar is considered as a better performer than GM or Duniyapur because money involved is way lesser even when the later ones have better TRPs.

Saturday’s slot is considered as a dead slot for Hum Tv not other channels. They were airing old shows on this slot before MJ started.

Originally posted by: meandwho

Those two are very different points you made. GM was promoted as biggest commercial venture and the first episode TRP was due to the screening. Farar/Dunyapur is what GM should have been. Thats a commercial failure.

MJ hardly got any budget for promotion, started on a dead slot, was a script where Bilal's screen time was after the 5th episode and it ended by 9th. Sultana apa, the producer in her interview said, this is made to further a cause, she is not expecting much from her trilogy.

I agree with SMD, it delivers on view. It's being watched and talked about even if you say people are panning it, but they are still contributing to the discussion, cant stop watching/reviewing it. Many others have been attributing success to leads, but if its only consistently happening with Wahaj, then Wahaj deserves the credit to bring in consistent views.

MJ was a finite series that too cause based and came in the same time as NJ and JN, two big budget shows that were already well established by that time...I don't see the comparison between this and full fledged commercial dramas like GM which was overhyped and still failed on both critical and commercial front.

Smd has similar issue of coming in the same slot as Bismil which replaced radd and has been receiving double digit ratings since the start but smd views has been consistently well and masses just cant stop talking about it even if it's just to shade on the actors as if others haven't done series of terrible scripts in their lifetime with mid performances. The fact that every wahaj show gets this scrutinized and talked about shows his impact.

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

Tbh, the moment you have to justify and give explanations that a project is a hit, it is not. This goes for SMD, GM and all those other projects, irrespective of whether it has your fave or not.

I agree that the star value of the cast, the budget, whether it's a mega project, the extent of promotions mean that there are certain expectations attached to the TRP and YT views. Comparing their ratings with that of projects with not much star power, niche subject, low budget, or that were not promoted is a weak comparison, because the expectations are different and the ROI is nowhere the same.

Same if a 12th fail makes a 100 crore, it's a hit. But if a Salman/RanbirSRK/Aamir film makes 100 crores, it's a flop. An A24 film making 100m BO is an achievement but a 100m BO by a MCU film is a disaster. The Rock giving 30m opening BO is a disaster but if a Dev Patel gives it, it's the highlight of his career.

That's not true when it comes to Wahaj

People say Ishq Jalebi was a flop, Mein was disaster, MPHT was flop, and now SMD is flop

During Ishq Jalebi - TRP doesn't matter, Youtube views matter

During SMD - TRP matters, views don't matter

During MPHT - It wasn't as big as Tere Bin

During Mein - Credit goes to others, content matters, views and TRPs don't matter

First tell me the metric by which a product is hit or flop but people find a way to say his projects are flop

Ishq Jalebi of Wahaj doing better in TRPs against A list actors, didn't make it a hit for people so again the last discourse about actors and their popularity is not applicable

You gave a list of dramas with 10M views, there are not many there but when SMD gets it, Geo is buying views and it comes from his supposed "fans" so justification and explanation of hit and flop is given to those who see logic and reason, not to those who want to hate.

Originally posted by: Viaanrocks

i disagree with Mann jogi

for stars like yumna , humayun or bilaal promotion does not matter . crowd will pull towards the show without even promotion .

Saturday slot 8:00 is not dead slot noor jahan has done wonders . jaan nisaar was great . As now sehar khan's show will come at same channel and same slot. will it work or not will depend on the show more than slot or promo

i do agree gentleman was promoted heavily compared to the other shows hence it's failure is quite visible that even the producer did not owe the show in last

MJ lead Nadaan, but before it started the slot was empty. It takes time to build viewership. Suddenly you start airing show on a slot that was dead, many people might not tune in because they might not be aware Hum was airing anything in that slot. Thats why promotions are important. Like GM did for Green channel, to attract new viewers.

https://x.com/ishk_duniya/status/1858964592573206643 Jalwe toh hain

In addition to Khaq's wicked sense of humour..I would like to mention that Usama Khan is the real trp puller..5+6+7+14..consolidated 32 trps across 3 shows..he the real deal ..and maybe let's give him credit for Anmol Ali's show as well..since he has annoyed so many people and been so nasty to Anmol that a lot of us are revenge watching Anmol's latest sensational hit pair because we don't like Usama for what he did...so views also..I think it's all Usama for Iqtidar. People fighting and defending Wajju baby...sorry not so baby..while Usama baazi maar jaayega..that too with that chaplin stash across 5 days that he appears in..

Originally posted by: Orphic

For a Bilal show, MJ’s response for sure was underwhelming. But it’s definitely not a commercial failure. Every person who watched it talked about its low budget. Its shoot was completed in 35 days only. Same for Nadan.

Likewise Iqtedar is considered as a better performer than GM or Duniyapur because money involved is way lesser even when the later ones have better TRPs.

Saturday’s slot is considered as a dead slot for Hum Tv not other channels. They were airing old shows on this slot before MJ started.

for me both MJ and nadaan is boring show .

as per trp and views both were not upto the mark.

i do agree on budget point .

Originally posted by: meandwho

Crowd doesnt watch everything. Thats why there is a difference between commercial and other projects. A low budget drama irrespective of how big a star, will never get a high rating. Check out views on other social dramas for comparison.

MJ lead Nadaan, but before it started the slot was empty. It takes time to build viewership. Suddenly you start airing show on a slot that was dead, many people might not tune in because they might not be aware Hum was airing anything in that slot. Thats why promotions are important. Like GM did for Green channel, to attract new viewers.

i agree certain shows are not crowd puller .

theme of Mann jogi was not everyone's cup of tea but then I did not even like the direction of the show .

take for example kuch ankahi , even it did not get very high views or trp but it is enjoyable show with great repeat value