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1. The original script (yes script) that Ramayan was written in was a derivative of Brahmi what is today modern day sanskrit.

2. I really don't have the inclination to find that list again or type it. You are free to believe whatever you wish.

I honestly wanted a discussion. This isn't what I am here for. Will stay in the EDT thread and discuss the episodes.

Take care.

Originally posted by: DrModel

1. The original script (yes script) that Ramayan was written in was a derivative of Brahmi what is today modern day sanskrit.

2. I really don't have the inclination to find that list again or type it. You are free to believe whatever you wish.

I honestly wanted a discussion. This isn't what I am here for. Will stay in the EDT thread and discuss the episodes.

Take care.

1. Brahmi is a script and Sanskrit is language. These are two completely different things. Brahmi was used to write many languages like Sanskrit, Pali, Madadhi, etc.

Languages and script are not the same thing. English is a language, Roman is a script in which English is written mostly, Avadhi is a language, Devnagri is a script in which Avadhi was mostly written, I can keep on adding

Original Ramayana was composed by Valmiki not written because back then the tradition was to pass down orally rarely written down...And if at all it was written, we don't even know which script it was written first. Since earliest "writing" we have is of 4th century BCE and Ramayana is considered to have been composed before that

2. I didn't ask for the list but for the citation where in it is mentioned that Urmila slept for 14 years which you hadn't shared in that thread. Only thing you shared was a list of some modern retelling books of today(you didn't even mention Valmiki Ramayana)

I wanted a discussion that's why I asked for the citation. You don't want a discussion it's perfectly fine, done share it but still I will share the citation where Ram is waking up Lakshman during exile

Ayodhya Kanda, chapter 56, verses 1 and 3

Nothing to get angry at it

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

What the hell was that

Who wrote these dialogues?

And Ramji couldn't recognize Seeta? She was behaving so strange

Not angry.. just feel patronised and talked down to.

The list I shared are some of the books I was reading. I did not say they were the Ramayan from 200 BC written by Valmiki.

Anyways. I really don't want to debate further because I really have felt rather disrespected.

Your wish to believe whatever you want. I am not here for the disrespect. I have read the nidra part in books that state they are based on Valmiki's Ramayan. You want to believe that; great...you don't up to you.

I also said its hard to post from Kindle.

This interaction has really put me off visiting this forum.

P.S. didn't I explain that Hindi wasn't my first language...why post something in Hindi without asking whether someone can read it or not?

That's like someone from TN posting Kamba Ramayan and asking someone from Punjab to read it. Or someone posting Valmiki Ramayan and asking someone from Indonesia to read it.

Take care.

Originally posted by: DrModel

Not angry.. just feel patronised and talked down to.

The list I shared are some of the books I was reading. I did not say they were the Ramayan from 200 BC written by Valmiki.

Anyways. I really don't want to debate further because I really have felt rather disrespected.

Your wish to believe whatever you want. I am not here for the disrespect. I have read the nidra part in books that state they are based on Valmiki's Ramayan. You want to believe that; great...you don't up to you.

I also said its hard to post from Kindle.

This interaction has really put me off visiting this forum. ,

P.S. didn't I explain that Hindi wasn't my first language...why post something in Hindi without asking whether someone can read it or not?

That's like someone from TN posting Kamba Ramayan and asking someone from Punjab to read it. Or someone posting Valmiki Ramayan and asking someone from Indonesia to read it.

Take care.

You did say Ramayana was written in Brahmi. Not just that, you confused between Language and script stating Brahmi is modern day Sanskrit, I corrected you there

And I really don't understand what talked down to means. I was simply making a point, not even directed to you, you started making it about yourself

Also you were the one who claimed that Nidra part is in the book Ramayana (specifically mentioning Valmiki Ramayana when I asked which Ramayana, you didnt say then based on other works)

I just said that I have read Valmiki Ramayana (not the books based on it) and it does not mention Nidra part anywhere. The books you mentioned are simple retellings of Ramayana, something you or me can write too, and have 0% authenticity, those aren't even any scholarly work on Ramayana, and all state explicitly that they include folklore and other elements yet you want to believe it, do that, but again that doesn't change the fact that these can't be prioritized over Valmiki Ramayana and it's verses.

Valmiki Ramayana Will always remain most authentic work on Ramayana, much more authentic than Ram Charit Manas, the other books you mentioned aren't even in contention, still you want to believe those over actual Ramayana, do that.

See you don't need to post from kindle, now it's pretty clear you weren't quoting Valmiki Ramayana, but few random books, I had asked quote from Ramayana or at least from Ram Charit Manas which as it's clear you didn't have

And really you are the one making it about yourself. If anything it were you who were making statements like "believe whatever you want/I have great knowledge and study etc." Something downshowing others, and then you are saying like it's putting you off IF, that's surprising, a discussion can't be others accepting everything you say, especially when what you say is against the statement of one who is the basic source of that subject.

About the P.S. part, I didn't post anything in Hindi. The things I posted were Valmiki Ramayana verses in Sanskrit and the translation in English. Nothing was in Hindi anywhere.

I expected you to read the English part.

Be in Kamba Ramayana in Punjab or Valmiki Ramayana in Indonesia, people can read it if they are translated in the language of their knowledge

Lots of Greek universities teach Valmiki Ramayana there to Greek students, I have myself read Kamba Ramayana while not knowing even a single word of that language. That exact is the purpose of translation.

Not sure why are you linking knowledge of Hindi to reading Valmiki Ramayana

Anyhow I too am done with this, since you aren't discussing but just making random rants

DT Note

Hello forum members,

This thread is for Ramayan Canon discussions. Any published version of Ramayan is considered canon, and also folklore since a lot of mythology is derived from folklore.

We are not negating or dismissing any forms of Ramayan canon, or endorsing a popular and more accepted form of canon as the only one that can be discussed.

We allow discussions on ALL versions of Ramayana.

Each person maybe familiar with a different version of a scripture depending on their location, or personal preference. Some versions do contradict each other, however, an objective discussion is welcome but subjectively claiming overall superiority of one text and putting down others is not.

Let us be kind to everyone’s interpretations of the text/ story/ show and be thoughtful and mindful with our words.

Regards,

Srimad Ramayan DT

^^^

Thankyou for the note. Just to clarify, I wasn't or am not speaking against any Ramayana cannon, my question specifically if that episode was in Valmiki Ramayana or not which definitely is considered most authentic

Has anyone read Amish Tripathi's Ram Chandra Series? I have only read the first book Ram Scion of Ikshvaku

Character sketch of Dashrath ji baffled me the most, does anyone know from where that inspiration came from?

Originally posted by: RamAayeHain

Has anyone read Amish Tripathi's Ram Chandra Series? I have only read the first book Ram Scion of Ikshvaku

Character sketch of Dashrath ji baffled me the most, does anyone know from where that inspiration came from?

I haven't but what about Dashrath ji baffled you??

I have heard his Ram Chandra series wasn't as good as Melluha series

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I haven't but what about Dashrath ji baffled you??

I have heard his Ram Chandra series wasn't as good as Melluha series

Oh Melluha series was the best, I have read it so many times

Ram Chandra Series I only read first book so can't comment much

In the first book Dashrath ji was not at all happy with Shree Ram's birth, his birth was even considered bad omen as Dashrath ji lost the war with Ravan on that day when Ram ji was born, due to this he was never kind to Shree Ram till ram ji saved his life during Shikaar and Kekeyi was also not on team Ram from starting, she disliked Ram from birth till vachan saga. After Ram saved Dashrath Ji's life he started loving him tooo much seeing how Shree Ram never got angry on him or Kaikeyi for behaving poorly, he also was very calm and understanding and always showed patience by controlling his anger towards every situation .

According to the book Manthara though always wanted bharat to be the king but the reason she hated Ram so much was because when her daughter got gang r**ped , according to laws of Ayodhya the minor couldn't get death sentence, so only 1-2 criminals got death sentenced and the minors were given the punishment juvenile got. This angered her and that's why she hated Ram because he supported law and order over everything and believes laws are equal for everyone no one should get special treatment or added benefits