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Originally posted by: Gods_child

it must not be forest encounters but a proper war against a proper kingdom . And war must be won

Ok then this is a sound reason

Maybe that's why Bharat ji ruled under Ramji's name, so that any war won would come under war won under Ramji

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Ok on a different note I really want to understand what was Keikayi's plan??

I mean why she only asked for 14 years of exile and not lifetime

Her first vachan was to make Bharat the Yuvaraj or crown prince.

Now think of it. Had Dashrath not died for next 15 years, then what would have happened?

Bharat would have served as Yuvaraj under Dashrath fir 14 years and then Ram would have returned when Dashrath could have then announced a change in Yuvaraj and made Ram the Yuvaraj again(that was very much within the power of king to change the Yuvaraj if he finds someone more worthy)

Don't you all think her demand was foolish?

that’s why in this show I felt that they showed her change too fast! They should’ve built up on her pent up anger and so called hatred for Ram built by Manthara.

I think that she just got caught up in ego and arrogance that she didn’t not see things logically?

Originally posted by: RamAayeHain

I don't think that's true if I remember correctly both in Valmiki Ramayan and in serial Raj Rishi suggested Dashrath ji to give all his responsibility to Ram as Ayodhya waasi loves him so much

Ram ji was already yuvraj from childhood as he was the eldest

Regarding celibacy thing, I think as they accepted sanyaasi clothes they were not just normal vanvaaasi but sanyaasi who give up the pleasure of grihast Ashram as well

One doesn't become Yuvaraj just by birth, there was a proper ceremony done to declare as Yuvaraj

This was the ceremony Dashrath ji about to have. Mentioned once when Manthara hears about celebration and next when Seeta ji tells her story during Ravan's custody

Sanyasis did have children unless they vowed for celibacy since mating just for child bearing wasn't considered pleasure of Grishasth Ashram

Valmiki Ramayana

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

See I did not say you are wrong, I myself said that Bal Kand and Uttar Kand are later books. But that part is only for scholarly discussions. Religiously these books have always been a part of Sampoorna Ramayana

Gurukuls have always taught that book while teaching Ramayana. There are no religious source mentioning it as extrapolation but only academic ones

We are free to accept that Academic ones as authentic, but we can not discredit or all the ones who take religious portions accurate wrong.

Aside the behavior of Ram in Yudhh Kand wasn't too different either

The books I have read...they show a different Ram but also during Uttar kand state that he sleeps in a dug section on the floor because he can't bear to sleep on the ground that Sita would be sleeping on.

So RCM isn't religious as per what you are saying?

I think everyone is free to believe whatever they wish.

Also the judgements being passed overall by people are so ironical because in a country that makes Animal a 500 crore grosser despite it being even more misogynistic and patriarchal than Kabir Singh, judging in Kal Yuga what supposedly happened in Treta Yug is so weird to me.

Obviously there is the wish that Ramji would have abdicated the throne but then there is the other dilemma of his duties as a king.

Anyways, everyone is free to believe whatever they choose.

Originally posted by: Tani91

that’s why in this show I felt that they showed her change too fast! They should’ve built up on her pent up anger and so called hatred for Ram built by Manthara.

I think that she just got caught up in ego and arrogance that she didn’t not see things logically?

True she didn't think logically, her plan actually had many chances of getting failed, she succeeded partially just by sheer luck

Manthara told her and she got carried away. If she needed, she should have planned better. But then to her defense, she didn't have much time, she had to plan and execute all in a few hours

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

One doesn't become Yuvaraj just by birth, there was a proper ceremony done to declare as Yuvaraj

This was the ceremony Dashrath ji about to have. Mentioned once when Manthara hears about celebration and next when Seeta ji tells her story during Ravan's custody

Sanyasis did have children unless they vowed for celibacy since mating just for child bearing wasn't considered pleasure of Grishasth Ashram

Valmiki Ramayana

B- I am still confused about this one 🤔🤔🤔 because making yuvraj doesn't make sense, even Kakeyi knew beforehand Ram is yuvraj, she mentioned n number of times ki jab Ram maharaj banenge, will have to recheck

Oh yeah sanyaasi one I just assumed they took the celibacy oath for that period of time but I could be wrong about it

Originally posted by: DrModel

The books I have read...they show a different Ram but also during Uttar kand state that he sleeps in a dug section on the floor because he can't bear to sleep on the ground that Sita would be sleeping on.

So RCM isn't religious as per what you are saying?

I think everyone is free to believe whatever they wish.

Also the judgements being passed overall by people are so ironical because in a country that makes Animal a 500 crore grosser despite it being even more misogynistic and patriarchal than Kabir Singh, judging in Kal Yuga what supposedly happened in Treta Yug is so weird to me.

Obviously there is the wish that Ramji would have abdicated the throne but then there is the other dilemma of his duties as a king.

Anyways, everyone is free to believe whatever they choose.

I am saying Uttar Kand is considered a part of Valmiki Ramayana by religious schools. Didn't say anything about RCM at all

And about believing, I simply said that if people believe Uttar Kand as a part of Ramayana as per Religious schools view, one can't call their belief to be out of nowhere

Originally posted by: RamAayeHain

B- I am still confused about this one 🤔🤔🤔 because making yuvraj doesn't make sense, even Kakeyi knew beforehand Ram is yuvraj, she mentioned n number of times ki jab Ram maharaj banenge, will have to recheck

Oh yeah sanyaasi one I just assumed they took the celibacy oath for that period of time but I could be wrong about it

See it's nearly sure that Crown prince or Yuvaraj becomes the next king. Also being the eldest it was more or less known that he would ascend to the throne. So Keikayi's words were from there (she says Bharat will become king after Ram showing she had limited knowledge of politics)

But the ceremony is needed to officiate any post that was about to happen for Ram, do you really think, Dashrath would have retired(meaning leaving for Vanaprastha) in absence of Bharat and Shatrughan? It was just formal event which was to happen

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

One doesn't become Yuvaraj just by birth, there was a proper ceremony done to declare as Yuvaraj

This was the ceremony Dashrath ji about to have. Mentioned once when Manthara hears about celebration and next when Seeta ji tells her story during Ravan's custody

Sanyasis did have children unless they vowed for celibacy since mating just for child bearing wasn't considered pleasure of Grishasth Ashram

Valmiki Ramayana

Do you think kakeyi was not thinking correctly and mathara knew about shraap by which Dashrath ji will die that's why Manthara suggested Ram's vanvaas 🤔so bharat becomes King without any hindrance

Originally posted by: RamAayeHain

Do you think kakeyi was not thinking correctly and mathara knew about shraap by which Dashrath ji will die that's why Manthara suggested Ram's vanvaas 🤔so bharat becomes King without any hindrance

I don't know. But that's very dark. Hope that wasn't the case