Pootna can never be yashoda.. I hope virat gets killed Friday episode - Page 17

Karishma cried and bonded with Sai and Savi and she s happily smiling and cheering only Vinu.

No use of Karishma track except that BK lost a waris.

Virats half hearted realisation is only for one episode.

Originally posted by: Svt611

makers can say new story but sorry we can not forget the 600 episodes of crimes p has done especially surrogacy as it was wrong morally ethically legally emotionally physically in all ways it was WRONG. As women and many here who are mothers including Trp aunties no one can forgive a mother being deprived of her child just cause she didn’t give birth to him for a vile woman who stole her embryo and tried to kill her only to gain the husband 🤢

Exactly! She used Vinu to marry Virat and come closer to him. Before Sai returned in their lives she was taking care of Vinu just to impress Virat and make him fall in love with her. Her entire life revolved around Virat and not Vinu.

Where was this Yashoda wala so called pyaar of hers when she saw Virat giving CPR to Sai? Tab toh she acted like a victim who was cheated by her husband and decided to commit suicide. Tabhi not once did she think about her nanha baal gopal. After she became kokhless also when she felt Virat is slowly 'spending time' with Sai she again started using her trump card Vinu to guilt trip Virat.

Virat is not bothered about how Sai brought up Savi alone.

P had one whole army for help, never had financial issues and a husband for support. She left Vinu to sleep alone with braces. She came to him only when she knows she can't have a child.

I won't be surprised if Vinu calls P aai n some time, just like V changed from Patralekha to Pakhi.

Balaram is that 7th child. In prison, when Devaki was pregnant with 7th child everyone thought the foetus was aborted but in reality goddess yogamaya transferred the foetus into Rohini's womb ( Vasudev's 1st wife). By blood Balram is Devaki's son but Rohini gave birth.

Originally posted by: Shree15

Just bcoz there is so much refrence to this mythology, something I want to point out.....

I rem after Vinu's birth, the narrative gave the same analogy and Sai said that even Lord Krishna has two mothers, same way Vinu will have two mothers also, the one who birthed him which was Pakhi and the one who would raise him which was Sai, so as per pre leap narrative Pakhi was Devaki, the birth giver and Sai was Yashoda, the raiser, now they suddenly changed the narrative and Pakhi is Yashoda and Sai is Devaki, but the thing this Yashoda Devaki analogy doesn't feet Vinu at all, coz his story isn't similar to Krishna and makers themselves are confused whether Pakhi is Yashoda or Devaki in Vinu's life........

So what they are missing is, Vinu's story isn't comparable to Lord Krishna but it's actually comparable to Lord Balram, the elder brother of Lord Krishna, I don't know if y'll know this mythology story about his birth or not, but Balram was Devaki and Vasudev's son who was birthed and raised by Rohini, Balram was actually considered a mythological Surrogate child, he was Seventh child of Devaki and Vasudev and when Kansa was in his killing spree of Devaki's children, to protect the seventh child, Lord Vishnu took out the Embryo of Devaki Vasudev's seventh child and put it in the womb of Rohini and then Rohini gave birth to Devaki and Vasudev's seventh child who is called Lord Balram, also he was raised by Rohini in Gokul and then he went away with Lord Krishna to save their parents and then got united with them......

Vinu's story is similar to Lord Balram where the one who birthed and raised him wasn't his real mother........

Here what I want to tell is Surrogacy concept was in our mythology too, Lord Balram was birthed and raised by Rohini but his mother was always Devaki coz he was Devaki's ansh, Rohini is always considered as Balram's Surrogate and foster mother and Devaki his real mother, if our ancient mythologies are so clear that who is real mother then why the makers can't be clear is beyond me and if they want to use mythological references then use the correct one, Vinu's story is not similar to Krishna but Balram......

Ps: Also no way I'm comparing Pakhi with any sacred religious characters just giving an example coz the show provided it as part of the episode discussion, but I've seen many ppl have misconception that just bcoz Sai only gave Ansh and its Pakhi who gave Vinu birth and raised him hence Sai has no right on Vinu, should go through the story of Lord Balram where his real mother is always considered as Devaki by the virtue of being his biological mother even though she didn't give him birth or raised him, so if our ancient mythologies are so clear regarding the concept of Surrogacy then why can't we and makers........🤷🏻‍♀️

I remember talking about this during the surrogacy track

Balraam was Devaki ka 7th son .. who Kans assumes to be killed before birth .. but has been taken by the first wife of krushna’s dad Rohini..

Even lord Kartikeya were a test tube baby

And of course 100 sons of kaurav dynasty

Thank you so much for this info about Balram.🤗 So this way too Vinu has to go to his aai only.

Makers will keep viewers confused inlieu of maintaining suspense but end up as idiots.

Vinayak is not krishna nor bakrama because the villains in his life are his dad n step mom ..

Nobody else ..there is no greater cause in his birth other than being a chirag to the worthless Chavans

Wow... thank you Shree... didn't knew about Balram. Makes so much sense...

On a slightly different tangent... I was watching SP clips on YT and especially the Janmashtami episode.

I remember making this point during surrogacy.

While Sai and V had planned to name the kids after Ganpati Bappa.... Ghum had always referred to them as Balgopal and Radha.

BK mentions this in Janmashtami celebration and then immediately the flower drops in Sais hand.

Later during surrogacy too...this reference to Krishna comes back ... through Sai.

So Vinayak as per Ghum narrative is Kanha... with 2 mothers. One who gave her DNA and one who gave nourishment in womb.

Partly a reason why everyone was against P as surrogate because no one sees her motives altruistic.

But for Ghum makers... she will be Vinus mother in some sense. And they are stressing this point through Sai.

In spite of everything pre leap... Sai had forgiven P... even now she is okay if Vinu calls P mumma... point being... if Sai as a mother is okay with it... will the audience outrage matter? Don't think the makers will pay heed to this.

What does matter though is it doesn't mean P has more rights on Vinu... Sai should always be the one on higher pedestal for everyone.

Secondly... while we may crib about the treatment especially in recent episodes, the overall story has not diverged.

In Janmashtami... only Sai got the blessing... in cowrie... The blessings were for Sai and V... P became a medium...

So even if the makers continue on the path they have set for themselves... Sai will get Vinu... but will always share him with P...

Until and unless P dies or is jailed or harms Vinu herself... her contribution will never be negated.

On the other side though... P mouthing big dialogues about loving an adopted son and still being salty at the fact that she can't give birth to V and her biological child and then running away with Vinu is to highlight her hypocrisy....

Beautiful Shree. Though I knew about Balram, I didn’t place it in this scenario. And how you have out this makes perfect sense.

There are so many examples of surrogacy in our mythology. Mahabharata and Ramayan before that. And it is not limited to surrogacy or branches of conceiving and reproduction. It is not surprise Hinduism is considered as a science if we get into the depth of it.

The similarity here is that the embryo of Devaki and Vasudev was planted in Rohini's womb. Which is the concept of surrogacy. Unlike Krishna who was born to Devaki and given to Yashoda. As she becomes his mother through adoption.

But what they have done is, they have split these two concepts between pre leap and post leap. Pre leap P was Rohini and post leap she is Yashoda (as she has adopted Vinu).

They changed the narrative with the "supposedly" changed P and the story line.

However, in all this comparison, the one big differentiating factor that remain jarringly evident is the intent and the character.

None of the women that I have read about in mythology wrt surrogacy have the negative character or evil side to them. Whether adopted or surrogacy. From Gandhari to Kunti or Madri, to Mother Earth, to Parvati and Ganga, to Rohini, Devaki and Yashoda. None had any ill-intent. The child born to the surrogate or brought up by the adoptive mother, none had an evil trait. None wished ill, nor was the birthing done with a selfish intent. They are all pure forms of Motherhood.

This is the reason this whole reference to mythology and surrogate/adopted mother does not fit in here and makes a mockery of it all.

Even Yashoda, though heartbroken freed her son and held no ill feelings for Devaki.

Another point that was being made (can't recall it was BTS or the episode), that Krishna is known more as Yashoda's son rather than Devaki. This stress being made wrt to P and Vinu is so wrong. The fact that P will always have an upper stature and will come first for Vinu. This is where they are shifting. The prominence to P.

They are shifting the character parallel based on the pre leap and post leap change in the character. The supposed reformed and loving mother P. Alas!

Originally posted by: Moor278

Wow... thank you Shree... didn't knew about Balram. Makes so much sense...

On a slightly different tangent... I was watching SP clips on YT and especially the Janmashtami episode.

I remember making this point during surrogacy.

While Sai and V had planned to name the kids after Ganpati Bappa.... Ghum had always referred to them as Balgopal and Radha.

BK mentions this in Janmashtami celebration and then immediately the flower drops in Sais hand.

Later during surrogacy too...this reference to Krishna comes back ... through Sai.

So Vinayak as per Ghum narrative is Kanha... with 2 mothers. One who gave her DNA and one who gave nourishment in womb.

Partly a reason why everyone was against P as surrogate because no one sees her motives altruistic.

But for Ghum makers... she will be Vinus mother in some sense. And they are stressing this point through Sai.

In spite of everything pre leap... Sai had forgiven P... even now she is okay if Vinu calls P mumma... point being... if Sai as a mother is okay with it... will the audience outrage matter? Don't think the makers will pay heed to this.

What does matter though is it doesn't mean P has more rights on Vinu... Sai should always be the one on higher pedestal for everyone.

Secondly... while we may crib about the treatment especially in recent episodes, the overall story has not diverged.

In Janmashtami... only Sai got the blessing... in cowrie... The blessings were for Sai and V... P became a medium...

So even if the makers continue on the path they have set for themselves... Sai will get Vinu... but will always share him with P...

Until and unless P dies or is jailed or harms Vinu herself... her contribution will never be negated.

On the other side though... P mouthing big dialogues about loving an adopted son and still being salty at the fact that she can't give birth to V and her biological child and then running away with Vinu is to highlight her hypocrisy....

Moor, I feel they are mixing mythological references basis tracks. They are not following a single story, but are borrowing concepts and applying them where needed. Why I say this.

I mentioned in my response to Shree.

Pre leap - P was the surrogate mother. but post leap she has adopted Vinu (the surrogacy part is hidden). Hence the reference to "Yashoda and Krishna". This mythological reference is only restricted to P-Sai-Vinu and their dynamics and not to the entire story

Now the reference with Bappa comes in wrt Sairat family. Sai-V-Savi-Vinu. In that context, Vinu is actually Kartikeya and Savi is Ganesh. Vinu stayed away from his parents like Kartikeya who was separated from his parents before birth. Savi on the other hand is Bappa "Vighnaharta". She brought Vinu and V back to her family in a way breaking the obstacles constantly bringing the family together despite all the problems.

I agree. P is now forever tied to their lives to Vinu. And Sai herself will not take away that place from P, despite all that she has done to Sai and her family. And this is the way makers proceed. Through Sai. Because we may Sai shouldn’t do it, but we know that is what she will do.

I so want the evil personification show her venomous side and is thrown out of their lives. There is no alternative. But then again, who are we?