Main victim pain ignored - Page 3

Originally posted by: MuguetDScorpion

And that's exactly my point too that when did Ghum show anything sensible ? They used to before when Shivani needed help, Ashwini had dialogues, Sai had real issues to fight for instead of bekaar saas bahu drama. Even then it was quite limited.

And about Pakhi's nonsense, it has always been like this. They sometimes give her more importance than the lead.

So questioning about why the main lead is shown having regret, guilt, pain whatever it is, is plain "Let's bash the character because even when he is being nice and positive he should get bashed". 😆

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

Don't know why you brought pulkit here.

Pulkit is not a victim of abuse like aai.

And sai was helping pulkit & people would have loved had virat too helped aai by taking stand for her when needed not just now that too because of other person initiative.

I agree with what you said about aai character. That's exactly why I posted this. They atleast should show her voice outing her pain instead of showing her as a furniture.

Why ? Well to prove that the makers give the leads more importance to others problem. Like Pulkit couldn't solve his problem without Sai same way Ashwini Ninad's problem will be solved by Virat and maybe SaiRat. Every problem is not about abuse, pain, emotions...

Virat and Aai are both is in equilibrium at this moment.. His father says that he never loved his mother at all... It's already too much to take for any child because that immediately raises many questions about his existence.. Virat is shown guilt ridden ,remorseful and hurt at the same time...rught now he won't be able to posses anything else..All he wants to see his mother's happy faces.. May be male her feel loved and wanted by his father. .

Though I agree 37 years of bitterness and pain cannot be resolved in one day.. It would make more sense instead of celebrating anniversary for this meaningless marriage Virat should try to establish her mother's right as other family members in the house..

Originally posted by: Shaome

Virat and Aai are both is in equilibrium at this moment.. His father says that he never loved his mother at all... It's already too much to take for any child because that immediately raises many questions about his existence.. Virat is shown guilt ridden ,remorseful and hurt at the same time...rught now he won't be able to posses anything else..All he wants to see his mother's happy faces.. May be male her feel loved and wanted by his father. .

Though I agree 37 years of bitterness and pain cannot be resolved in one day.. It would make more sense instead of celebrating anniversary for this meaningless marriage Virat should try to establish her mother's right as other family members in the house..

I wish they would have made him demand respect for his mother...There is no point celebrating anniversary Had the issues been only because Ashwini was insecure of Ninad, I would have held her responsible as well..But the way she is treated like a maid, when she takes care of all his needs...I cannot hold her responsible..You dont love a woman who is your child's mother, fine...But atleast have some respect for her... Just a day back Ashwini leaves Sai and Virat saying, Ninad is waiting for his milk, Ill leave...That woman was happy when he played Harmonium, happy for him...and all he speaks about is how she never understood his relationship with his Vehni...and not how he treats her...

Originally posted by: MuguetDScorpion

You are again taking my comment in a different way then what I am trying to say.

The topic was about Virat, right ? Why his pain and guilt is shown instead of Ashwini's. And then in comment mentioning that they show Pakhi's bakwaas scenes then why not show Ashwini's pain for 2 min. I would have understood her point if she had written it that way because even I want to see a proper reconciliation. Ninad understanding his mistakes, Ashwini telling what she kept inside for so long. I definitely wanted them to agree for the anniversary celebration by their own not because Virat questioned them that he is their samjhota. Yeah I think I saw a clip like this on twitter.

That's why it comes as Virat's bashing. Why won't they show a son who for 30 years didn't understand his mother's pain finally realizes it because he went through the same. He knows how it feels when you are not loved back. It took him long and that's why they are showing his emotions. You are one of the old members so you know how we all used to bash Virat for not understanding Ashwini or shouting at her. Then we also bashed Ashwini for not loving him like a mother loves her son and probably that's why they aren't close. That's why Virat's emotions are given important here.

Yes Ashwini's emotions should have been shown along with Virat's realization and guilt. I think asking for both would have been a better way to say the Ghum writers are shit.

I am also not bringing the past. I am talking about bashing Virat when he is positive. I think he receives enough bashing when he is wrong and rightly so. He deserves it. When Ninad and Kaku became positive we actually accepted them even though they are criminals. Once they will do something wrong we will bash them again. Just like we do with Virat too... but sometimes we also bash him unnecessary.

Anyways let's just accept that we all would have liked to see Ashwini's feelings and emotions. How it is shown we might not agree with it. 😆

Just one point, which might be out of topic, on that Ninad and Kaku have been always established as grey shaded, moreover negative leads...When negative members of the family turn positive, its accepted.. many a times rejoiced upon...Virat cannot be equated with them, Virat was established positive, a man of farz beyond emotions, a man who respects women, a man who respects his mother...and they made him defy all of this, for which he was loved...The switch in his character cannot be compared. Its the expectation they squashed with respect to Virat is what have got him bashed...When positive ones behave in a negative manner, unfortunately they are bashed more.

My understanding is story is shown from Virat Sai and Pakhi perspective.

Everything revolves around them and not the supporting characters. Even if supporting characters have better stories or drama to be shown. In itv plus with Ghum standards this is the best we would get.

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

@bold Because the pain, guilt,regret everything suddenly popped up not when his mother told him she was being treated as a servant. When the one day guilt is highlighted more than the pain of years of abuse then people will express how they sidelined main victim here. If u feel this is bashing then as ur wish🤷.

That's the main problem with the show isn't it. Things happen for months and then sudden realization, guilt, remorse etc etc. They are going to patch up Ashwini Ninad through Virat (Maybe SaiRat as a team) that's why his emotions are highlighted.

Plus they have stopped showing Ashwini's pain. They even stopped showing Ninad as the jerk he used to be earlier. Virat's realization or not, him helping them to have a happy married life or not, their emotions won't come out suddenly. They have accepted the situation since long. It's Virat who has realized. Ashwini is not suddenly going to cry a river or lash out at people. Her emotions will be the same as she had for 36+ years.

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Just one point, which might be out of topic, on that Ninad and Kaku have been always established as grey shaded, moreover negative leads...When negative members of the family turn positive, its accepted.. many a times rejoiced upon...Virat cannot be equated with them, Virat was established positive, a man of farz beyond emotions, a man who respects women, a man who respects his mother...and they made him defy all of this, for which he was loved...The switch in his character cannot be compared. Its the expectation they squashed with respect to Virat is what have got him bashed...When positive ones behave in a negative manner, unfortunately they are bashed more.

That I won't deny that a positive turning negative will get more bashing than the other way. But my point is we accept the change and we bash the wrong. But Virat is one of the characters even when he is right will get bashed by some. 😆

Originally posted by: MuguetDScorpion

That I won't deny that a positive turning negative will get more bashing than the other way. But my point is we accept the change and we bash the wrong. But Virat is one of the characters even when he is right will get bashed by some. 😆

That is because Virat has been very inconsistent, when it comes to what he talks about his principles and how he practices them and yet its much more than what they played with Sai.. Virat has disappointed a lot of viewers, including me , who was in this show for him. They kept on butchering his character for whatever reason. Just recently my Aunt and her househelp were talking, how he will again get back to his abusive behaviour the moment he is hurt and that its a pattern... You see that was not expected of this ML, there may be MLs in other show, but not Virat Chavan that was introduced here in this show...

I will give you and example...

Aprajeeta the actor who played RK in KD, was so good and polite towards Emon that even I would get confused if she is taunting, manipulating or genuine...So Rono getting confused and embarrassed about Emon's behaviour towards her was justified. for example when she shouts at Emon for not understanding Rono and his feelings just a day before her accident... It appears to me that she is concerned about Rono and she is scolding Emon like an elder sister...I was so confused there.. for a moment...She is so convincing that most of the times of you do not understand her you would feel Emon is being very disrespectful towards her while she is so polite...So the third angle kind of was justified there...

Here Pakhi comes across as vile and agressive she makes Virat look dumb when he fights for her respect or teams up with her or gets manipulated....you see the scenes where she gets gifts for Rono and Emon you would be like she genuinely got it...and here Pakhi gives it with a contempt on her face...so copying those scenes with an actor like Aishwarya...makes Virat look like a fool and nothing else..

I have noticed they started giving Pakhi dialogues , when it was out in open she is not able to do the graceful manipulator part, so when she enters and gives gifts to Virat she has a monologue, while RK did not, just to let the audience know what she is thinking....Actress has been incapable all throughout...Regrading coming out rude...that's her body language ...Its very aggressive and looks like she is always in attacking mode...Recently that has grown.....

RK was a great manipulator and came across extremely dignified... The way she says I am a married woman dont talk to me like that at the hospital to Pulkit looks so genuine that you would actually believe it for a moment..Pakhi goes on toh do ...SAHHHMMHHRAAAT, VIRAAATT!!

RK in between EMon and ROno was justified.. SHe did come across that she made a mistake, everytime she created a ruckus and is trying to make amends..move on...so Rono getting manipulated because of a past could be justified....For Virat it does not because the actor has said so many thing and is incapable..

For instance in the cafe scene all RK wanted ROno to do was to acknowledge his feelings for her , acknowledge the commitment..You see you feel bad for her there...SHe did not want to leave the family and run away with him...Look at what Pakhi says to him and yet Virat goes back to accuse Sai of being jealous of her, of not being like her...Makes no sense, because Pakhi spoke so much against Sai and also spoke about running away with him, suggesting an illegal relationship when Virat denied to divorce Sai...RK never asked him to divorce EMon in the first place...

RK had tears of guilt when EMon commits suicide... Even if you see the accident conversation...RK was more worried about Rono blaming himself so it all looked fine...Here we have a Pakhi yet again talking in contempt about a woman who is dying... SO in all this , if you see, blind copy paste has made Virat just not an abuser and someone who is cheating his wife in a way...Because there has been so much talks between Pakhi and Virat, especially at cafe...and yet he goes on to justify her...take her side, disrespecting his own wife who points out her intentions, the intention that she clearly told him... You see they have made Virat a look foolish in all this... to behave the way he behaved before accident track...

RK was so convincing as an actor that you could never say she is the villain, she would convince you that she is a victim here...

So there is a certain degree of thrashed expectations from Virat...bit by bit...You really dont know how he would behave some one month from now... with Patralekha or Sai or Devi or Aai. Thats what the makers have done to him... First they played with Mere liye Farz jazbaat se pehle and turned him into an abuser, in the name of copy paste and then again, since Patralekha is being played so bad that now he appears plain foolish w.r.t. her...The same man who said 2 min mei jhuth pakad leta hun...

Originally posted by: Shaome

Virat and Aai are both is in equilibrium at this moment.. His father says that he never loved his mother at all... It's already too much to take for any child because that immediately raises many questions about his existence.. Virat is shown guilt ridden ,remorseful and hurt at the same time...rught now he won't be able to posses anything else..All he wants to see his mother's happy faces.. May be male her feel loved and wanted by his father. .

Though I agree 37 years of bitterness and pain cannot be resolved in one day.. It would make more sense instead of celebrating anniversary for this meaningless marriage Virat should try to establish her mother's right as other family members in the house..