Should such shows be allowed for mass consumption? - Page 4

Originally posted by: nikita05

The standards they have set are too low.

You cringe seeing the fake loving bond of Kaku and Devi, after years of torture and abuse that was inflicted on Devi by Trimurti, for which no redemption was shown.

You somewhere feel happy when Devi remembers that her aai was 'Gandi', thinking that atleast makers remember what they had shown once and did not forget it in their project 'whitewash'.

Oh absolutely. The honour killing of Devyani was another horrible track - how easily it is all forgotten.

@bold I thought I was the only one who like it....🤣. Small mercies you see...

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

See disclaimers are useless. Every cigarette packet has disclaimer .

People dont know the difference between right and wrong, that is the problem na. Aisa hota to there will not be any social evil.

Channels are driven by market - as long as people see crap, they will dish out crap. If we point at CV, he will point at PH, PH will point at channel, channel will cite competition. There is no end. IF, however, the BCCC sets strict guidelines, then all channels will be bound by it and this competition for regressive content will stop.

Disclaimers are given so that the channel and production responsibility ends there? If you take the complaint about Ghum to BCCC, the chances of complaint being quashed more than show being shut down. The Max BCCC will do it is add few scenes to make sure that wrong message is not sent and tell the audience to take the show with a pinch of salt.

If I am being really honest without mincing words, no higher authority will take a strong action against 'locking up' scene or Chavans taunting and making life hell for Sai because that's not really going against broadcasting code of conduct.

P.S: They can even say, we are running a show, not a moral science class.

Yes it’s sad … they love showing the domestic abuse …but redemption is not done .. they should have shown Sai leaving virat .. going away .. for some time .both of them reflecting why they need each other .. they haven’t even shown virat peeping at the cupboard to see her pendant ..

There is no missing as such .. virat doesn’t even reflect that Sai was telling her byes in the morning ..

Sai will already call him back and want to see him .. he will be sharing coconut water with her ..

It just leaves us feeling short changed

Originally posted by: nutmeg7

What if ALL production houses and serials say, "We create drama and we make sure we say this is a work of fiction."

We all made a hue and cry over locking up incident and sent petitions. I am sure that was not even read, forget being considered. In so many shows, negative leads are slapped. Isn't that celebrated? Majority viewers are satisfied. Why? Isn't that abuse too? Who decides censorship?

Scenes like these are incorporated assuming audience knows the difference between right and wrong. Majority, if not all. Who are channels and PH to patronise?

I as a person never relate with such scenes nor do I enjoy these sequences as such. I don't watch ITV as such because of these very reasons.

Abuse is normalised on another level on ITV, you are correct when you make that point. Knowing our country and its dynamics we are aware that a lot of families encourage such behaviour, slapping, locking etc... which is why when these TV shows show such sequences they can try being careful. Because, when they show such content they give that power to families doing such actions.

For eg. Ninad in our show thought it was ok to land a slap on Sai's face because he was her FIL even though he had no personal equations with her as a person at all.

Who decides right and wrong? Say Virat had an accident instead of Sai at this point and one of the trio slapped her for whatever happened would it be right? Physical abuse on existing mental abuse.

Which is why physical violence should be exercised very carefully in TV shows, one person's right could be another person's wrong.

PS: We are having a normal discussion in this thread, do not take offense people😅

Originally posted by: nutmeg7

We all talk about redemption and justice, coming to Ghum, would love to know what redemption everyone wants for...

Virat

Kaku and co.

Patralekha

I feel Ghum fandom is more agitated in general because we have a clearly immoral villain but the showrunners keep pushing Grey area here which is not the case.

The problem is more on the lines of lack of acknowledgement of wrong actions off-screen by the actors playing the character. They are actually justifying everything they do, which is even more disappointing because they may have started out with a highly educated and powerful man taking up the responsibility of a 19 year old orphan but that orphan has won over the audience at large say 60-70% based on various offline observations.

Even if there is no redemption for Virat the least the audience expects is small acceptances from the character on screen that he did tiptoe the line to the other side in the name of responsibility. Virat still has chances of a redemption.

Kaku & Co: No redemption in my eyes would whitewash them. They are criminals, they have kidnapped, blackmailed, tortured their own daughter and actually participated in mentally destroying her sanity.

Patralekha: More than redemption she needs to come out of her delusional world. She needs to stop justifying her actions in her own head, she needs to stop doing highly immoral activities to just have her way. She needs help, she has committed small crimes along the way if she's not checked she can turn into a full blown criminal in the show. Add to it that she is always whitewashed no matter how many times her hypocrisy is exposed.

Originally posted by: Saumya96

This is my concern from start. The toxicity which this show has. We here in forum actually could discuss about right and wrongs. But many viewers on TV accept the way they are showing. I just scroll through the insta fan pages of this show and I really feel bad that there too people support Virat for everything just because he is a ML. Ok this is something different point I understand, but as a genuine viewer is it compulsion on us to accept the relationship shown between ML and FL just because they are leads.?

The show always promotes this toxicity. It shows how Sai is totally dependent on Virat and how he treats her in the name of love.? And how Mrs Samrat could do anything in the name of her love.??

@bold: oh yes, they do... Some comments on YouTube are also too much... Since Sai is not that typical bahu, many people don't like her and makes vile comments. They literally want the character to end because she is 'badtameez' and does not understand Virat's love.

The thing we cringe at, abuse being normalised as 'anban', many people agree with that. For them, Virat's abuse= Sai's rudeness at anniversary. I am not saying she was right, she was not but for that behaviour she had to pay for so many days.

@red: that's another thing these days with many other shows too, third angles go to any extent to get their love... Just the difference is they get called out from time to time, here Didi is not.

Originally posted by: nikita05

@bold: oh yes, they do... Some comments on YouTube are also too much... Since Sai is not that typical bahu, many people don't like her and makes vile comments. They literally want the character to end because she is 'badtameez' and does not understand Virat's love.

The thing we cringe at, abuse being normalised as 'anban', many people agree with that. For them, Virat's abuse= Sai's rudeness at anniversary. I am not saying she was right, she was not but for that behaviour she had to pay for so many days.

@red: that's another thing these days with many other shows too, third angles go to any extent to get their love... Just the difference is they get called out from time to time, here Didi is not.

@bold: I don't understand for what then people watch this show.? For all lovey dovey only.? Coz in real you have to understand the story. If the story doesn't teach you something then it's a waste. And here, ghum is totally a waste..!!!!

Originally posted by: Saumya96

@bold: I don't understand for what then people watch this show.? For all lovey dovey only.? Coz in real you have to understand the story. If the story doesn't teach you something then it's a waste. And here, ghum is totally a waste..!!!!

Sadly, yes....many people are ok tiptoeing the lines of right/wrong/unacceptable sequences to ship a couple they enjoy🙈

To each their own, of course. If they enjoy, they can continue to enjoy it.

Originally posted by: nutmeg7

Disclaimers are given so that the channel and production responsibility ends there? If you take the complaint about Ghum to BCCC, the chances of complaint being quashed more than show being shut down. The Max BCCC will do it is add few scenes to make sure that wrong message is not sent and tell the audience to take the show with a pinch of salt.

If I am being really honest without mincing words, no higher authority will take a strong action against 'locking up' scene or Chavans taunting and making life hell for Sai because that's not really going against broadcasting code of conduct.

P.S: They can even say, we are running a show, not a moral science class.

Yes dear, you have hit the nail on the head precisely (without mincing words)😆

That is my problem - how utterly useless BCCC is. As you said, channels will not bother.

Originally posted by: nutmeg7

We all talk about redemption and justice, coming to Ghum, would love to know what redemption everyone wants for...

Virat

Kaku and co.

Patralekha

For Virat, they can spend sometime on his self introspection. When so many people are asking about what went wrong in his marriage, can't he give it a thought. He should be strict with bff, maintaining distance independent of his relationship status with his wife. He tends to blur the lines of morality, atleast awareness on that part. He can't be explicit with his brother about his wife's shenanigans but atleast give him a hint about it. Come clean about his past in front of his wife and brother and don't try to find solace in bhabhi, words and actions should match that many a times, don't... He should have some anger management classes and him and Sai can go for marriage counseling sessions, this track was nicely shown in KRPKAB. Start thinking of Sai as an equal 'wife' and not an inferior 'zimmedaari', irrespective of their love story status. Keep Kamal Sir's passport size photo handy as a reminder of what all he had done for him, so that his actions remain in control.

Kaku and co., Should have shown their gradual change of heart, not like one day, everyone happy, everything forgotten. The younger generation being indifferent and aloof to the Trimurti, not showing the kind of affection and respect they have been showing since the start. Pulkit being a bit sensible and stern with kaku, fight for his and his family's dignity. Them, not coming to Chavan Niwas for some days after marriage, Sai-Virat, Mohit-Karishma could go, but kaku not allowed to meet. Slowly and steadily they realise their mistakes, with flashbacks, feel guilty, kaku wants to meet Harinee being Devi's daughter but not allowed to. Slowly and steadily, ice breaks, that kind of redemption would be atleast digestible, not this attend party to redeem. Till this time, I get scared when they show Devi coming to Chavan Niwas alone in Pulkit, Sai's absence thinking what if they again start abusing Devi.

Patralekha is irredeemable. She should be called out for everything she did with no one supporting her. Samrat should divorce her. Virat should break friendships bond and never see or meet her again. She can take some time in rehabilitation center to heal. Then she can have a new start with a new job (maybe some NGO) and get a new partner.