Virat and Pakhi are not in an emotional affair - a different view - Page 2

Originally posted by: Nja91

For example virat clearly registered PPs intent in the hospital scene when she says i maybe only friend to you but you are special for me. Yet he chooses to lean on her for comfort rather than asking her to leave.

Correct... This is where he knowingly gives her a leeway.8 As his wife, Sai has full right to be miffed and think what she is thinking right now, before the accident, I meant.

Its past the point ehere its "unknowingly". He needs to BAN pp from his life and from his bedroom. Its definitely not impossible. For example karishma is effectively a stranger to Virat from what we've been shown. Theres no connection/interaction beyond BIL-SIL. So why cant Virat do the same with PP?! And he should be consciously avoiding pp after everything she has said/done. But here he is hell-bent on letting her interfere more n more in his life.

Originally posted by: Nja91

Great post. But everything you listed is precisely why Virat needs to realize and introspect about WHY Sai will NOT see his interactions with pp as being platonic.

I fully agree. I'm very disappointed with both the introspection that Sai was supposed to have following him being indifferent and his introspection now about why she left, not out of impulse but having thought it through. From what I have read here, he is supposed to come to a realisation about PK during this hospital track, but we will have to wait and see.

He needs to realize that Sai is not petty. She may be brash but shes actually very sensitive. She maybe stubborn but she is not stupid. She was mature enough to ask him to go to pp right after their marriage to talk to her. She was mature enough to understand the necessity for pp n him to go to ladakh. She didnt intend on joining them. She was genuinely ok with it. If she repeatedly drags pp in between them now, its not out of stubbornness, its out of genuine insecurity n discomfort. And if Virat cant deal with that and decides he is now no longer going to be patient /understanding then thats his loss.

you noted in the post, the criteria for emotional cheating. He has ticked off all the boxes of an emotional affair without even realizing it. It may not be intentional or consensual but its happening and Sai perceives that he is emotionally invested in pp so much that theres no space for her in his life/heart as a "wife". His mild manneredness with pp and the leverage he still gives her even AFTER he has seen how low she can go, how vile she is- its unacceptable. It means that somewhere he is getting an ego boost out of this woman pining after him, he is enjoying the attention....theres no other explanation for why he allows pp so nuch leeway. How can he still call a woman like pp a friend. How can he NOT call her vahini but instead call her pakhi.

I completely agree about PK being given too much leeway, particularly during this track when he was acting in a vile manner towards Sai. I'm not sure if it is an ego boost or him enjoying the attention. I'm genuinely confused, because I can see the case for it being both. I choose to look at it as the flaws of Virat's character and his make up. He has this stupid notion that just because he has decided something or moved on, then that means everyone else around him has. He is an emotional idiot or has the emotional range of a child and I think that is why he thinks to himself that he turned down PK and told him to try with Samrat, which she is giving the appearance of moving on. He just takes that as truth and it is not until PK expressly states he is more than a friend, like in today's episode, that he realises the truth. He chooses to live in a black and white world and ignore the grey with everything, which is a huge character flaw of his. But he has said that he is not someone who lives in his past, he just has not realised not everyone can be like him. This, together with his non-confrontational nature (other than Sai) and also the Samrat dynamic is, I think, all part of the reason I think he does not expose PK to everyone. Despite his still saying she is a friend to the whole family, I'm not sure if he really considers this true, but what would be the alternative? If he told the family that she is no longer his friend or is just her SIL, then that requires more explanations to the family, which he does not want to give. I think it is the same with calling her Vahini or Patralekha. He started calling her Patralekha before cafe incident, but when telling the family about it he reverted back to Pakhi, because Samrat had earlier called him out on it. I think if he changed from calling her Pakhi as he always had done, it requires more questions or raises more suspicions like Samrat had, i.e. he is trying to show something that is not true, rather than living his truth. If he continues to call her Pakhi, but clarifies she is only a friend, I think (at least from his view) it gives more credibility to the truth that he has no feelings for her, rather than him trying to show he has moved on simply for Samrat's sake. As with Sai, who I think he can be himself more with (flaws and all), I actually cannot remember when was the last time he told her that PK was his friend. I don't think he refers to PK as his friend to even Sai, but rather has focussed on telling Sai that she is important to him and not PK. That is why I don't think he actually considers her a friend, but he has no other label for it that he can express without confrontation from everyone, which he wants to avoid. I wonder whether he will come to this realisation when him and Sai confess and clear the air?

Even after Samrat pp have declared their intention to "move on" why does pp keep barging in to Sairat room and their space and their matters. Its obvious she is deliberately riling Sai up. And Virat is acting as if he is dumb n cant see the obvious.

Again, I agree with you! This is one of the most frustrating things to watch. Again, looking at Virat as broken man wanting to be indifferent and actually hurt Sai (which is what I think he is wanting to do for his own hurt), he just ignores this and is ignorant to the effects it has on Sai and why this is what is costing him his relationship with Sai. Before that, you could see he was questioning PK as to why she was barging in without knocking (200th episode) and hanging around (birthday episode). He is so emotionally stunted and idiotic that once he is suffering the hurt from the anniversary, he is blind to everything but his own self-pity and emotional turmoil

And in the hospital scene today she again honestly tells him "you are too special" etc etc- so she's cheating her brother too. She proved that Sai was right. She'd never do what she was doing if she truly had moved on and decided to give her brother a chance. And virat clearly registered that, looked disgusted by it and YET he chose to hold her hands and cry! I mean its ridiculous.

On the handholding he clearly should not have done it, but I think he did it as part of his complete breaking down and desperation over what happened to Sai. I think his dialogues reinforced this to me, when he said "if you really want to do something for me", knowing that PK would not do anything for Sai voluntarily, and also importantly told her to pray with "pure and/or true heart", which signalled to me that he has not forgotten or is not unaware of the hate PK has in her heart for Sai. I looked at that action through the action of a man breaking down completely and it could have been anyone in that spot. Again, I also think PL is expert at manipulating through a range of emotions, but constantly switching what she is saying to appease him and remove his suspicions of her, although I don't think they are gone.

In his anger/hurt with Sai recently he has compared Sai to pp, he has allowed pp to walk into their space without reprimanding her and allowed her to talk to Sai in a manner that suggests that Sai has come between them and is only worthy of hate, scorn, sarcasm.

If he put himself in Sai's shoes and truly introspected he'd understood why Sai is so resistant to his advances and shoots him down and keeps singing the raag of deal shaadi. If he truly "understood" Sai (like he wants her to do- read his unsaid words n emotions) then he'd see that she has been behaving like a wife, caring for him more than just out of insaaniyat and has tried to be possessive as a wife would but she has retreated into a shell because of pp n the behavior of his family. No one has accepted her as a bahu. She is constantly berated. And the person she is looking to for security- her husband- also flip flops routinely in his attitude. Sai basically cannot trust virat with her heart after everything he has said/done in the early days as well as now more recently. There was a brief period in between where Sai had her hopes up of a real relationship but since the pool incident and then cafe incident her hopes have been dashed again. And her self respect too has been crushed because now shes simply a bojh, a compromise and a samjhauta for him.

I agree. As much as they have butchered Virat, there is scope for a good introspection and potential redemption arc, but I'm not sure I have confidence in the writing team. This accident track seems to be deviating from KD in a lot of ways, but not in any good creative way so far.

My views in red above 😊 Great analysis btw, I really enjoy reading your posts everyday!

Originally posted by: Nja91

Its past the point ehere its "unknowingly". He needs to BAN pp from his life and from his bedroom. Its definitely not impossible. For example karishma is effectively a stranger to Virat from what we've been shown. Theres no connection/interaction beyond BIL-SIL. So why cant Virat do the same with PP?! And he should be consciously avoiding pp after everything she has said/done. But here he is hell-bent on letting her interfere more n more in his life.

Very true. Despite knowing what Patralekha feels for you, if you still don't draw strong lines, then YOU are responsible for whatever mess that is happening in your life. It is probably not his intention, but with his antics, Virat comes across as a person who wants to sail in two boats and can't let go of any.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

You have explained it thoroughly. I tried to see him from the view point of emotional seeking but I could not get past a single incident.

For now I am happy to think he is stupid and too gullible for Pakhi level manipulations. She is an expert at it. And does very good job.

Yesterdays scene was the best example of pakhis manipulation and how he immediately decided to forget that she was hitting on him a moment ago, wanted a chai date 😆 and requesting her to pray for Sai 🤪

Originally posted by: nutmeg7

A person who is totally broken from inside is often so vulnerable that he hangs on to whatever he thinks will float his boat. Doobte ko tinke ka sahara. Patralekha knows that he is yearning for Sai. She first wanted to check if he has any residual feelings (gathbandhan in fire), when it failed, she started poking him where it would bring out his inner turmoil to turn it into rage. As Sai said, " Samrat Dada Lautne ke baad aap kitni baar aayi hai hamare kamre mei." She seized opportunity to target his weak mind. If you carefully listen to Patralekha's words, she so cleverly manipulates people. She will make you feel wanted but it is actually your downfall. It is pure vile and scary. Again I am not justifying this, what Virat did was abuse Sai when he locked her but will Virat in his right mind do that? He knows it was wrong. His ego and fat head that couldn't handle rejection will not accept that.

We all laughed when he fell down (I made a post just to laugh at him the whole day) but that badly executed fall knocked him out of senses. The guy who was so bull headed about not stopping Sai flipped because he never wanted her to leave in the first place. Even Samrat realised that while confronting him. That was the final nail in the coffin in her long list of rejection (I also agree that Virat did a terrible job of making his feelings known. He could never say it in spasht shabd).

I kind of diverted from the topic. But I am trying to understand what makers are trying to show from Virat's point of view.

Great post. I think you have hit the nail on its head. I think the dialogue yesterday showed how effective PK is at exploiting and manipulating his mind. He started the conversation by saying everything was his fault and after PK spoke to him, moved to this is not his fault like last time with Anjinkya, but he is still in difficulties when Sai is. She was a block to his beginning to introspect at that point. I also think there is a mental block to him descending into introspecting while Sai is still between life and death, because if he starts this now and realises he is the reason for her pain and leaving (as well as PK because of him) that would shatter him beyond belief. He has already talked about suicide 2/3 times because of Sai and the effect she has had on him. I am still hopeful (maybe optimistically so) that he will introspect about his behaviour unlike Rono.

I know the way the door scene was filmed did make it funny, but that and again with the handholding just shows how fragile he is and that he is a moment away from shattering completely. He does only have himself to blame.

Serious post ho gaya ye toh. Nevermind. So is Patralekha going to allege Virat of impregnating her by just holding hands. What technology/science is this?

Originally posted by: nutmeg7

Serious post ho gaya ye toh. Nevermind. So is Patralekha going to allege Virat of impregnating her by just holding hands. What technology/science is this?

Thats the trick no? She will just let the imaginations of all the family members run wild. Everyone knows Virat only superficially. Sai has lived with him in the same room as his wife and slept with him on the same bed without him touching her ever, without her consent. Only she will know his morality and ethics. And stands by him, more as a person who has seen him closely for a year, not just as his wife. Sai's maturity will be at display to the blind Chavanis.

Originally posted by: Nja91

I wish we could just say hes too gullible but hes not. He has figured out PPs motives but he still allows her leeway. Theres no explanation. Its just shoddy writing or virat is meant to be in 2 boats forever

For example virat clearly registered PPs intent in the hospital scene when she says i maybe only friend to you but you are special for me. Yet he chooses to lean on her for comfort rather than asking her to leave. So virat has definitely got a soft corner for pp or he is getting some boost/kick out of her attention.

Also if hes really all that gullible then he really shouldn't be an ACP. Hes definitely in the wrong profession.

@Bold: I think he did ask her to leave him alone a few times, but by the time the handholding comes, I think he has completely and utterly broken down and in his desperation wants PK and everyone to pray for Sai because as he said that is all he has left and can do. I'm not sure he was leaning on her for comfort because it was PK, I think he would have broken down the same with anyone who was standing there, although maybe not because no one else would have instigated him.

His dialogues tell me he has not forgotten or is not unaware of the hate PK has in her heart for Sai and that she has just tried to express her feelings to him again. That is why to me he said "if you really want to do something for me", knowing that PK would not do anything for Sai voluntarily, and also importantly told her to pray with "pure and/or true heart", which signalled to me that he knows she has bad intentions, but such is his desperation for assurance that Sai will be ok. I looked at that action through the action of a man breaking down completely and it could have been anyone in that spot. Again, I also think PL is expert at manipulating through a range of emotions, but constantly switching what she is saying to appease him and remove his suspicions of her, although I don't think they are gone.

He definitely should not be an ACP! He is prepared to just accept an anonymous letter as conclusive evidence!

Originally posted by: Nja91

Its past the point ehere its "unknowingly". He needs to BAN pp from his life and from his bedroom. Its definitely not impossible. For example karishma is effectively a stranger to Virat from what we've been shown. Theres no connection/interaction beyond BIL-SIL. So why cant Virat do the same with PP?! And he should be consciously avoiding pp after everything she has said/done. But here he is hell-bent on letting her interfere more n more in his life.

I have replied to your other post about why I think he does not do this publicly (page 2), but I agree that he should be banning PK from their lives, and at least telling her privately. Although, he knows PK so he probably knows she would make it a public issue as she has done with everything else, so that is why he probably never will. Obviously the dynamic is very different with Karishma, because she is not his "ex" whom lots of questions about their relationship has been raised.