Raghav Rao - Don with a heart. - Page 5

Originally posted by: Anu1975

I agree with most of your views..but just because his unethical ways didn’t endanger anyone in the past cannot absolve him of engaging in the crime itself right…does Abishek deserve death? NO..is he responsible…YES because he consented to do a job which led to his death..same way Does Raghav deserve the blame NO but he is responsible cause he employed Abishek in a job which led to his death…Raghav may not be legally accountable but morally & ethically he is…

Where did I say he's not responsible. I am totally conflicted about where on the scale of responsibility I put raghav. This is not something that's a black and white matter. It's highly subjective. It depends on a lot of factors.

Having said that, the biggest responsibility lies on the one who actually pulled the trigger causing the death. Raghav's business otherwise may not have caused the death so there's again a very thin line where he can be absolved. Need to see how makers justify because it is highly subjective matter.

Wonderful thread .

Abhishek’s death is the result of his recklessness, ACP's overzealousness, and nature of Raghav’s business.

• Abhishek , is an adult who got involved in Raghav’s business voluntarily and acted irresponsibly.
• ACP should not have fired the gunshot since she even lacked a valid arrest warrant. She didn't care about Abhishek or his life , in order to capture Raghav and prove her worth, she took extreme step of encounter to stop unarmed suspect like Abhishek. Abhishek was only a source of proof against Raghav for her. She didn’t even think twice before firing in crowded market place, such irresponsible behaviour by an ACP officer. Cops like her must be suspended indefinitely.

• Raghav is well aware of how young and impressionable and inexperienced the youngsters he hires for his job are, he is well aware that his work is illegal and risky, yet he is casual about it, (perhaps because they haven't dealt with a critical situation like Abhishek’s death) Raghav values life over diamonds,yes! but as you said, it isn't enough. Raghav is indifferent to the potential risks involved to him , his employees and/or family. He only wants to lay low for the time being and is unwilling to alter his methods even after Abhishek’s case which I believe is incorrect. Invading paying tax is one thing; employing young folks who are unaware of the severity of the situation for illegal work is quite different and this latter part is what I hope he changes.

About Pallavi holding him responsible for death of Abhishek and calling him out , let’s see how situation is presented to her, we as audience have privilege to see what all happens in show and know characters’s especially Raghav’s standpoint but Pallavi is being kept in dark by Raghav, her only source of information at the moment is Sunny and now it remains to be seen how Raghav reacts to her when she confronts him.

Cvs have made her belief in Raghav stronger than it’s actually required , so that her reaction to his dishonest statements to her can be shown quite extreme 😆. She had called him out for lying in start of track and I can see her getting hurt by his habit of lying to her.

Money makes Raghav feel worthy and powerful, money gives power no doubt but I hope at end of this track he realises he’s worthy of Pallavi’s love ,Because of their rushed love declaration, I believe a lot of his insecurities haven't been addressed; he must know that his Amma and wife don't love him just because he gives them with a lavish lifestyle. And Pallavi realises that indeed, the world is harsh, and she would need to toughen up at times, despite the fact that she should have learned this through her interactions with Raghav itself , their marriage probably sidetracked her mind from it 😆.

I'd like to see a guilt-free Raghav who isn't overwhelmed by his relationships and believes he is deserving of the affection he is receiving, along with Pallavi who has finally realised what she wants to achieve with her life at end of this track. Pallavi becoming financially self-sufficient excites me. Since Raghav mentioned her career twice after marriage, I've been looking for a track like this , hopefully couple will find a middle ground to establish their own respective careers at the end of track supporting each other.

Wohoooo! Went through most of the comments and I guess finally the time has come for me to start watching the show again🥳

Can you tell from which epi they started with his business related issue so that I can watch it from there

@hapc, you might wanna give this thread a read

Originally posted by: joliefemme

Raghav is at fault but he can still be absolved because this business normally would never lead to death - arrest may be not death.

Ok let me try and justify how Raghav and Krishna are different.

Krishna Rao played with the emotions of a 17 yr old whi didn't know what he was getting into. Here everyone involved is an adult and knows what they are doing.

Krishna looted the hard earned money of middle class people using Raghav's naivety but Raghav is cheating the system which is what is usually done by businessmen. He's not cheating the public of their hard earned money

Krishna doesn't have a moral compass and hence let Raghav take the fall for his crimes. Raghav won't do that. He will do whatever he can to make things better.

@b - That's exactly what I mean in my post. Raghav is at fault & he'll realise it after today for sure. He had already realized it when he's talking to Farhad. But the responsibility of Abhishek dying is not to be on his hands - It's only the ACP & Abhishek. The points you stated here is exactly what I'm trying to bring up cos I'm mightily surprised at how Krishna Rao & Raghav are even being considered to be equated.

They're not same at all.

A life was lost. Sad, Tragic yes. And I know Pallavi & Amma are going to blame him.

And here's my issue - He's not to blame for the life lost. Yes, this should act as an impetus for him to change his ways but it should be from his own end and not because his family is guilting him stating that he's responsible for the Encounter cos of the simple fact Tax-Evasions(cheating system of money) do not include encounters but only Jail Time. If this was the case Harshad Mehta would have also been shot by the Police Forces but No, he was jailed & interrogated & had to fight a lot of cases on the judicial platform.

Let's see how the CVs take this forward.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

I'm on board with most of the points you've made here. The business is illegal but it's no risk to life. Even in that Raghav was clear to chose life over the diamonds. It has never happened in the past.

Raghav is the owner of tbe business. Risky or not, he intended to cause harm or not, nothing changes the facts.

Can we equate this to an accident which takes a life? It is involuntary manslaughter. May not be entirely but I'm still not convinced about the level of burden that Raghav should carry. It is highly subjective topic and that is what worries me most. While we and raghav may feel he's not at fault, amma and Pallavi will blame him. There's a reason Pallavi had to witness the death and the victim was known to her. It makes things more difficult for Raghvi.

Originally posted by: Viewpoint

I understand why initially Aai did not say anything, she thought he was dead. But then she should have spoken. Pallavi let this slide so easily but I have no qualms against Aai because Mandar got jailed for his crimes. If anything, it's against Pallavi's inability to see anything against the D's. See in all the tracks, it always comes back to her inability to see anything wrong about the D's but she is quick to judge others, including Raghav. This will be very interesting to watch because I believe Raghav's ways are wrong and Pallavi will be right in rebuking him for it. But I also want to see how she sees herself in the mirror when it comes to the D's and the crimes they've been hiding.

Aai's not speaking up while Pallavi was living the life of a dedicated widow & taking care of them as Mandar would have is not excusable at all, atleast to me. Mandaar might have gotten jailed but she tied Pallavi down by not informing her. But this isn't the first time Aai has let me down so we'll have to let it go cos of the way the characters're written.

And Pallavi realizing that she has double standards for Deshmukhs & everyone else, Let's say - Bhool Jao😆...The writers themselves don't know whether they want to keep her like a typical ITV FL or not so she stands on this double-edged sword where her actions become questionable enough for the character to get bashed.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

Let me try to bring a different perspective here. Again, this thought has been playing on my mind and I'm totally conflicted about this situation and who is the party to be blamed. My comment under comes from lots of discussion and debates with my friends and also the members of this forum.

1. Raghav

Raghav is the guy who is responsible to recruit/ induct a young chap to carry on the shady business. From his conversation with Farhad we know that they have never had this situation of death happen in the past. They have always been careful.

When Raghav realised that it was risky to take the consignment, he clearly told Farhad to ask the boys to lay low for sometime. Farhad tried to call this guy but he wasn't reachable because his cell battery died. He also sent Farhad to check up on him. When Raghav realised what happened, he asked Farhad to get the best treatment at the hospital and enough financial stability for his family so that they are self sufficient. He was clear that he will not be able to get the life back but doing what he can to compensate.

If you recollect the conversation in the den, Raghav was clear that Abhishek needs to leave the diamonds and care for his life. The diamonds aren't that important.

Now coming to this business, customs evasion is something that is done by all businessmen. It is not something that is unheard of. It is usually safe and not this risky. I don't think anyone realised that the repercussion would be this severe.

2. Abhishek

This guy is an adult who got into this shady work for money. It was clear that he wanted a better lifestyle and money and found an easy way to make it. He knew the risks involved and still went ahead with this job.

Despite Raghav's warning he ran from the police instead of surrendering. Hence, to put the blame entirely on Raghav isn't correct. Despite being warned if I do something which gets me killed, I'm equally to be blamed.

3. The ACP

I'm coming last to her is because she is the most guilty party. She got a tip off of a smuggling happening and she chased Abhishek. She didn't know for sure he had the diamonds. She did not have a shoot at sight order to do an encounter. She didn't use the gun on his leg to stop him from running but consciously shot him on his back.

Aabhishek didn't hold a hostage or didn't fire back at the police that justified the ACP shooting him in return. There are protocols to be followed. The death is clearly on her head more than the first 2 because she can't on her own declare anyone a criminal and execute justice. There is a court of law and the punishment needs to commensurate with the crime involved. He didn't deserve to die. This death is on the ACP who didn't even have remorse for taking the life of a young boy.

I am not saying that Raghav is not guilty here. He is, but so are the other 2. The ACP is at the biggest fault.

It is not right to pin this entirely on Raghav. The makers will leave room for him to redeem himself, otherwise knowing Pallavi, she won't be able to forgive him. He needs to mend his ways because it is risky when a life is gone. This is a very interesting track and I'm super excited.

Nice points Ren and ofcourse I agree but only in context of what happened with Abhishek.. For this unplanned encounter, ACP gets the major share of the blame. But what if he wasn't shot and hadn't died but was arrested with the diamonds? Then the ACP would've been off the list of people to be blamed for Abhishek's arrest.. Then who could we blame? it was unfortunate that his phone died at the nick of time and Farhad wasn't able to warn him.. But the fact remains that these boys who work for Raghav are at a constant risk of getting arrested by police and so as their employer he will have to take part of the blame even if we say that they are adults and choose to do what they do..

Originally posted by: SONIA441

Aai's not speaking up while Pallavi was living the life of a dedicated widow & taking care of them as Mandar would have is not excusable at all, atleast to me. Mandaar might have gotten jailed but she tied Pallavi down by not informing her. But this isn't the first time Aai has let me down so we'll have to let it go cos of the way the characters're written.

And Pallavi realizing that she has double standards for Deshmukhs & everyone else, Let's say - Bhool Jao😆...The writers themselves don't know whether they want to keep her like a typical ITV FL or not so she stands on this double-edged sword where her actions become questionable enough for the character to get bashed.

Makers wanted to keep Deshmukhs and their relationship with Pallavi as central topic but failed to write one good character in Deshmukh family.They need to let of Deshmukhs now, and bring in well written past story and family for Pallavi . Can’t always make Pallavi (and sometimes Raghav too ) dumb for involving Deshmukhs and their drama.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

Let me try to bring a different perspective here. Again, this thought has been playing on my mind and I'm totally conflicted about this situation and who is the party to be blamed. My comment under comes from lots of discussion and debates with my friends and also the members of this forum.

1. Raghav

Raghav is the guy who is responsible to recruit/ induct a young chap to carry on the shady business. From his conversation with Farhad we know that they have never had this situation of death happen in the past. They have always been careful.

When Raghav realised that it was risky to take the consignment, he clearly told Farhad to ask the boys to lay low for sometime. Farhad tried to call this guy but he wasn't reachable because his cell battery died. He also sent Farhad to check up on him. When Raghav realised what happened, he asked Farhad to get the best treatment at the hospital and enough financial stability for his family so that they are self sufficient. He was clear that he will not be able to get the life back but doing what he can to compensate.

If you recollect the conversation in the den, Raghav was clear that Abhishek needs to leave the diamonds and care for his life. The diamonds aren't that important.

Now coming to this business, customs evasion is something that is done by all businessmen. It is not something that is unheard of. It is usually safe and not this risky. I don't think anyone realised that the repercussion would be this severe.

2. Abhishek

This guy is an adult who got into this shady work for money. It was clear that he wanted a better lifestyle and money and found an easy way to make it. He knew the risks involved and still went ahead with this job.

Despite Raghav's warning he ran from the police instead of surrendering. Hence, to put the blame entirely on Raghav isn't correct. Despite being warned if I do something which gets me killed, I'm equally to be blamed.

3. The ACP

I'm coming last to her is because she is the most guilty party. She got a tip off of a smuggling happening and she chased Abhishek. She didn't know for sure he had the diamonds. She did not have a shoot at sight order to do an encounter. She didn't use the gun on his leg to stop him from running but consciously shot him on his back.

Aabhishek didn't hold a hostage or didn't fire back at the police that justified the ACP shooting him in return. There are protocols to be followed. The death is clearly on her head more than the first 2 because she can't on her own declare anyone a criminal and execute justice. There is a court of law and the punishment needs to commensurate with the crime involved. He didn't deserve to die. This death is on the ACP who didn't even have remorse for taking the life of a young boy.

I am not saying that Raghav is not guilty here. He is, but so are the other 2. The ACP is at the biggest fault.

It is not right to pin this entirely on Raghav. The makers will leave room for him to redeem himself, otherwise knowing Pallavi, she won't be able to forgive him. He needs to mend his ways because it is risky when a life is gone. This is a very interesting track and I'm super excited.

I agree wid you on some level.

Even I had this thought that why would an ACP shoot at a young boy ? He wasnt a muderer or high grade criminal or terrorist . You dont just shoot people like dt. Ders a procedure to these things and ders a reason behind it as well. Our law belives in reforming criminals ( while I dont believe in it completely but I do understand the motive behind it) and these apply mostly to these type of crimes. Its equal to a simple theft . You dont shoot people for dt. You try to catch them alive , especially when a young life is at stake.

Dont get me wrong. I totally believe Raghav is responsible for the death too. Inspite of everything he says or does posthumously ,it doesnt exonerate him of the fact that he was somewhere responsible for the loss of a young life.

So I agree both the ACP and Raghav are responsible for the death ,not just Raghav alone.

Originally posted by: Viewpoint

Hello everyone,

So I've just been seeing some remarks on insta about how Raghav's heart is in the right place because he was concerned about Abhishek more than his diamonds. While I do agree that he was concerned, I need to share my two cents here because I think that there is a general misconception and need to glorify a gangster.

I love RR's character because it's a layered character and I enjoy watching him on screen. It's the same way I also enjoy watching The Godfather. But, let's not get carried away by what we watch on screen.

Raghav's care is genuine. But is it enough?

Raghav cares about his employees. Is it enough?

Raghav cares more about Abhishek and not his diamonds. The fact that we're even comparing a human life to that of precious gems is already saying that this is a bit thorny.

Caring is not enough, if it is not backed by actions that align with that care.

The fact remains that Raghav's business is dangerous, and he consciously employs young, needy boys to do this dirty job. He hides behind several layers. His care cannot absolve him of the risk he is directly putting onto young boys. End of the day, Raghav remains a criminal and Abhishek's death is on him. I know fans of RR love him, I love him too, but you just can't ignore the fact that he is a Don. For audience, especially the younger ones, they can't draw a line between the character and actor so if they love Sai, they love RR with their eyes closed and just can't accept the fact that he is wrong. The character is guilty.

Like I said, it doesn't matter if he mends his criminal ways, that is not the point. To love a character does not mean that he/she must be righteous. No, that is not the point.

The point here is to draw the line between RR and the actor playing RR. I also adore SAI but he's not RR, so it baffles me that so many people on insta are hating the inspector because she's honest. Isn't that what we want in our lives? An honest officer? I can't also wrap my head around the fact that so many people are unhappy because they think that Pallavi will blame Raghav for Abhisheks death. Who else will she blame? Abhishek died because he did this dirty job for Raghav. Raghav knew that Abhishek is still very new in this trade. He also saw that Abhishek got carried away by the money and was ready to "die". Raghav told him to not talk about death and he should save himself. It's not enough just to say it. He also saw that Abhishek was sweating when he saw the ACP. He could have halted the delivery, knowing that they're under the scanner. He did nothing of this sort, so yes, this death is on Raghav and Pallavi will not be wrong to blame him and his ways.

End of my little rant.

Quoting the post coz I didnt want to remember all points 🙈. Lazy ass me .

About the first part of your post. I agree and understand what you are trying to say. Been conflicted abt the same. Just bcz we love Raghav as a character doesnt absolve him of his wrong doings . He is wrong here. No matter what I or anyone says , or what Raghav says or what he does for his employees , It doesnt change the fact that he is consciously putting lives in danger and dt too young lives. Sometimes I wonder a young kid who had been trapped in something so similar , how does he not hesitate from using youngsters for his work.

There has been a death and no matter what Raghav does after dt , it wont completely clear his conscience ever. A death is something dt leaves a stain on your heart and mind dt cant be removed however hard you try. And here Raghav is partly responsible for it. I had the same thoughts like you do. If he cared for these lives , why didnt he lay low for sometime till things were under his control. Why risk someone else's life.

Now coming to ACP and the hatred. Yes the hatred does get misplaced. Youth love reel characters so much dt they miss the line between wrong and right. One should know where the line should be drawn. You are absolutely correct abt dt.

But hving said dt , my own opinion of the ACP is not so high. You do not just shoot at unarmed , young people on the basis of suspicion. No you dont and you cant . Its against the law nd their own moral codes. There are rules in place for some reason. Abhishek was a young man trying to make some money. He wasnt even a proven criminal nor did he run off after murdering someone or robbing a bank. Hell in our country , even murderers dont get death sentence . Dts bcz our law believes in reforming and it applies so much to people like Abhishek. An ACP should be more responsible. Just shooting at people is not police work , knowing when not to shoot is equally important . If you watch crime series you will see even high grade criminals are told to surrender and worst case scenario you shoot to disable them. Dts how it works. The ACP failed at her job.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Nice points Ren and ofcourse I agree but only in context of what happened with Abhishek.. For this unplanned encounter, ACP gets the major share of the blame. But what if he wasn't shot and hadn't died but was arrested with the diamonds? Then the ACP would've been off the list of people to be blamed for Abhishek's arrest.. Then who could we blame? it was unfortunate that his phone died at the nick of time and Farhad wasn't able to warn him.. But the fact remains that these boys who work for Raghav are at a constant risk of getting arrested by police and so as their employer he will have to take part of the blame even if we say that they are adults and choose to do what they do..

Vaishali I totally agree with your points but in the current circumstances, there should have been no risk to life. It should have been a clear case of him being arrested and tried for the crime. Raghav would have been able to cheat the system to get him out. It's not that hard to drag police cases for years and considering the resources Raghav has, it is not difficult.

But now a life is gone, ACP is to be majorly blamed coz this shouldn't have been the outcome under any circumstance but I can't absolve Raghav completely.