I am happy to over-analyze; thanks for these opportunities.😉
ManishaShah wrote:
Jaise ki first MU of raghav and pallavi regarding anjali. Makers ne na hi starting me use clear kiya na hi post marriage I mean ke pallavi ko raghav se anjali ko lekar baat karni chahiye thi like who was she? Her relation with him aur dono ki pics ke bare mein ke sach kya tha. But kuch bhi nahi dikhaya. Mujhe ye is liye necessary laga bcs it,s about his character also. Ke ladkiyo se uske relation kaise hain. On pool side jab wo ek dusre ki achi baatein discuss kar rahe the then raghav said he is best in kissing. I dont know par mujhe thoda ajeeb laga par pallavi ko koi farak hi nahi pada.
Pallavi may not want to know Raghav's sexual history because the topic of premarital sex is distasteful to her. Pallavi has a very demure personality. Her advice to Amruta after the unwanted pregnancy was that premarital relationships should have limits. So, given that Pallavi feels sexual attraction to Raghav and doesn't approve of what he may have done with other women, she chooses to guide him to play with her hair etc. and build their intimacy, and she chooses not to ask prurient questions that would confirm her worst impressions of him.
When Pallavi met Raghav, she probably noticed the woman standing up through his car roof, holding a drink. So, why would Pallavi doubt what the media reported about Raghav with photographs? (I'm not saying that Pallavi knows that Anjali from the CCTV photos was the woman in the car and the woman in the obscene photos, just that Pallavi knows that Raghav gets drunk with women.) Just as Raghav defamed Pallavi by telling her family that she was with him in the photos, he could have taken those photos to defame another woman because he is a misogynist. (He said to Pallavi that women shouldn't drive, shouldn't run businesses, are treacherous etc.) Pallavi knows firsthand that Raghav is a criminal and capable of outrageous cruelty; if she can see the good in him in spite of that, why would she question his sexual immorality?
This same Raghav gave her his jacket to cover her torn sleeve, let her know that her blouse was unbuttoned, and took off his own clothes for her attention, but never pressured her for sexual favours. He also promised to be a good friend, if not a good husband, and to respect her rights as his wife. (Meaning, he won't chase other women.) So, Pallavi may think that Raghav can outgrow his bad sexual character and be a trustworthy lover to her.
Raghav repeatedly bragged about his experience to arouse Pallavi's interest: "I've seen hotter girls than you wearing less;" "I am best at kissing, I can show you;" and Pallavi rebuffed him. Only once, she reacted with playful jealousy as he said, "I have years of experience massaging; no, you're the first girl I massaged, but girls themselves ... occasionally, just once; I only got a massage from Thuy or Mui." After failing to get a consistent answer from Raghav that time, Pallavi may not want to ask him again. She can tell him to get tested for STDs, but questions that make him feel uncomfortable or impure will only spoil their intimacy.
In my humble opinion, words like "virgin" and "consummate" are too limited for the wide range of non-babymaking things that people can do to feel good together. If a couple shares a bed and has reached the stage of chasing around the house, it's implausible that they're not already gradually exploring and stimulating each other's bodies in private. When Raghav said, "observe our first night of honeymoon at home," I thought he should know better than to expect the first night to be more special than the next. Don't expect too much at once. Maybe he really has no experience, or only knows how to be satisfied, not how to satisfy a woman?
ManishaShah wrote:
MU,s to bahut hain jaise blood donation
That secret has to be revealed when it will have the most devastating impact on Raghav. Maybe when he has done something horrible to Pallavi, even unintentionally. If the writers didn't use it to make him repent for defamation and forcible marriage, maybe they have a better idea?
Can anyone recommend a fan fiction about the blood donor secret?
ManishaShah wrote:
phir pallavi ki kidnapping par koi clearnahi ki.
How would you write a scene in which Pallavi realizes that Raghav doesn't deny his crimes, so he didn't kidnap her that one time? After the scene in which Pallavi told Vijay that Raghav didn't plant the necklace in his bag because Raghav's not bragging about it, it's implicit that she already had that realization. So, too late for a dramatic revelation.
There was a scene of Nikhil telling Harish that he had paid off his gambling debt. So, the kidnappers have no reason to target Nikhil's family again, and maybe they'll never be caught. Raghav has consistently denied kidnapping Pallavi that time, but he kidnapped her before (putting her in front of a truck) and after (to get married at the temple), and he won't be punished for any of the three crimes because he's above the law.
ManishaShah wrote:
Is ke baad unki shadi ke time pallavi itni sad thi wo kisi bhi rasm me part nahi le rahi thi phir bhi raghav ne apni maa aur kirti ko bulaya usne nahi socha ke wo pallavi ki condition dekh ke samjh jayenge ke unki forced marriage hai aur sath mein TV par nikhil ki jail se chutne ki video bhi chal rahi thi jise pallavi dekh rahi thi agar koi aur dekhta to. Mujhe to samjh nahi aya.
Yeh to sab ne forum me bhi kaha hai ki jaya ne dhyan hi nahi diya ke pallavi shadi ke liye kaise maan gayi.usne ignore hi kar diya.
The whole forced marriage was a house-of-cards. If any of the characters had behaved rationally (or just listened to Kirti), the plot would have fallen apart. Jaya merely said, "Marry Pallavi," not insisting on her earlier demand that Raghav should prostrate himself before Pallavi to beg for forgiveness. Jaya didn't even tell Raghav that if he agreed to marry Pallavi, she would take the proposal to Sharada. And Raghav, after Farhad and the imaginary Jaya both told him to think carefully, ran out to kidnap Pallavi and marry her at the temple in a hurry. Raghav didn't remember Pallavi's history of embarrassing him in front of his business contacts (the customs officer at the VIP darśana, Mr. Mehra at Śivarātri pūjā, Puja who liked the All India saree), until Pallavi made her speech at the welcome party.
Have you voted in the poll? I'm a Newbie and can't post links, but it's /forum/topic/5242444
ManishaShah wrote:
Then post marriage kuch weird scenes jaise hair combing. Jis ne pallavi ke sath itna bura kiya character assasination forced marriage separate from family uske sath wo comfortably smile kar rahi thi.
I am not justifying aggressor-victim romance or sloppy writing, but maybe this is Pallavi's character. She forgave Amruta and Sulochana and defended both of them right after the abortion truth was revealed. Why not Raghav too? Pallavi has seen Raghav's good qualities, and she prefers to encourage them.
I have a fan fiction in which Pallavi and Raghav discuss punishment and how they fell in love: /forum/topic/5241612
ManishaShah wrote:
Then after raghav,s drunk act when he woke up wo pallavi se puchta hai unke bich mein kuch huya tha ii mean usko pata tha ke pallavi ne only 30 days ke liye use chance diya tha wo uske sath room bhi share nahi karti thi phir bhi aisa swal Aur agar usko laga ke usne khud ko us par force to nahi kiya to kya pallavi us se itne aaram se baat karti. I dont get it.
Ghamaṇḍī Rāva is not humble. Of course he thinks he can perform while drunk, and he's such a charming drunk that Pallavi wouldn't resist. His concern was that he didn't mean to seduce her - or even have her touching his naked body - before she was ready.
ManishaShah wrote:
Phir jab raghav ne uski family ko sach bataya toyenahi kaha ke unki marriage pallavi ki marzi se nahi hui aur VD ki MU clear nahi ki.
Yes, Raghav should have admitted that, apologized, and asked them to rescue Pallavi from him. With Sulochana pretending to have been beaten by Raghav that day, Vijay might have been convinced that Raghav was a danger to Pallavi too. However, I suspect that Sharada already told Vijay what she knew: their son Nikhil went to jail so that Raghav could force Pallavi. Unfortunately, Vijay had seen and heard too much about Pallavi's alleged affair with Raghav; he just didn't believe that he had punished an innocent person.
ManishaShah wrote:
Phir jab dono ne room share karne ki baat ki to raghav jaya se baat karne ko kehta hai par pallavi use rok deti hai par jab pallavi bed share karne ko lekar uncomfortable feel karti hai to raghav ko nahi laga ke use jaya se baat karni chahiye ke pallavi uncomfortable hai.
Raghav is moody, mercurial, sometimes duplicitous. He's chivalrous until he's sleepy, maybe?
ManishaShah wrote:
Phir mandar ke accident wale track mein agar pallavi ko dikhana tha ke use raghav par trust hai to yeh dikhana ki koi jarurat nahi thi ke usne raghav ko us watchman ke paas jate dekha ye to use samjh aa gaya hoga ke wo uske paas paise dene aur raghav par blame dalne ke liye kehne gaya hoga jab usne raghav ka naam liya aur jabusne raghav se pucha to usne clear bhi nahi kiya. To trust ki baat kahan thi.
I'm not sure what you mean. Pallavi doesn't trust Raghav to tell the truth or accept justice. She just has the impression that Raghav wouldn't leave a man to die.
ManishaShah wrote:
Aage bahut kuch huya jab dono jail se wapis aaye to raghav ko tension hi nahi thi ke ab kirti ka kya hoga bcs pallavi ne to use sunny par doubt ke bare mein bataya hi nahi tha na milind ne pucha raghav ne surrender kyu kiya.
Raghav may have only admitted the truth to Pallavi. He could have gotten out on bail without retracting his admission of guilt for the hit-and-run. So, he thought Kirti was still protected. If it makes you feel better, you can imagine that Milind asked Raghav, and Raghav refused to answer. Anyway, the writers were too busy planning a romantic scene with a black dress, as if Raghav and Pallavi hadn't just been on opposite sides of the law.
ManishaShah wrote:
Phir pallavi ka love realization krishna se karwane ki kya jarurat thi she was aware of it. Agar nahi thi to bina realization ke hi black dress wale epi mein raghav ko kiss karne de rahi thi aur baad mein smile bhi kar rahi thi hospital me bhi kiss ke flashbacks aa rahe the use.so confusing.
I thought Pallavi's realization of love was ridiculously out of character. In my fan fiction, I had her say that it never happened that way.
ManishaShah wrote:
Aur raghav nail incident ki night kya karna chahata tha mujhe samjh nahi aya wo itnna frustrate ho raha tha drawer na khulne par jaise uska koi imp task incomplete reh gaya ho ya to yehi Sikhs detent ke use love confession karna tha tab to theek lagta
Raghav wants what he wants right now! The nail is a metaphor ... I better stop here.
ManishaShah wrote:
Phir jab mandar aur raghav ki fight hui pallavi ne raghav se pucha hi nahi ke kya huya tha aur agar wo bhi mandar ke bare mein janne aya tha to uske sath fight kyun kar raha tha pallavi ko ajeeb nahi laga ke 2 saal baad mandar mila aur raghav usse fight kar raha tha.
Raghav didn't see whom he was fighting because Mandar threw sand in his eyes. Mandar explained that Raghav chased his ambulance and tried to ambush him with a gun, so he had to hit Raghav in self-defense. Raghav didn't deny it. By the way, does Pallavi still think that Raghav beat up that child, just before she slapped Raghav for beating the older man?
ManishaShah wrote:
Phir pallavi ka mandar ko kuch na bolna jab wo pehle hi din us par haq dikhata hai bus raghav hi sab karta hai.
Yes, very out-of-character writing for Pallavi.
ManishaShah wrote:
Phir jab pallavi mandar ko khana khilane aati hai to raghav ke aane par chali jati hai to usko jana hi kyun tha. Aur ghar akar dono kehta hain ab mu,s hogi insecurities hongi I mean jab pata hai yeh sab hoga to mat jayo ya phir dono understanding dikhayo dono baatein to nahi ho sakti
Yes, the writers have a checklist: move Pallavi to Deshmukh Niwas; Sulochana smirks; Raghav upset; bring Pallavi back to RR mansion; Pallavi upset; Kirti smirks.
ManishaShah wrote:
Uske baad ka haal to sab ko pata hi hai kisi ko samjh nahi aya kuch bhi pata nahi raghav ko pallavi par doubt hua ya wo insecure hua use dono ke flashbacks bhi aa rahe the kuch nahi samjh aya.
Don't feel alone; the writers don't understand the plot any more than you do.
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