What a creativity - Page 12

Originally posted by: Nja91

I really hope that people dont start comparing Virat's reaction about Sai-ajinkya to Sai's reaction about virat- pp because they are poles apart. Also the physical assault is too much. He is a police officer. They need to stop showing him lose his bearings and manhandling people. He is the same guy that had a problem with unnecessary use of force against a criminal like jagtap n vitthal until they were convicted and also was like - our job is to only uphold the law , not to announce verdict or take the law in our own hands. I know these situations are not same because its more personal/emotional. But still the way, this Virat is not the original Virat they showed us. Its like he gets "dauras" of madness. the way they write Virat is utter rubbish sometimes. They really need to stop n think about what they are showing.

now that they showed manhandling already, I hope they show him apologizing to AJ. They should use that extra creativity here also 🙄

Originally posted by: laksh

That’s who Virat is actually. A silent guy who is sensitive but who cannot control his emotions. Is quite expressive, can see that with, can’t control his emotions wherever he is when it comes to Sai. Makes more sense than what they showed in Rono because emotions can burst out anywhere a person is, not just in their room. The difference that many find in Virat saying he is not Rono is the reason for this kind of behaviour from Virat. The more he is attached to Sai, the more his expectations from her and the more are his reactions arising out of hurt/disappointment/jealousy. He has been in his character always.

yeah I don’t have problem with virats emotions. My complaint is about showing him expressing too much but not confessing. He flirts and he shows his love openly but no confession or talk about real marriage puts me down. Few days back he said he likes her and thoda thoda pasand but in the same flow can’t he say the marriage is real!! So that’s not convincing. That’s where they play football 😳

Originally posted by: Nja91

I really hope that people dont start comparing Virat's reaction about Sai-ajinkya to Sai's reaction about virat- pp because they are poles apart. Also the physical assault is too much. He is a police officer. They need to stop showing him lose his bearings and manhandling people. He is the same guy that had a problem with unnecessary use of force against a criminal like jagtap n vitthal until they were convicted and also was like - our job is to only uphold the law , not to announce verdict or take the law in our own hands. I know these situations are not same because its more personal/emotional. But still the way, this Virat is not the original Virat they showed us. Its like he gets "dauras" of madness. the way they write Virat is utter rubbish sometimes. They really need to stop n think about what they are showing.

@bold at that time Kamal did that because it was his daughter and now Virat is not in the same state as in GC because Sai is his wife. Emotions can drive people to do it or behave out of character. So it is not the fault in the writing, it shows the contrast in Virat who wasn’t attached to a girl to Virat who is now in love.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

yeah I don’t have problem with virats emotions. My complaint is about showing him expressing too much but not confessing. He flirts and he shows his love openly but no confession or talk about real marriage puts me down. Few days back he said he likes her and thoda thoda pasand but in the same flow can’t he say the marriage is real!! So that’s not convincing. That’s where they play football 😳

It still isn’t and is in line with the character actually. He gets worked up when it comes to Sai and didn’t want to scare her or freak her out. One has to take the risk but Virat being Virat, a guy who avoids confrontation, who is a peacemaker, didn’t want to take a chance and that is why couldn’t say that the marriage was real.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

@laksh I was just thinking about what you had written in @bold. I'm trying hard to delve into his thinking. In the initial days of his marriage, he did criticize Sai for feeling bad when he talks to Pakhi - and Sai denied it saying that nothing is more important than her father's dream. A couple of days later, he himself asked if Sai doesn't like it when he speaks to Pakhi - to which Sai replies "mujhe farak nahi padta" and he seems to believe it(& be a little disappointed with it). Since then, he seems to have made up his mind that Sai and Pakhi are at loggerheads due to personality clash - and that's why he makes the dumbass Ladakh plan. When Sai called him out on using his pati haq on her whilst being in love with Pakhi - I think somewhere he knows the validity of Sai's expectations and sees the justification in her anger - which is why the aftermath of the family reveal doesn't turn into a huge fight. He is hurt that she revealed this to the family, but is not angry or arrogant about it. Even in the episode where he accepts that he is not committed to anyone anymore - he wants to know if him talking to Pakhi affects her because till now he doesn't belive he is important enough to Sai for it to actually bother her. So can we say that he is not being a hypocrite consciously? Sometimes we ourselves behave like a hypocrite without realising - but when somebody calls us out, we reflect and change our behaviour - that is the mark of an honest person. I could be missing a lot of pieces here - so do correct me if I'm wrong. I don't remember all the details but did he try to maintain distance with Pakhi after that atleast?

I'm also appalled at his inability to put two and two together - when he was surprised at Sai's mudda of Pakhi being a roadblock between them. Being unable to gauge her feelings is different, but didn't she raise the same mudda during the vaada reveal to the family? Why is he acting surprised? I'm clueless as to what went on in his dumb head after the vaada reveal.

As for Virakhi, whatever be his reasons, it doesn't absolve him of his behaviour with Pakhi. My mind zones out whenever any thing is about them - because they act without any common sense or even basic decorum. I really get uncomfortable with the familiarity with which they behave with each other, the liberties they take with each other. It is disconcerting to see Virat going into Pakhi's room without knocking - either to speak to her or during a fight, allowing Pakhi to keep her hand on his shoulder, holding her hand etc - it borders on being inappropriate, even if we take Sai out of the picture. Contrast that with his behaviour towards Sai when she refuses to not take part in fresher's program - he behaves in an abnoxious way during the alta episode - there is absolutely no introspection on why he is going overboard at Sai's innocent actions which is something every college girl will do - even as I understand that he was confused and unable to comprehend his budding feelings. He only gets mollified when he learns that Sai has applied alta. Ssince then he is making visible efforts to not be controlling and let his go of his jealousy - although he succeeds only partially.

P.S: As usual my post may not any conclusion and is a just an endless pondering😆

I see what you mean, that’s a really good point.

If you look at it, he had asked Sai in the past why should it bother her like how you have mentioned. His expectation was that it shouldn’t bother her since it is a deal marriage. That’s the issue because nothing has changed even now. They both would have got close, are able to see that they are behaving like husband and wife, but whatever issue Sai had initially was because of the way he and Pakhi were behaving. Sai had said that she doesn’t have issues with it or it doesn’t affect her only when he asked why should she be bothered. Why even such a question? Because he considered it to be a deal marriage? Then shouldn’t he be thinking now that Sai keeps saying that she will leave the house, calls it a deal marriage even now, probably nothing changed for her and Sai can talk or even love anyone? Do you see what I mean? Just because he is in love with her, he would grow this angry or get upset or act possessive every time Sai moves with her friend? With what rights did he grow that mad at Sai or Ajinkya? Sai can also ask him that if it is a deal marriage, why should he be bothered even if she has feelings for Ajinkya right? She doesn’t think that way, she is married and she wouldn’t think of anyone else but she can technically as per his own terms. He asked Sai why should it bother her and she she said that she isn’t bothered. The same way Sai had actually asked him if he wouldn’t be affected if she talks to any guy and he said that he wouldn’t be.

Even when he knows he loves her, he told her that he wouldn’t be bothered if she talks to guys.

It is a different thing that Sai couldn’t believe because of their history, his past reaction during the Amay and Aniket time. She is just being friends with Ajinkya and even thought that Virat wouldn’t like it before letting him in her room. She didn’t want to make it obvious that people in the house or especially Virat would have issues with it, she wanted to make Ajinkya comfortable and let him in at the end.

But has he ever thought how long would it take for Sai to ask him why should it bother him if she is friends with Ajinkya or even if Ajinkya is her boyfriend because it is a deal marriage?

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that Virat didn’t think even once that he and Pakhi were always friends and he had even said that Sai shouldn’t have issues with it, then he too shouldn’t make issues now since Sai is still looking at it as a deal marriage, where she would walk out one day. Whether or not he has feelings for her, whether or not he had once asked Sai that she shouldn’t have issues, he shouldn’t actually be having issues with Sai making friends or moving with her friends, that’s a different thing altogether.

The double standard behaviour or the hypocrisy I feel is in his behavior and thoughts. Whether or not he is consciously being hypocritic, he didn’t give it a thought if Sai would be okay or not when he moves that close with Pakhi. He and Sai started to get close many a times, be it going to Ladakh or anything else, he felt something was stirring in her and that’s why he was upset when she said that she is not upset that they didn’t travel but was happy that they didn’t go. He could see Sai was missing him, many a times he could see something in Sai but had still not tried to understand Sai or her feelings and maintain distance with Pakhi. The worst was the Ladakh trip where he let Pakhi talk crap, let her discuss about the trip with him as though they were a couple. He could see that Sai didn’t like it but even then did nothing about it. It has not only got to do whether Sai admits to him or not right, shouldn’t he have respected Sai’s displeasure or discomfort? I really liked your point about him thinking that she was at loggerheads with Pakhi. That’s a valid point that we need to consider but whether or not Sai had feelings, they both were married right? So, everything is only because he has developed feelings for her now? Otherwise he has never had any issues? He had issues during Aniket time too when he didn’t even know what he felt for Sai. Even then he didn’t think that when he felt that way, if Sai would be having issues with the closeness between him and Pakhi. He is very upset that Sai isn’t understanding his feelings now but he has never tried fo understand her feelings too.

Like how you have said, he has been too dumb. Has he ever thought why Sai would let him come so close, be it in their room on the bed during the laddoo scene or at the party venue when he was about to kiss. He noticed that she felt shy. She was so clear with her words at the pool too when he was trying to explain her that he need not since she has always known it and she had forgotten. What does that mean? She started to maintain distance from him, avoid him, didn’t even join a group photograph when she had organised the party a while ago. He blocked her and asked her what was wrong but still couldn’t understand that she was affected and why she was affected? He could make sense only when Sai told him 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️. Just like how he expects she looks st his actions and not words, why can’t he look at her actions? He can sense it and yet is feeling so insecured. Then, when he was committed to Pakhi, his difficult it must be for Sai, how insecured would she be. He is also failing to read Sai. The roadblock for Sai is his past, his waada and Pakhi herself but Virat’s roadblock is he himself, his inability to come clean about his past, his fear of rejection. I think I have got distracted 🙈.

Also, Virat is not maintaining distance now from Pakhi because of Sai, he is doing it due to Pakhi’s behaviour. He would have been mindful that Sai doesn’t misunderstand them especially due to the past he and Pakhi shares but he would have been friends with Pakhi and wouldn’t have thought much before moving with her like how he used to if he wasn’t aware of Pakhi’s mindset. Pakhi’s behaviour, her expectations and her thoughts sometimes makes him maintain distance but usually he is quite comfortable around Pakhi. I don’t doubt him but looking at his comfort level with Pakhi, who he befriended only when he couldn’t marry her, I am appalled at how he is not able to tolerate Sai’s friendship with any guy, especially Ajinkya. When he can share with Pakhi in the past that his marriage with Sai was just a deal since he thought her to be a friend, he didn’t like when Sai said she shares everything with Ajinkya since he us her friend. It was so sensible of her to bring Sunny as an example to explain how one would share everything with their friends. He keeps asking why does she need a lot of friends, why should she share about her with someone without thinking or flinching that he used to or may be would do that in future with his own ex let alone a friend.

Just to let you know, I didn’t think you are defending him or the questions above are not to you, it is to just explain why I think that way. As always, it is just me answering your questions, I know you too have issues with certain actions of him and you just gave a thought whether or not he is a hypocrite and shared or clarifying with what you think it is observed 😊.

Another thought that crossed my mind. As I have already mentioned above, there are too many roadblocks for Sai to understand Virat’s feelings. Virat couldn’t believe that Sai can like him or feel anything for him even when Sai is single, has never spoken or had any guy in her life. Then it is quite natural for Sai to feel insecured when he had someone in his life and that someone still shows interest in him. The way I see it, even if Sai can see changes in him towards her, she is not convinced that it could be love. It can be a husband as I have told you earlier too. She freaked out when he said he likes her, asked him not to joke because she feels that it is just not possible and it is like stopping him to play with her emotions. He had shared that he had someone in his life and cannot give that place to anyone else. What I feel is that Sai has seen her Dad who never moved on, who didn’t marry again, so her definition of love could be that a person can fall in love only once or they won’t be able to forget their first love. She had seen the same again with Devi Pulkit who never moved on and were waiting or decided to spend their life alone. I think that is why she is not able to even think that Virat can have feelings anyone other than Pakhi or that Virat is actually moving on. I think that is why she feels that he is doing it all only for her sake, may be because she will feel bad since she is married to him. This thought crossed my mind, so thought will share.

Originally posted by: laksh

@bold at that time Kamal did that because it was his daughter and now Virat is not in the same state as in GC because Sai is his wife. Emotions can drive people to do it or behave out of character. So it is not the fault in the writing, it shows the contrast in Virat who wasn’t attached to a girl to Virat who is now in love.

I dont think love should make you act against your principles. Yes you may be a little emotional and rash but not consistently going bonkers. Its too exaggerated in itv!

Originally posted by: Nja91

I dont think love should make you act against your principles. Yes you may be a little emotional and rash but not consistently going bonkers. Its too exaggerated in itv!

Ideally, it shouldn’t.

The exaggeration was when he dragged Ajinkya or when he ran to the room but he would have still got mad and jealous. In real life, people who have principles too go wrong. When we see the Virat who is very soft, caring, loving, the other behavior, his extreme reaction to certain situations looks real but to be honest, it is very real. People like him can also react or grow as mad as him. That is a problem due to the nature of such people. Just like Sai, he is also a guy good at heart but can get impulsive, can do things to hurt Sai even though he can’t see her in hurt whenever he feels betrayed. Many go wrong when they let their emotions overpower their senses.

I wrote the entire post…only to lose it. 😭 Will try to re-write it as much as possible.

Actually I was really confused. I've always been troubled by Virat’s double standards in this issue but didn't put a lot of thought into it until now. Also, I have this tendency to dismiss a lot of things as bad writing and that’s what I thought of a lot of Virakhi scenes too. But in view of the current track, those scenes assume a lot of significance. So while I wanted to understand Virat’s thinking – to make sure we are not misunderstanding him, the inappropriateness of Virakhi relations hit me with force. So I wrote down everything that came to my mind - that's why it was all over the place. 😅

Your explanation is the correct one Laksh. Virat and Sai are not roommates secretly in love with each other – they are behaving, living like they are in a relationship. This is the crucial point that I missed (and which I understood only recently). So it's like while Virat is expecting fidelity from Sai,(even when he was not in love as you said), he is not extending the same faithfulness to her. Or else be open-minded about both. The funny thing is, he doesn't even think he is crossing maryada (as he tells Sai during the past Harini b’day fight)– because his intentions are pure. But so is Sai’s! (after reading your analysis, I'm even more pissed with him about this than I was before and I'm definitely going to bash him more😡). Compare this to Sai’s honesty and maturity - she committed herself to give an explanation when Virat was troubled by Aniket. And I too had the same thought - that Virat's detached behaviour with Pakhi may not have anything to do with Sai's feelings but his own changing dynamics with Pakhi.

I always go by the belief that everyone is selfish, even in love – so I'm generally accepting of Virat’s stupidities. I'm also more open to his failure in taking a stand for Sai against his family. But fidelity and trust are sensitive issues – and his hypocrisy in this matter does not deserve any understanding.

Coming to Virakhi - I'm seriously beginning to have my suspicions. Their comfort level is disconcerting. It might have atleast made sense if they were close friends – although Virat being in orthodox family should know better. But these people hardly knew each other for two days! What's with the midnight rendezvous, entering each other’s rooms without knocking, being comfortable with each other’s touch?🙄. Were they having an emotional affair unknowingly – although it got blurred after Virat started having feelings for Sai? Is that why Pakhi behaves like a wronged lover? 😲. I can understand him being more considerate, going soft on her for her mistakes owing to his guilt and his sense of responsibility - but it cannot entail any of the above things. I don't want to say this, but one can only go by what is being shown.

Originally posted by: BBFanForever

I think he'll say yes after Sai asks him does he think she's characterless but he's already insinuated their affair 2-3 times before and in today's episode the lines clearly indicated what he implied. Also, just cos he didn't use the word characterless by himself doesn't he didn't imply that as I've already started seeing the justification on twitter & some other places on the forum.

So I took like 3 weeks off for vacation and my team winning the NBA title, so I haven't followed the goings-on of toxic Virat. A peaceful time.

Just popped in for today's episode, and wow...Virat's abusiveness has gone completely off the rails, and I'm lost on how many chances this idiot deserves to rehabilitate himself. The antagonists are straight up criminals. To have them just "come around" without any reference to their criminality would itself be a crime.

It's clear this show never had a plan (nor did KD). Just random disjointed drama to fill time, with no growth and development. Just "drama x today" in perpetuity. I hate that people make money producing garbage.