Isn't Sai like any other FL now? - Page 2

Originally posted by: I-Am-SherLOCKED

Exactly and the messaging is all wrong. Sai is a good person and is more often than not right. Trimurti are bad people but the good person has to bend over backwards for the bad in-laws to accept her? What is this regressive mentality? Shouldn't the question be about Sai accepting the Chavans and not the other way round? Why should the girl accept her in-laws, no matter how they are?

I agree. But its a two way street. When they see past Sai's "flaws" as they perceive it, they Will regret their actions n words n hopefully they will get a solid redemption too.

Originally posted by: I-Am-SherLOCKED

But aren't Devi and Ninad different? Devi is more than a sister to Sai but why do so much for a person who has left no stone unturned to torture you ever since the day you've entered this house? Virat's VRS and Ninad can't be compared. Ninad, Kaku and Sonali's words and actions have been so harsh to her that it's not a light matter.

Aswini today said the same describing Sai that she won’t hold any malice at heart.

For us yes Ninad won’t deserve Sai’s care and respect but for Sai he does. I remember even in the worst verbal battles fought by her she didn’t disrespect him and maintained decorum. Same with Bhavani. Sai is an orphan . She lost her father and doesn’t have anyone to claim as her own except Virat. So her urge to get love from Virat’s family is not out of place. That apart Virat himself goaded her to win their hearts in the begining itself.

Yes it is not easy to forgive and forget. I can’t do so. Rarely we find people like Sai Joshi. My brother is one among such. My husband also. That is why I could connect with Sai’s behaviour.

Originally posted by: tptwi

I agree with you that Ninad's actions are criminal. He is truly vile. But, today, a part of me did feel for him. Leaving aside all of his unredeemable qualities, he is part of a family that does not have permission to be happy. He lives in a toxic household with rules so strict and words so bitter that everyone has forgotten how to live life. Today, for the first time in years, someone cared enough about him to bring him back his long lost passion. Without passions in life, people lose themselves and forget what their purpose is. He was so touched by the fact that he only mentioned the harmonium once and Sai brought it for him the next day. So, in this regard, I saw the human in him for once.

In terms of Sai's compassion and her abba's teachings, yes, Sai was taught to stand up against all wrongs. And she does. Never once has she failed to speak or act up against injustice no matter what she has had to risk or lose for it. But, just as important to Sai is her family's happiness. We have seen time and time again that Sai is willing to do anything to see those she loves happy. And, yes, she loves Ninand despite everything he has done. As aai said today, she cannot hold grudges and forgives everyone. I don't think these are bad qualities to have at all. If anything, it speaks to the type of person she truly is. She chooses to see the human in everyone and see that they are worthy of love.

Agree with most things but tbh i still cant look past ninads faults. I am only ignoring it to enjoy epi. I cant feel for him either. We have not seen any instances of him being a good father, sacrificing his khushi etc....only destroying the life of his own bhanji. And being blind to his son's love n feelings for his wife too...

One thing I wish had been slightly different was Sai instead of saying that aapka haq banta hai because you are older n when kids make mistakes, you can correct it, i wish she had said- aap mere aabaa jaise hai toh agar aap kabhi pyaar seh daant bhi denge toh chalega. Because Sai's daant from trimurti has always been misplaced, malicious unlike virat/Ashwini.

Originally posted by: Nja91

Agree with most things but tbh i still cant look past ninads faults. I am only ignoring it to enjoy epi. I cant feel for him either. We have not seen any instances of him being a good father, sacrificing his khushi etc....only destroying the life of his own bhanji. And being blind to his son's love n feelings for his wife too...

One thing I wish had been slightly different was Sai instead of saying that aapka haq banta hai because you are older n when kids make mistakes, you can correct it, i wish she had said- aap mere aabaa jaise hai toh agar aap kabhi pyaar seh daant bhi denge toh chalega. Because Sai's daant from trimurti has always been misplaced, malicious unlike virat/Ashwini.

I’m not looking past his faults either. I agree with you that he is generally a vile human being. But, I think that living in toxic households contribute to continued cycles of abuse. That’s not to justify his behavior…it’s just to look at it from another perspective. Today, Ninand was no where near redeemed. I think today's episode spoke more about Sai's character than his. He has not apologized nor even shown a single ounce of remorse for his actions. And that dialogue from Sai would have been great, but Vankar and his team are not capable of such creativity.

Makers deleted kidnapping from their script. Only we remember that . They made that track to get along in Neil’s absence. Keeping that apart Ninad still is an abuser of his wife and daughter in law. But Sai just goes ahead with her plan to help him pursue his art irrespective of how he was to her and Aswini.

I feel relieved since I can’t tolerate Ninad’s toxic behaviour. Got some respite.

I'm glad you made a post where I can vent. I share your disgust - which I felt just reading about the episode. Not going to make myself upset by watching today's crap. 🤢

This show has a habit of trivializing every sensitive issue one can imagine. Domestic abuse, honour killing, harassment, abuse.

I'm not against showing redemption arc - but it should be believable and have some sense and not trivialize the pain of the victims. 80% of women in India face harassment from their in-laws everyday - and it robs them of their self-esteem, their peace of mind, their ability to function effectively. It destroys relationships, and the corruption takes over the next generation till it becomes a vicious cycle. Looking at things in a detached way, even Bhavani and Ninad may have been victims of their circumstances in their childhood - but it doesn't change the fact that the damage done to their soul, their distorted conscience and their tendency to inflict pain - won't all magically disappear by a harmonium. I wasn't happy with the way they handled Virat's domestic abuse either - but I let it go - atleast Virat is not shown to have malice towards Sai.

As for Sai, I've lost all energy ranting against Sai's butchering. It is supposed to show a character progression. Since Virat stopped her from leaving, she is trying to gain acceptance from her in-laws in order to live a peaceful life with Virat. They could have done that by making her more tactful, more patient. But they made her do things that seem as insincere as all typical ITV FLs - letting go of awful criminal activities of Bhavani (I thought she was pro-justice), using scholarship money to buy Ninad a harmonium, telling Pakhi she always considered her as her own sister (WTF). She is still Sai Joshi in other aspects but alas, a part of her is already gone. As you rightly pointed out, she was the one who got gifts only for Ashwini and Virat and told Bhavani straight-up that she has as much love for her as Bhavani has for Sai. I miss that Sai.

Sai is never the one to keep resentments, and she was humane and gracious to her enemies, sometimes even compassionate to them - that for me was the real Sai Joshi. ❤️ It takes strength to forgive and Sai is more forgiving than others because of all difficulties she has faced in her young life. But to actually show that she loves the very people who abused her is a feat that can only be achieved by ITV FLs. I wonder if even Mother Teresa can beat them.

I only want to say, if Ninad, Bhavani can be accepted as reformed people, Pakhi too can be sympathized as a victim. Kyoonki sab chalta hai in GHUM land. I wonder what Hitler liked. Sai Joshi had the power to prevent second world war. Oh, the tragedy - she was born too late. 😆

I am struggling with exactly this for the last few episodes - in fact was thinking about exactly this last night. The man is a criminal, his criminal activities are known to you, he has physically and mentally abused his wife who is like your own mother. Sai, your Aaba taught you to distinguish between right and wrong - you want to put this man in your Aaba’s place?! At the end of the day this “acceptance from in-laws” thing is literally what all saas-bahu shows are about, starting from Tulsi and her mother-in-law in Kyunki. Sai’s methods might be slightly different, which is what still makes it a little interesting, but in the end, the track is the same.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

I'm glad you made a post where I can vent. I share your disgust - which I felt just reading about the episode. Not going to make myself upset by watching today's crap. 🤢

This show has a habit of trivializing every sensitive issue one can imagine. Domestic abuse, honour killing, harassment, abuse.

I'm not against showing redemption arc - but it should be believable and have some sense and not trivialize the pain of the victims. 80% of women in India face harassment from their in-laws everyday - and it robs them of their self-esteem, their peace of mind, their ability to function effectively. It destroys relationships, and the corruption takes over the next generation till it becomes a vicious cycle. Looking at things in a detached way, even Bhavani and Ninad may have been victims of their circumstances in their childhood - but it doesn't change the fact that the damage done to their soul, their distorted conscience and their tendency to inflict pain - won't all magically disappear by a harmonium. I wasn't happy with the way they handled Virat's domestic abuse either - but I let it go - atleast Virat is not shown to have malice towards Sai.

As for Sai, I've lost all energy ranting against Sai's butchering. It is supposed to show a character progression. Since Virat stopped her from leaving, she is trying to gain acceptance from her in-laws in order to live a peaceful life with Virat. They could have done that by making her more tactful, more patient. But they made her do things that seem as insincere as all typical ITV FLs - letting go of awful criminal activities of Bhavani (I thought she was pro-justice), using scholarship money to buy Ninad a harmonium, telling Pakhi she always considered her as her own sister (WTF). She is still Sai Joshi in other aspects but alas, a part of her is already gone. As you rightly pointed out, she was the one who got gifts only for Ashwini and Virat and told Bhavani straight-up that she has as much love for her as Bhavani has for Sai. I miss that Sai.

Sai is never the one to keep resentments, and she was humane and gracious to her enemies, sometimes even compassionate to them - that for me was the real Sai Joshi. ❤️ It takes strength to forgive and Sai is more forgiving than others because of all difficulties she has faced in her young life. But to actually show that she loves the very people who abused her is a feat that can only be achieved by ITV FLs. I wonder if even Mother Teresa can beat them.

I only want to say, if Ninad, Bhavani can be accepted as reformed people, Pakhi too can be sympathized as a victim. Kyoonki sab chalta hai. I wonder what Hitler liked. Sai Joshi had the power to prevent second world war. Oh, the tragedy - she was born too late. 😆

What Sai is doing is acceptable. She is vexed with arguments and toxicity. In yesterday’s episode it was clear how Sai was not in a mood to indulge in verbal war. Ayesha portrayed it brilliantly by keeping her hand on her forehead in frustration. There is no energy left in her to be the same Sai who just blabbered and countered every verbal abuse in her own way. People need not be mahan if they want to CO exist in peace . They just try to avoid conflicts as much as they can.

Sorry this is only my point of view and I respect your take.

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Want to say only this. Life is very short to nourish grudges for a lifetime. And even the accused who are enduring punishment will get their lifetime imprisonment shortened if they change their behaviour and repent for their misdeeds. So if Ninad and Bhavani soften towards Sai what wrong is there? Instead it gives a message that better late than never. Ofcourse Pakhi can be sympathised if she shows change in attitude and tries to get rid of her vile and evil nature. We all will appreciate if she changes for better.

What Sai is doing is acceptable. She is vexed with arguments and toxicity. In yesterday’s episode it was clear how Sai was not in a mood to indulge in verbal war. Ayesha portrayed it brilliantly by keeping her hand on her forehead in frustration. There is no energy left in her to be the same Sai who just blabbered and countered every verbal abuse in her own way. People need not be mahan if they want to CO exist in peace . They just try to avoid conflicts as much as they can.

Sorry this is only my point of view and I respect your take.

I respect your view too!❤️🙂

Yes, if people repent, that should be given a second chance. But have Bhavani or Ninad repented for their actions ever - either towards Devyani or Ashwini or Sai? This show isn't sending the message that it's never too late to change, it's promoting that it's the job of the victim to be nice to her bullies.

People who make other people's life miserable for no apparent reason, without any guilt - they don't change by victims being nice to them. I've seen too many such people in close quarters. Only way to protect oneself from them is to move as far away from them as possible. If you cannot do so, you are doomed. If Bhavani and Ninad were just petty, selfish people, today's episode would have fine.

As I have said before - Sai never keeps grudges and that is the essence of her character. And that's absolutely fine. But to say she loves people who abused her is unrealistic (butchering) and just a means to whitewash criminals.