Episode Spoiler - 20 July 2021 - Page 6

I really loved the fact that they played the tum hi ho piano music in the background when she was expressing herself in the hospital. It reminded me of the melancholy we felt the first time they played this in the hotel/bedroom, after he'd asked her if she had place for him in her life as her husband and she avoided answering him. He so wanted to know if they had a future together and if she'd choose him but everything was uncertain at that point. He would not have been able to force her or influence her, or even woo her in any way, he just had to let it happen to her naturally by just being who he was.

Now look where they are today and how she's answering that question of his as to what he means to her and what kind of future she sees with him. Nicely done!

Originally posted by: inlieu

I really loved the fact that they played the tum hi ho piano music in the background when she was expressing herself in the hospital. It reminded me of the melancholy we felt the first time they played this in the hotel/bedroom, after he'd asked her if she had place from him in her life as her husband and she avoided answering him. He so wanted to know if they had a future together and if she'd choose him but everything was uncertain at that point. He would not have been able to force her or influence her, or even woo her in any way, he just had to let it happen to her naturally by just being who he was.

Now look where they are today and how she's answering that question of his as to what he means to her and what kind of future she sees with him. Nicely done!

The same moment played back in my head today. Great way to do the callback without making it glaringly obvious and shoving it in our face- actually, it's the third time they played the Tum Hi Ho piano tune na? First was the first time they shared a room and she avoided answering about the future. Second when she took a step towards him- told him she's made him her priority, when he is overwhelmed and zones out while she's talking, right before he tucks her in. And third, today, when she's expressing her love.

It's beautiful, because while the song plays from Raghav's perspective, it tracks Pallavi's journey in their marriage- from uncertainty, to commitment, to love.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

1. I don't know Jean. Can't pinpoint a moment. According to me it was a gradual process from the day they met. He might have labeled it as Love after Farhad voiced it in his office. Now he has reached a point where his soul is infused into hers.

2. He reads her like an open book. He has observed all the changes in her since the day they married. Again can't point exact moment. I can say he decided to make a move when she talked about their future together.

3. As I said before can't answer the question but agree with you on him being far ahead in the relationship. His feelings are deep like ocean. Pallavi still has a long way to go not only in her feelings for him but also in understanding him .

@bold, yeh kab hua?

2. Yes, he does and I think he was always beside her on her journey, without introducing or putting pressure on her. I remember us discussing on the forum that his whining about not being a priority was a too soon but it's great that he stepped back after that and let things flow naturally. I guess that's why the explicit verbal confirmation from Pallavi is so important, because he doesn't want to leave even 0.000001% of doubt or ambiguity between them regarding where they each stand in this relationship

3. In what sense do you think she still doesn't understand him the way he understands her?

I have also been trying to answer why Raghav fell in love with her in the first place. Her reason is clear, but his isn't... I have my theories but one day I do want to hear him express all this, whether in private or to her directly (and I don't mean a simple ILU but what draws him to her).

Originally posted by: inlieu

So now, some questions for you all.... I'm curious to hear everyone's opinions.

1. When did Raghav realize that he loves her?

2. What she told him in the hospital didn't surprise him at all but I think he wasn't expecting to hear it all of a sudden, that too in the hospital. So when did he realize the depth of her feeling?

3. I know he's been there for a while and we've all been saying it but what was the turning point?

For some reason, I still think what he feels is far deeper and Pallavi still has some way to go. Perhaps that's what we'll see them explore in the coming track.

Such interesting questions!

On 1 and 3: Really, really hard to pinpoint. I believe these two started falling in love right from day one, but I wonder whether there has been a 'moment' or 'epiphany' of realization. Which is why I didn't like Pallavi having one, because it's a little ridiculous to me that she didn't already know, at some level. I don't have the right words, but didn't love the idea of making the realization an 'event' rather than a process. So, until the show says otherwise, I'd say the realization for Raghav was a process too.

Not sure about turning point, but I think the day she stood up for him regarding the necklace incident was significant for him. He may not remember the vulnerable moment in the shower the previous night, but he was in a frame of mind of being unloveable (😭😭😭), and her unflinching faith definitely threw him. There was that awe in his voice talking to Farhad about it later, that was different from how he ever spoke of Pallavi before.

I think something shifted that day, whether or not he named it as love, and it was after this incident that he started wanting more from the marriage than just giving Pallavi the rights and privileges of being his wife, and took steps to open up himself- sharing his past story, wanting her to know, wanting her to believe his side of it, having expectations of being prioritised by her, that she'd share things with him- that little outburst he had after the Kirti-trying-to-run-away incident, when it came out that Pallavi knew about Sunny. He had started having expectations of a partnership now.

He's been hesitant to voice it as love though, and I think that comes from all the different guilts and burdens he's been carrying- about the marriage, then about Mandaar. When Jaya asks if it's love, he terms it as 'something'. The closest he came to voicing where he's at was when he was drunk, and pleading a passed out Pallavi to not misunderstand him, and not leave him, because he needs her. When Pallavi asked him if he loves her last week, when he gifted her the dress, he doesn't deny it, he just evades it with a smile- which I'm reading as a sign that with the guilt towards her resolved, he's accepted it in his own head, and is now just waiting for her to explicitly tell him that she's on the same page.

On 2: Pallavi wears her heart on her sleeve, and Raghav is incredibly perceptive. I don't think he's at all blind to the depth of her feelings, he's just unwilling to take the slightest of risk that he may be reading her wrong. I would guess the jail incident would have really driven the point home, and I think that's what led him to give up and finally tell her the story he had been trying to hide- the realization that she's never going to let him go down the path he was planning, it was a lost cause, as well as a futile mission, because him trying to scapegoat himself is only giving her more pain than just him covering for Kirti, and giving her pain was the last thing his plan was supposed to achieve.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

Yes. He was just mindblowing in that scene. I said he bought out all the love because he has known his own feelings for her from a long time now and was holding back from expressing just to make sure she is in it too on her own will.

It must have been really hard for him considering how straightforward he is always with his feelings. He can't go back now and he needs her verbal green signal to move forward.

Unless she says it aloud he isn't going to make any move. He is desperate and Sai did a spectacular job showing all these in just a sentence.

Dil jeet liya mera.

@bold... this... it's what made me fall for Raghav even more, that he could bring himself to show that much restrain and sensitivity, that there was such a depth to his emotions and that it was such a believable facet of his personality as much as his badtameez, ghamandi, insensitive side. Sure he was doing this for her and for himself, but its not like he suddenly developed these traits. He always had them in him, and Amma was right when she said he had a lot of love to give. He's finally found the person to give it to wholeheartedly.

I love Raghav Rao much! ❤️

I love the way Sai uses every single feature of his to communicate and express RR's feelings.

Sai is going to be big someday, especially considering how he's been growing over the past few months. I know we make fun of ITV but the fact is that for someone like him who hasn't had that much exposure, working with the MHRW is like learning on the job and getting to explore so many aspects of the craft every single day. He decided to make the best of it and grow his repertoire, which not a lot of actors do on TV because they aren't ambitious or do not care to perfect their craft.

This is a big break for him, he knows it and appreciates it. It's what keeps my hope alive that he won't stop doing TV (or ITV) after this show.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

The same moment played back in my head today. Great way to do the callback without making it glaringly obvious and shoving it in our face- actually, it's the third time they played the Tum Hi Ho piano tune na? First was the first time they shared a room and she avoided answering about the future. Second when she took a step towards him- told him she's made him her priority, when he is overwhelmed and zones out while she's talking, right before he tucks her in. And third, today, when she's expressing her love.

It's beautiful, because while the song plays from Raghav's perspective, it tracks Pallavi's journey in their marriage- from uncertainty, to commitment, to love.

The second time was actually the song itself. I was referring to the piano music only, the sad version.

@bold yes indeed!

I always keep saying this isn't just a love story, it's a story about love in so many forms, and we're seeing this couple gradually go through all of it: loving your partner, then falling in love with your partner, while also learning to love yourself (something these two have also been learning to do).

Originally posted by: inlieu

The second time was actually the song itself. I was referring to the piano music only, the sad version.

@bold yes indeed!

I always keep saying this isn't just a love story, it's a story about love in so many forms, and we're seeing this couple gradually go through all of it: loving your partner, then falling in love with your partner, while also learning to love yourself (something these two have also been learning to do).

Oh yes, you're right- it was the song, and not just the score in that scene. My bad, misremembered. But it was still close enough that both those previous two moments popped up in my head as soon as the piano music started today, definitely enriching the scene more than any other music could have.

You're right- this show has depicted, just, love, in a much more beautiful, layered and real way than I have ever seen on TV before.

Originally posted by: Inese_20

I think it was because he has waited all this while patiently, to hear those words from her. He knew what she was going to say at the hospital. It was like all he wanted was just knocking at his door finally and was then taken away within seconds. His thought process must have been along the lines of - ‘What else could be this important to pallavi, that she left this conversation midway’. That legit hurts. And the hurt showed in his eyes, and his words later.

He wants her to say it explicitly, because then he can act on his own feelings for her. Which he has been holding back for so long. ❤️

@bold this is what I felt as well, Sai was so fantastic in communicating this with his eyes!

Raghav was bewildered and hurt, but even then when she returned to the room his eyes were only on her, observing her closely and noticing right away that something was wrong. It is so refreshing to see this, otherwise in ITV in another show the ML would have just focused on his own emotions and failed to even see that she was stressed. This moment for Raghav should have/would have been about him being the center of her universe but he didn't take long to shift the focus to her needs and challenges. He's so in tune with her emotions, that it reinforces what she said about him being the partner she had been looking for. She talked about him spreading her happiness, but he also shares her pain and worries. ❤️

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Oh yes, you're right- it was the song, and not just the score in that scene. My bad, misremembered. But it was still close enough that both those previous two moments popped up in my head as soon as the piano music started today, definitely enriching the scene more than any other music could have.

You're right- this show has depicted, just, love, in a much more beautiful, layered and real way than I have ever seen on TV before.

@bold, that's because it exists but we are shortchanged by poor writing. If more writers and PHs had the courage to buck the trend we'd be getting all this diversity and more. A few shows have managed this very well but unfortunately the majority cannot seem to match up.

Tumhaari Pakhi was another show where the depth of emotions and sensitive moments was spectacularly written into the plot and portrayed by the leads. One of my all-time favorites in this regard. ❤️

Originally posted by: Shivi.forever

Oye in the Other thread u said it s attraction n hormones n here u r saying this. 😒😒

Kya manjra hai. 🥺🥺

I meant that leaning forward to kiss her - the action itself - is not necessarily a sign of love. There's all the other context that needs to be considered.