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Posted: 4 years ago
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Yes you are right but this story not about her so her parents don't have much role. It's Sai virat story pakhi is only catalist to there journey. Here every new character created for to progress there journey. So it doesn't matter in story what pakhi parents thinks they are coming in picture whenever we have to see what they are thinking or doing with saobor Virat.

In story they don't have role. Pakhi also created for Sai Virat journey. From last 6month except starting episode have we seen any scean of pakhi where sai virat don't involve or nothing to do with Sai Virat no.

But we have lots of sceans separately for Sai Virat and about individual there life . What should pakhi parents responsibility is not concern in story.

I know you said as generally if there is character like pakhi in real so it should parents responsibility. Yes in real if this thing happened and son in law is missing then any parents will first concert with there child and will make sure she is not in any such situation like pakhi is now. My sister is married and my mom called her 2-3 times in day to know how's she here her parents don't know how there girls life is going on.

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Pakhi is a only child, must have been pampered throughout her childhood and must have got whatever she wanted. That is why the rejection hit her very badly.

During the initial episodes, it was clear that her parents gave her freedom and even supported her to find a life partner. However her mother is a control freak and when she got Chavan’s proposal, she was excited and she wanted best for her daughter.
Though her father was understanding and supported Pakhi’s decision to marry Samrat to stay in close proximity to Virat. He should have cautioned her, counseled her and must have aided her in making the right decision.

Pakhi is deeply disturbed and depressed. Her distraught is making her obsessive and irrational. She lost self esteem here, otherwise after all the insults, she keeps coming back to SaiRat’s door step. She needs her parents support now more than ever. Virat should make a call to her father and explain her behavior, otherwise in CN, nobody will.

She needs care and family’s support, which can make her self aware and mend her ways. She may need counseling and even therapy.

She is otherwise a beautiful and educated woman, who is spoiling her life in some delusional lost love tragedy. She should divert her focus away from Virat and focus into restoring her self image and career.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Optimist_d

Since I am seeing a lot of discussions going around Patralekha, I remember when she accepted the Vaada from Virat, I have mentioned that since she was very high emotionally, her parents should have guided her to take a right decision.


Now that she has actually spoiled her life, or rather still spoiling it and making it worse for Sai just out of her jealousy, I am trying to understand how can her parents help her in this situation. But for that, I want to first analyze her parents or the bond she shares with them.


From the initial episodes, we can see that she fell for Virat(kind of crush?) when she saw how he was so close to his family. Virat remembers even zodiac signs(I believe that's what the priest asked during the puja) of all his family members. It is her first impression about him. I wont talk much about the yoga love coz we have enough posts discussing about that.


Now that she is in love with him and her parents are keen about a proposal, she wanted to meet/contact Virat ASAP. Here, I think even her friend and parents played a role in making her feel like she has been cheated by the person she met at yoga camp. I guess she never faced any rejection in her life and this is where she couldn't handle her emotions.


There are lot of parents in India who are against love marriages. I think here, her mother, instead of understanding her daughter, was more keen about Samrat and Chavans proposal. Yes, maybe any mother would be happy for getting such a proposal for her daughter, especially when she is so worried about her wedding, but why is it so common for the parents to expect their children to be emotionally strong? especially when they go through heartbreaks.


Yes, we all know that she should have taken sometime to heel from this before considering any marriage proposal. Then why couldn't her mother see that? Pakhi's dad tried a lot to explain her but let her decide. I like him :)


Once they got to know that Virat is Samrat's cousin and she will be staying in the same house as Virat, Pakhi's dad didn't want to proceed with the match, but Pakhi insisted. Again, she did so because she wanted to meet Virat. However, once her parents got to know about the promise, why didn't they stop the wedding? Some of us blame Pakhi for ruining Samrat's life and some blame Virat for ruining Samrat's(and Pakhi's) life. But they both were so emotional at that point and had no control on the emotions(doesn't mean what they did is right).


Pakhi's parents are the only ones(elders) to know the truth. In this situation, I think, as parents, they should have cancelled the wedding by letting the family know the truth, or take sometime from them or do whatever they can to give pakhi some space to understand the circumstances. Pakhi's dad clearly told her that it's not possible for Virat to keep up the promise. I don't even want to talk about her mother coz she is more keen on getting her daughter married. Maybe she thought that things will get solved after marriage(?).


I think this is where a parent should step up and take the responsibility in his/her/their hands. He did tell her multiple times that he is with his daughter no matter what decision she takes. But I think she thought that she can make Virat jealous by being close to Samrat and thereby making Virat accept his feelings for her. Her dream of Virat holding that MS shows that she was actually not ready for the wedding with Samrat.


So why didn't her father take the decision on behalf of her and save her life? coz he clearly said that 'do naav pe chalna' dialogue to her.


Being an adult doesn't mean we don't need any guidance or support in our lives. Yes, parents should not be too much interfering in their children's life, but is it not their responsibility to help their children see where they are going wrong? I am not blaming anyone here. I am just trying to understand your perspective on parenting and your opinions on the way the situation was handled.


PS: I am not doing this to understand Pakhi/to talk anything about the yoga love/to discuss whose mistake it is or anything else. Please do not post any such things as my intent is to only understand a parent's perspective. Or, as a kid, what would you expect your parents to do if at all you are about to do a mistake that effects(maybe ruin) your life.


PPS: Tagging only those whom I have recently interacted with. Please feel free to share your views :)


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Pakhi grew up in a very loving household. It is evident from the way that her parents treat her that she was supported throughout her life both emotionally and otherwise. We can then assume that her parents paid attention to her life and knew the ins and outs of her personality. Bearing all of this in mind, I cannot help but think that her parents must have known that she has an obsessive personality and has trouble letting things go. So, when she insisted on getting married to Samrat even after knowing that Virat is his cousin and that they live in the same house, her parents must have at least guessed that she is doing all of this to be able to stay close to Virat. This is a crazy thing to do for someone you spent 2 days with, and know basically nothing about. Her parents should have stepped in right there and then. They should have stopped the wedding. This was a disaster waiting to happen.

Despite the fact that her dad is a logical and rational person, at the end of the day, he gives his daughter what she wants. He supports her no matter what, even when what she is doing is simply crazy. Her mom does not seem to see that her daughter can do anything wrong. We saw this most recently during her parents wedding anniversary, when Pakhi was shamelessly insulting Sai and Virat. Her mom stayed silent, and while her dad tried to help the situation, he never seems to say anything against his own daughter.

I agree with you that even though Pakhi was an adult, her parents still had a responsibility to stop the wedding. Or at least try to. But, on the other hand, I don't think that even they realized that Pakhi would take her obsession with Virat this far. Maybe if Samrat had not disappeared, she could have grown to love him. But, I feel as if she would have always have a vendetta against Sai, and she would have always had a problem with seeing Virat and Sai together in the same household.

At this point, I don't blame Pakhi's condition on anyone else but herself. She has become unredeemable for me, and I simply don't feel or see her pain. She has become entirely delusional, and in that state, she has taken every single opportunity to make Sai's life a living hell. There is no excuse for that. Sai's dialogue yesterday was spot on...that Pakhi put all her expectations in Virat, but Sai keeps all of her expectations in her own hands. Pakhi is expecting a life full of happiness and dreams from a man she knew for 2 days. Tell this to anyone and they will think it's crazy. I truly do think she needs mental help. But, the problem is, that her parents will do whatever she wants. She wants to stay in CN, so they will let her. Them fulfilling her wishes is apparently more important to them than her mental health and sanity. By now, they know how miserable she is living there. She has even gone home at multiple points and called them crying about the same thing. It is just not registering for her parents, because in an ironic way, they are blind in her love, and therefore will ultimately follow her lead.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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With what ever little they have shown about Pakhis interaction with her parents it's looks like she always got what she wanted in her life and was never used to listening to NO or not getting what she wants. I believe this is where the problem lies between Pakhi and her parents.


Listing out some details about the 3 characters which gives us an insight into Pakhi, her mom and her dad

1) When the marriage proposal came Pakhis mom just wanted her to get married to the best family and the best catch of a husband even before they met the family or Pakhi and Samrat met each other . This was not only impulsive , but complete disregard to her own daughters likes or dislikes.

2) Pakhis dad though he came across as supportive, he would do what ever the daughter wants he mostly kept quite when Pakhi was going through the ceremonies and even when Shivani questioned are you happy with the wedding. How could he let her go through a wedding when she was crying all along. Was getting the daughter married the ultimate goal of their life? This baffled me since we got to see such a contrast in GC scenes between another father and daughter and Pakhi and her dad.


Now coming to the scene after he got to know that Virat is Samrats brother he didn't insist, instead made a statement that I am with you if you back off the wedding. So again he could not conclude if it's good to let Pakhi married to Samrat going by the Vaada or not. So no clear thoughts or conclusions after the reveal and fell for the daughter's tears. He seems to be a person with not much of a character or principles other than being a pendulum. Why couldn't he go against Pakhi and go talk to Samrat and others, even if he couldn't reveal about Virat, I am sure Samrat would have backed off. But he too somewhere felt this is a perfect match in good family for Pakhi.


3) Pakhi imbibes the above qualities from her parents and lack of good parenting is pretty obvious with the added qualities we have seen so far. She blocked a phone number because the other person did not recognize her voice. Why should he recognize her voice, is he her lover or acquaintance no. Just someone she met a few days ago and hoped something happens between them. This was impulsive and high handedness which her parents clearly made her feel all her life is what I am guessing similar to moms doing raja beta talks with their sons. For her she is the most important person and everything needs to revolve around her.


Next she agrees to the wedding instead of giving herself some time to clear her thought even when Samrat and others asked her multiple times if she is happy. This to me seemed like she agreed to the wedding to punish Virat than to please her parents or for herself.


Next she finds out Virat is Samrats cousin and wants Virat to cancel the wedding and announce that he will be getting married to Pakhi. At this point we know she is impulsive and doesn't care for anyone other than herself. Virat clearly told her he cannot marry her now or later and it's up to her if she wants to get married or not. She could have backed off but she decided to dance with Samrat to get a reaction from Virat and when she did she tried to manipulate him asking how will you see me with your brother all your life. She is clearly manipulative based on this scene.


After the Vaada, Why did she agree to the wedding if she was so in love with Virat, what was she thinking she was going to get out of the Vaada. Even after the Vaada Virat did not force her to get married, it was up to her. Basically a sad Virat for the rest of his life as a punishment for not recognizing her voice and not agreeing to her demand of cancelling the wedding. This is clearly narcissist behavior.


Now coming to the question will love change her. I don't think so, at this point she doesn't care about anyones love or care. We saw this in her aayi baba anniversary , basically ruining their party. So she doesn't care about her parents either. All she wants to see is watch Virat living a miserable life and have access to him 24/7. I don't know if there is medical help for narcissist behavior, is there 🤔.


Pakhi and her parents both are at fault for going ahead with the wedding and still letting her live this life and letting her negativity effect others lives day in and day out. But yes parents here are more responsible for fanning her egoistic and narcissist behavior and continuing to do so.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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I completely agree whatever you wrote.

Whatever pakhi is today is mainly due to her parents over love and care and they never say no to her.if one always get what she wants and she practice this in her last 26 year.then to expect such person to change that too in cn environment is next to impossible.

Even during wedding I was expecting her father to be strict and called of the wedding but he let her do what she wants. Isn't parents responsibility to tell their child that fire can harm you stay away even when child do not listen be firm and scold that child.But no they let her as she desires.

Coming to virat ,I feel virat is responsible for this mess as much as pakhi is(I know unpopular opinion).but I firmly believe his vaada(so called pakki jaban),him calling pakhi alone for his wedding and telling her that vaada is still intact,after his wedding giving her space in his life till the time he didn't fell in love and then instead of helping her he is behaving as if he is the most innocent one in this mess of their life.

Entire chavan family ,either they taunt pakhi only for virat pakhi past or using her against sai or for samrat money or to protect their izzat.

So there is no sane person who can actually help her out at this point.in pakhi,I m seeing a child who has lost the only way he chooses and now standing and crying.that child does not where to go and what to do.So now she is doing everything in her power to protect that vaada for which she bet her life .

Lastly I m not absolving pakhi but since her faults her being discussed zillion time so I don't feel to write same stuff again.

CVS if anyone is reading my post ,please focus on character sketch of pakhi.she was the main part of this story.this story was about virat,sai and pakhi love triangle. How will they cross this love triangle and find happiness.that was the original plot.But u guys are using her just for sai glorification and sai virat dynamics. Can't u show some insight for her character. Can't she have life other than being obstacle for FL or sairat aa couple.i don't know how people are saying that CVS are focusing so much on pakhi that they are neglecting sai ,virat and sairat.But all i can see is that pakhi character is the most pathetic with same dialog,no growth,no dynamics apart from leads.god knows how pakhi is getting her ways done from makers.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: MuguetDScorpion


The moment I came to know that the guy my daughter is going to marry is the brother of the guy she loves, I would have stopped the wedding. I won't accept to see my daughter dying every day a little more just by seeing her ex lover. Having your ex in front of you will never allow you to forget him. So as parents Pakhi's parents failed in taking the right decision. They could have found someone else for even let her forget Virat before getting her married.

Now the only thing they can do is call her back home. They seriously need to get her back before she loses her mind.

Exactly! Especially at that point, she was not over Virat yet. It seemed like her mother was keen on getting her married off, just because Chavans are oh so the great ones

They really need to get her back! or maybe her mom is so happy that her daughter is the best bahu. She did say this when Pakhi denied to go with them on the pretext of taking care of Mansi. I don't understand this obsession of being the best or everyone's fav🤷‍♀️

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: tptwi


Thank you so much for the tag ❤️

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Pakhi grew up in a very loving household. It is evident from the way that her parents treat her that she was supported throughout her life both emotionally and otherwise. We can then assume that her parents paid attention to her life and knew the ins and outs of her personality. Bearing all of this in mind, I cannot help but think that her parents must have known that she has an obsessive personality and has trouble letting things go. So, when she insisted on getting married to Samrat even after knowing that Virat is his cousin and that they live in the same house, her parents must have at least guessed that she is doing all of this to be able to stay close to Virat. This is a crazy thing to do for someone you spent 2 days with, and know basically nothing about. Her parents should have stepped in right there and then. They should have stopped the wedding. This was a disaster waiting to happen.

The thing is, most of the parents cannot see their child's mistake. So even though they paid attention to her life, I don't think they have any idea about the obsession. In fact I think this is the first time she didn't get what she wanted, she is the first time someone said no to what she asked for. Though they might know that she needs everything she ask for, they can't see it as obsession. That's the problem.

But yes, after knowing that Virat is her fiancé's cousin, I don't understand how Pakhi's mom was not at all worried and was so stuck on just getting her daughter married.

and what's there to guess? she did tell her dad that she is marrying Samrat so that she can NOT lose her friend-Virat. But I don't understand this friendship though


Despite the fact that her dad is a logical and rational person, at the end of the day, he gives his daughter what she wants. He supports her no matter what, even when what she is doing is simply crazy. Her mom does not seem to see that her daughter can do anything wrong. We saw this most recently during her parents wedding anniversary, when Pakhi was shamelessly insulting Sai and Virat. Her mom stayed silent, and while her dad tried to help the situation, he never seems to say anything against his own daughter.

Yes! Her dad gives up when it's about his daughter's wish. Her mom toh, I don't even want to talk about her. If 'what society thinks matters to me over my child's happiness' had a face, it's her. From what I see, even her mom holds grudge against Virat. Did you remember the name changing episode, where she told Pakhi to see how Virat is supporting Sai against his family. Weird


I agree with you that even though Pakhi was an adult, her parents still had a responsibility to stop the wedding. Or at least try to. But, on the other hand, I don't think that even they realized that Pakhi would take her obsession with Virat this far. Maybe if Samrat had not disappeared, she could have grown to love him. But, I feel as if she would have always have a vendetta against Sai, and she would have always had a problem with seeing Virat and Sai together in the same household.

True! They didn't realize it. But when she said she is getting married to stay close to Virat, what did they think? Will she be happy in a marriage where she doesn't even think of her husband? what's the logic here, I fail to understand.

You know what, had Samrat been there, she wouldn't leave a chance to show off being close to Samrat in front of Virat. and with Sai in picture, she would always compare the love she gets from Samrat to the love Sai gets from Virat. This is really not healthy for any of them.


At this point, I don't blame Pakhi's condition on anyone else but herself. She has become unredeemable for me, and I simply don't feel or see her pain. She has become entirely delusional, and in that state, she has taken every single opportunity to make Sai's life a living hell. There is no excuse for that. Sai's dialogue yesterday was spot on...that Pakhi put all her expectations in Virat, but Sai keeps all of her expectations in her own hands. Pakhi is expecting a life full of happiness and dreams from a man she knew for 2 days. Tell this to anyone and they will think it's crazy. I truly do think she needs mental help. But, the problem is, that her parents will do whatever she wants. She wants to stay in CN, so they will let her. Them fulfilling her wishes is apparently more important to them than her mental health and sanity. By now, they know how miserable she is living there. She has even gone home at multiple points and called them crying about the same thing. It is just not registering for her parents, because in an ironic way, they are blind in her love, and therefore will ultimately follow her lead.

Yes, at this point, she is responsible for this shit in her life! She should stop gaslighting Virat, stop guilt tripping him and instead think of herself. Which pain dude? Just because she is in pain doesn't give her any right to hurt Sai. The day pain turns into jealous, jealous into hatred, that's not a pain for the viewers anymore.

Sai's dialogue was spot on! She is expecting a man to fulfil her dreams, who doesn't even consider her as a friend. and she herself is responsible for this. It's high time, her parents should think of her, for her, not for what she wants. I hope I made sense😆

So many lengthy posts and my laziness is back😆 Had to take some time to read and reply😳

Edited by Optimist_d - 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Optimist_d

So many lengthy posts and my laziness is back😆 Had to take some time to read and reply😳

Thank you for your comments, and also this entire post! It really made me think from a different perspective 😊

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Originally posted by: tptwi

Thank you for your comments, and also this entire post! It really made me think from a different perspective 😊

Thank you!😳

Yes, it's good to see through the different perspectives :)

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Originally posted by: Rdigest

With what ever little they have shown about Pakhis interaction with her parents it's looks like she always got what she wanted in her life and was never used to listening to NO or not getting what she wants. I believe this is where the problem lies between Pakhi and her parents.

Yes, that's what even I believe. Letting go is not so easy and I think this is a learning process. It won't happen just like that, especially not when one gets everything he/she asks for.


Listing out some details about the 3 characters which gives us an insight into Pakhi, her mom and her dad

1) When the marriage proposal came Pakhis mom just wanted her to get married to the best family and the best catch of a husband even before they met the family or Pakhi and Samrat met each other . This was not only impulsive , but complete disregard to her own daughters likes or dislikes.

Yes!! I pointed it out many times. She is more into getting her married, as per the society standards, but what about her daughter's likes and dislikes? Just because Samrat is in army and Chavans are famous, she pushed her daughter. This makes me think, no one actually did any background check here


2) Pakhis dad though he came across as supportive, he would do what ever the daughter wants he mostly kept quite when Pakhi was going through the ceremonies and even when Shivani questioned are you happy with the wedding. How could he let her go through a wedding when she was crying all along. Was getting the daughter married the ultimate goal of their life? This baffled me since we got to see such a contrast in GC scenes between another father and daughter and Pakhi and her dad.

I felt it's like showing the difference of two upbringings. Both the fathers love their daughter but look at the way one teaches her daughter to differentiate between right and wrong. I think Shailesh can't say no to her daughter, whatever it is.


Now coming to the scene after he got to know that Virat is Samrats brother he didn't insist, instead made a statement that I am with you if you back off the wedding. So again he could not conclude if it's good to let Pakhi married to Samrat going by the Vaada or not. So no clear thoughts or conclusions after the reveal and fell for the daughter's tears. He seems to be a person with not much of a character or principles other than being a pendulum. Why couldn't he go against Pakhi and go talk to Samrat and others, even if he couldn't reveal about Virat, I am sure Samrat would have backed off. But he too somewhere felt this is a perfect match in good family for Pakhi.

I think he did ask her not to go for sangeet. But she wanted to, so that she can meet Virat. Again, as always, he couldn't say no to her daughter.

However, the moment he got to know about the vaada, he should have taken a firm decision. and the mother's obsession to get her married, as if Samrat is the last ladka on the earth It's not about revealing about Virat, had he tried talking to Samrat, poor boy would have backed off or given sometime to decide.


3) Pakhi imbibes the above qualities from her parents and lack of good parenting is pretty obvious with the added qualities we have seen so far. She blocked a phone number because the other person did not recognize her voice. Why should he recognize her voice, is he her lover or acquaintance no. Just someone she met a few days ago and hoped something happens between them. This was impulsive and high handedness which her parents clearly made her feel all her life is what I am guessing similar to moms doing raja beta talks with their sons. For her she is the most important person and everything needs to revolve around her.

Lack of good parenting, true! Yes, she is still the same. No matter what the discussion is, she makes it about herself. Sometimes I used to feel pity, for what she did to herself.

Things got more clear during their anniversary party. I don't understand why doesn't her mother wants to sit and talk to her, talk about her, talk for her what's this obsession with letting her go back to a place where she is miserable, which parents does that?


Next she agrees to the wedding instead of giving herself some time to clear her thought even when Samrat and others asked her multiple times if she is happy. This to me seemed like she agreed to the wedding to punish Virat than to please her parents or for herself.

Same here! Even I felt the same. It's like, you rejected me, so I can't be yours. Didn't she do the same on her first night? She called Virat to make him feel jealous by talking about it. She even wanted to prove in front of Virat that, she is more caring, matured blah blah blah compared to Sai. But why even compare? I guess people like her wants everyone to pay attention to them.


Next she finds out Virat is Samrats cousin and wants Virat to cancel the wedding and announce that he will be getting married to Pakhi. At this point we know she is impulsive and doesn't care for anyone other than herself. Virat clearly told her he cannot marry her now or later and it's up to her if she wants to get married or not. She could have backed off but she decided to dance with Samrat to get a reaction from Virat and when she did she tried to manipulate him asking how will you see me with your brother all your life. She is clearly manipulative based on this scene.

Why should Virat do that? Is he anywhere responsible for this mess at that point? How can he go and tell his family that the girl who is ready to marry my brother loves me/I love her. Even then she tried to put the blame on Virat. She has always been manipulative! God!


After the Vaada, Why did she agree to the wedding if she was so in love with Virat, what was she thinking she was going to get out of the Vaada. Even after the Vaada Virat did not force her to get married, it was up to her. Basically a sad Virat for the rest of his life as a punishment for not recognizing her voice and not agreeing to her demand of cancelling the wedding. This is clearly narcissist behavior.

She didn't love him, it isn't love. You won't punish your loved ones like that. How can you even see your loved ones miserable all their life, right in front of u!?

Exactly! Narcissist behavior. Virat seems to be so emotional for me. It's so easy to make him feel guilty for things he didn't even do. and she is so expert at this!


Now coming to the question will love change her. I don't think so, at this point she doesn't care about anyones love or care. We saw this in her aayi baba anniversary , basically ruining their party. So she doesn't care about her parents either. All she wants to see is watch Virat living a miserable life and have access to him 24/7. I don't know if there is medical help for narcissist behavior, is there 🤔.

You know, I always used to say, one who can't respect his/her parents can never respect their life partner. When life throws you at such horrible situations, your real personality comes out. Anyone can be so goody goody when things are going as planned. But at times like this, is what decides what kind of a person you are. The day she mocked Sai on her first day(for college), I understood this.

Right now, all she cares is to separate Sai and Virat. Didn't she say, since I didn't get the love of my life, even you wont All the medical help she needs is only so that she can't damage her life anymore. beyond that, I don't think there will be any change in her character. I mean even if she is whitewashed, I am sure she can be back to a narcissist.


Pakhi and her parents both are at fault for going ahead with the wedding and still letting her live this life and letting her negativity effect others lives day in and day out. But yes parents here are more responsible for fanning her egoistic and narcissist behavior and continuing to do so.

True! Parents are the only ones who can think for ourselves. They have seen us since childhood, know us in and out, but if they can't help us, who can? There's a huge difference between giving kids what they want and what they need.

uff! Such a long post! But really a very good perspective. Long back when the episode aired, even I thought that she went ahead with the marriage just to punish Virat but then I forgot. This post made me remind most of the things that I thought at that time.


Thank you for sharing your views 😳 My response in pink :)

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