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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nja91

I hope that Virats reaction to see Sai hurt that too on her birthday because PP cant stop being a frickin b**ch is not too underwhelming. I really want to see his rage at how she dared to hurt his wife, his precious Sai..


Yes. That is what I am waiting for too. I cannot wait for that scene. A part of me is more excited for that scene than the birthday sequence. I really hope Vankar does not let us down this time.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nja91

I think the way Neil performed it as Virat made the virat pp scene bearable and not cringeworthy but it was still annoying to watch mainly because as a viewer you want to see Virat be annoyed at her insensitivity towards a surprise, you wanna see him be extremely wary of any physical contact no matter how trivial eoth her after knowing her intentions. In some prior scenes we saw that- where in front of everyone he does not allow pp to help him even when he was stumbling from the stair. Infact he even looked at Sai and shared a nod with her when sonali kaku deliberately came in between him n Sai to hold him and guide him to sofa when he came back from hospital. To see that same guy, hold pp's hand so "casually" to shut her up is just a little disconcerting to watch. Its as if makers and director forgot what pp-virats equation is. Its not like pp is really his bhabhi or friend. If he had done this exact same scene with karishma instead of pp where karishma in her "jealousy" of Sais attention had tried to ruin the surprise, then no one would bat an eyelid. If he held Karishmas hand to just signal her tp shut up- no big deal. Because their relationship is different from virat-pp.

And the saving grace is that Sai didn't see it. Because she would've been very hurt. But the hand holding did catch karishma-sonalis eye and just like us audience they definitely saw the significance of that minite physical contact. Coz they like audience know how pp acts/feels. So they know that just a hand hold to shut her up from ruining his surprise for his wife is also enough for her to build castles in air, for her to feel "haq" on even him as friend. But she has ZERO haq on him..not even as his bhabhi because she doesn't behave like one.

Originally posted by: tptwi

Like I said in my other post, I agree that the hand-holding was really unnecessary in today's episode. He could have whispered those same words to her without grabbing her hand. But, I think it is quite an exaggeration to say that he is two-timing based on this one scene, especially because we have seen him openly tell Sai that he doesn't care if Paapi eats or not, and we have seen him refusing to get help from Paapi/not letting her touch him after he got back from the hospital. These are just two examples. It is very clear that Virat only cares about Sai- we even heard these explicit words in the wall-pinning scene. I agree that his history with Paapi made the scene uncomfortable to watch, and trust me, I did not want to see it either. But, I personally would not look so deep into it. He just wanted to tell her to shut up and not ruin the surprise for his wife.

The issue is not about debating Virat, but about what the writers are trying to convey

During the KKHH moment ....I was pissed but didn't give it any importance. But when it is happening again, I'm disconcerted. Is there something writers are trying to show us - as much as it defies logic? As much as we can see Virat loves Sai? Can be brush the KKHH moment to be just Vankar's creativity? Or are they actually trying to hint that Virat still subconsciously enjoys Pakhi's attention? I don't know what to make of the poor writing - why include it if it was not supposed to convey anything? Once is mistake but twice?

Writing is everything - it can convey a message that they did not intend. Or it can be that they are indeed trying to hint at an obnoxious idea. Either way, bad, bad job.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: tptwi

Exactly this. Virat's intentions were pure. He just wanted to make Paapi shut up and not ruin the surprise. There were not other motives on his point. He is for sure going to go off tomorrow when Paapi hurts Sai. Sai is the only one who matters to him now.


Yes he distanced Pakhi many times and made his intentions clear. But again by doing the physical thing he makes things worse not only for his hardcore critics but also for us who love him and understand his feelings for Sai. It leaves a bitter taste though we are ready to let it go and ignore. I wish he desist from giving wrong signals by doing such things. Thank god Sai did not see Otherwise her whole birthday mood would have been spoilt for sure. Small mercies..
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: tptwi


Yes. That is what I am waiting for too. I cannot wait for that scene. A part of me is more excited for that scene than the birthday sequence. I really hope Vankar does not let us down this time.

I am unfortunately not too optimistic. 😢

In KD Sai fell far away from the spot after being pushed. It was obvious that pp wasnt just freeing her hand but "pushed" away Sai deliberately to make her fall and hurt her but the precap here in ghkkpm does not look like that. It looks more "accidental" than KD.

In KD virat actually i think even says that as an argument that I'm not stupid enough to believe that sai landed up on this spot from an "accidental" thing so far from the bed where you were and rather this was a deliberate push by you.

So thats why i am worried virat may be milder because he will actually see that maybe it was " accidental" and not a deliberate attempt to push and hurt her.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: nethraa_99

The issue is not about debating Virat, but about what the writers are trying to convey

During the KKHH moment ....I was pissed but didn't give it any importance. But when it is happening again, I'm disconcerted. Is there something writers are trying to show us - as much as it defies logic? As much as we can see Virat loves Sai? Can be brush the KKHH moment to be just Vankar's creativity? Or are they actually trying to hint that Virat still subconsciously enjoys Pakhi's attention? I don't know what to make of the poor writing - why include it if it was not supposed to convey anything? Once is mistake but twice?

Writing is everything - it can convey a message that they did not intend. Or it can be that they are indeed trying to hint at an obnoxious idea. Either way, bad, bad job.


Yes but the writing in this show has no value at all. Like I'm dead serious. They say things and do things and come back to KD and then become Ghajini about everything........it's all useless 😆


Virat's POV is very clear to me so I never question it. Nothing he does is with malice but it's more to keep things peaceful. For me today was an editing issue but our editors are always pretty useless so I'm letting it go.......overthinking with Ghum is never a great idea. Vanku's love for Paapi is never-ending you just have to cut your losses at the end 😳

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: nethraa_99

The issue is not about debating Virat, but about what the writers are trying to convey

During the KKHH moment ....I was pissed but didn't give it any importance. But when it is happening again, I'm disconcerted. Is there something writers are trying to show us - as much as it defies logic? As much as we can see Virat loves Sai? Can be brush the KKHH moment to be just Vankar's creativity? Or are they actually trying to hint that Virat still subconsciously enjoys Pakhi's attention? I don't know what to make of the poor writing - why include it if it was not supposed to convey anything? Once is mistake but twice?

Writing is everything - it can convey a message that they did not intend. Or it can be that they are indeed trying to hint at an obnoxious idea. Either way, bad, bad job.


I am with you on this. They need to up their game in all aspects, not just the writing. This was my problem with the stage hug/Paapi interruption too. People were attributing it to bad editing and saying that Virat ended the hug because he saw Ajinkya and was brought back to reality- and after watching the scene upwards of 20 times, I agree with that perspective now. BUT, the point is, that the editing should not have given us the impression that he ended the hug because of Paapi to begin with.


I really do not believe that they are hinting that Virat subconsciously enjoys Paapi's attention- otherwise, why would they give us all of those scenes of him avoiding her, making disgusted faces at her, and giving monologues that he only cares about Sai? Moreover, his actions show that Sai is the only woman in his life now.


The truth is that Vankar has always had an obsession with Paapi from the beginning of the show. So, while I too, am frustrated like you, I don't want to dwell on these moments, because it will drive me mad.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: DeePiku


Yes but the writing in this show has no value at all. Like I'm dead serious. They say things and do things and come back to KD and then become Ghajini about everything........it's all useless 😆


Virat's POV is very clear to me so I never question it. Nothing he does is with malice but it's more to keep things peaceful. For me today was an editing issue but our editors are always pretty useless so I'm letting it go.......overthinking with Ghum is never a great idea. Vanku's love for Paapi is never-ending you just have to cut your losses at the end 😳


100% agree. I truly believe that Virat had no motive other than to keep Sai's birthday a surprise and shut Paapi up. I did not like witnessing the hand holding either, but at this point, there is no use in getting hung up over it.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Yes he distanced Pakhi many times and made his intentions clear. But again by doing the physical thing he makes things worse not only for his hardcore critics but also for us who love him and understand his feelings for Sai. It leaves a bitter taste though we are ready to let it go and ignore. I wish he desist from giving wrong signals by doing such things. Thank god Sai did not see Otherwise her whole birthday mood would have been spoilt for sure. Small mercies..


I am with you about the bitter taste yaar. I really was not happy to see that scene in the episode. But, like you said, I think we just have to ignore it. These writers are really sloppy and I don't even think they consider the implications of moments like this.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: nethraa_99

The issue is not about debating Virat, but about what the writers are trying to convey

During the KKHH moment ....I was pissed but didn't give it any importance. But when it is happening again, I'm disconcerted. Is there something writers are trying to show us - as much as it defies logic? As much as we can see Virat loves Sai? Can be brush the KKHH moment to be just Vankar's creativity? Or are they actually trying to hint that Virat still subconsciously enjoys Pakhi's attention? I don't know what to make of the poor writing - why include it if it was not supposed to convey anything? Once is mistake but twice?

Writing is everything - it can convey a message that they did not intend. Or it can be that they are indeed trying to hint at an obnoxious idea. Either way, bad, bad job.

Exactly. What is the purpose of these scenes from makers standpoint. I mean if the intention is to ahow that pp is so "affected" even by the most trivial physical contact of hands touching etc.- what purpose does that serve? I mean we can already see how crazy delusional, obsessive, vile and stupid she is. So the hand hold is not telling us something we dont already know about pp. But it makes Virat look like he is swept away in his emotions. The way they established Virat- A guy like Virat who measures his every word and action SO carefully except when he is with Sai, aai n Sunny would never even in impulse hold pp's hand in this situation.

So more than Virats intention, my frustration is with what is it that makers are trying to convey?! Other than pissing off the audience its not doing much. 🙄

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nja91

I am unfortunately not too optimistic. 😢

In KD Sai fell far away from the spot after being pushed. It was obvious that pp wasnt just freeing her hand but "pushed" away Sai deliberately to make her fall and hurt her but the precap here in ghkkpm does not look like that. It looks more "accidental" than KD.

In KD virat actually i think even says that as an argument that I'm not stupid enough to believe that sai landed up on this spot from an "accidental" thing so far from the bed where you were and rather this was a deliberate push by you.

So thats why i am worried virat may be milder because he will actually see that maybe it was " accidental" and not a deliberate attempt to push and hurt her.


For this, I am going to wait and watch. Last week's SaiRat fight post-college fest was one of my favorite episodes till date, and I kept telling everyone to wait to see what actually happens before judging based on the "guardian" dialogue in the precap.

As they have developed Virat's character thus far, and the Virat we have been seeing- he cannot see Sai in pain AT ALL. This is the same man who freaking out when he thought Sai's back was hurting when she was posing for the photo 🤣

So, I have hope that he will freaking destroy Paapi, because anything else would be out of character. Anyways, let's wait and watch.

This is Ghum, so we always have to be prepared to be let down.

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