Are they serious? Time to up their game!!

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Please do not read this post if you are not up for another rant or if you cannot take any characters being criticised. I seldom make posts to vent out my anger on characters and I don't want to stop myself from writing one after such a horrible episode.

I request everyone to keep the discussion a healthy one.


Welcome to my rant. Just like many of you, I hated the episode. What were they even thinking that they are showing? They whitewash such crimes by doing all these? I am questioning myself as why am I even watching this and if I should even continue to watch this. Am I supposed to erase whatever happened in the past just like how the leads of the show did? The show has been disappointing in many ways but even then many of us are stuck to it due to the leads of the show, to watch how their story unravels, to enjoy their chemistry which we get once in a while reminding us that it does belong to Romance genre. I am sure many would have quit watching if not for the forum.

I started to watch it for Sairat and then we were given back to back toxic family episodes which revolved around the pair, which brought them close and also made them part ways. We were introduced to a lot of characters and tracks. It was only fair to give a meaningful closure to these tracks especially when we were subjected to months and months of torture in these tracks.

There were a few characters with whom we all got attached to along with the lead characters like Kamal Joshi, Ashwini and Devi. Other positive characters had a cameo appearance and we didn't connect with them as much as these characters. Amongst all of these supporting characters, Devi Tai was a character people adored, people sympathised and a character whose past audience were curious about.

We were shown how rude her own mother would be to this girl who was mentally imbalanced, who would keep sending away to her room quite often without letting her stay with everyone for a long time, who was also drugged with medicines which weren't supposed to be even given to her but was given to put her to sleep so that she doesn't reveal any truth from her past.

Apart from the scenes of the leads, we all loved the scenes between the FL Sai and her saas Ashwini or the ML Virat with his mom and I think that the pair was Sai and Devi has always been an adorable one.

The girl Devi though was always shown as mentally imbalanced, could identify as who was good and who was bad. She had the sense of right and wrong and also had guts to speak out or call out when something goes wrong much more than people who were hale and healthy. The girl was always shushed and sent back to her room to be speaking the truth but that did not even stop her given how weak she was because she was dependent on these people at the end of the day.

They start a track that shows how the girl opens up to Sai, sharing her about her husband whom most of the people of the house used to think as an imaginary one.

The makers did such a good job by showing us how the girl shares about her having a baby, they slowly introduced us to another spineless character who though was spineless but was loyal and who really loves his wife. They did such a good job by showing us how the girl shares her worries, her fear of getting harmed by her mother and Kaka, shares about her fear that her husband would also be harmed by them. They showed how Sai uncovers the truth through the clues that she gets including the truth that she is getting drugged with wrong medicines. It is only fair to expect that this girl is given justice, that this track gets a proper closure. Even if they cannot be jailed because it is ITV or fiction or anything, was it even necessary to whitewash the mother of the girl by giving her a few dialogues like

"Beti ka takleef dekhkar mujhe bahut dukh hota hai" or

"Uska ek ek aansoon mera dil cheer deta hai"? Seriously? Why didn't we ever feel these then all through the 200 episodes? If this was the plan, if this is how they planned to end all of this, why couldn't they show us this kind of feelings in the character Bhavani Nagesh Chavan from the start of the show till now? Why are we shoved such dialogues to accept that she is a mom who was crying inside but was wearing a facade to protect "Khandaan ka naam"? It is absolutely ridiculous.


The kidnapping track was brought in due to the absence of actors and we all realised that they couldn't blend it with their original version, they couldn't give a closure to that track since they started with their copy paste again. Many of us had lost hopes long long back about that. I have never had any hopes that the truth of Sangeetha Deshpande will be revealed. The kidnapping track could have been easily forgotten if they had not made a character who is going to play a vital role in the future of the leads.


Pulkit, the character would be with the couple during a lot of their important moments and decisions. They never showed him this spineless in other versions because he wasn't the one who would ask for help from the character who played the role of Sai to bring his dulhan to the mandap. Not only did they butcher this character, they butchered the main lead of the show Sai, who was always loved for speaking the truth.

They brought in some stupid kasam that the guy gives making the character Sai hide truths from her husband and her saas Ashwini whom she loves like her own mother. There was some reason if not entirely valid in other versions which forced the FL to help Devi elope and get married with her husband, her lost love again. And by bringing up a kidnapping track, by making Pulkit give the responsibility to Sai of bringing his dulhan to mandap, they butchered these characters too. Even if we ignore this whole thing as a character butchering, it is very difficult to accept Pulkit as a guy who will be helping Sai and Virat in future. How can we? They have made him so spineless and dependent on Sai that he resorted to take the help of Sai when his own daughter is not able to accept his mother. Being a doctor himself, does he not know how to handle this situation? Does he know that he can go for a therapy or look for a professional help who could help Harini accept Devi?

And we are supposed to see this character who is dependent on Sai for solving every single problem of his life, solving Sai and Virat's problems? Can't they not think at all?


There was a reason why I even started to watch the show. The promo spoke about a police officer who valued the waada given to another police officer who was dying and choosing his farz over the waada that he gave to the love of his life.


“Ek police officer ke liye uske vachan se badkar Kuch nahi hota” “apne farz ke khatir mujhe ek aur vachan nibhana pada".


First of all, it does not even look like she was is his love. Even if it was supposed to be that way, meant to be that way, they should have established their past, their story in a believable way, in a way that people can really feel how they had to sacrifice their love. Almost the whole forum makes fun of their so called love story since it lasted for not even 2 days. They could have given a better background, should have showed something realistic for people to be able to understand why Virat trusts his ex so much, to be able to understand what makes him sympathise his ex or what is making him act so guilty. They show us a story which wasn't even as strong as Samrat's love towards Patralekha, his feelings towards her seemed to be stronger than the feelings of Virat and Pakhi for each other. Samrat was not just smitten by Patralekha, but he genuinely cared about her wishes, her consent even before he married her. If the intent was to show that Virat had a past to whom he had given a waada, a past whom he sympathises with, a past for whom he is feeling guilty, they should have shown a proper story of these two. They meet at a yoga resort, show us that they get attracted to each other, fall for each other and before one could confess his feelings to the other, they even part ways. Everything else was only about the ML harboring those feelings for the girl whom he met, excited to meet her again, to confess his feelings because when he was thinking about her, she had already ended her relationship with him because of a misunderstanding. By the time he had found her, she was a soon to be bride of his own brother. Even if one felt sorry for the two, especially for the girl whom he had refused to accept for his brother's happiness, they turned her into a person who was willing to destroy a guy's life just so that she stays close to the person whom she had feelings for. How can one sympathise for a character who married such a genuine and good guy with such a motive? Even if we can call that to be a moment of weakness, a stupidity, foolishness, she had destroyed another guy's life and that cannot be denied. Also every single subsequent vile action of hers only kept making her a negative person day by day. She is not a person one can empathise with when she doesn't even care about what she was doing even if someone showed her a mirror or even if someone kept giving her lessons or kept trying to make her realise. They better stop making her act vile, if not it is going to be very difficult to even watch the future tracks of her and Samrat.


They then show us the person who gave her the waaada taking up the responsibility of a girl out of farz by marrying her. It is then showed that this guy falls in love with his wife.


What kind of love? I am still wondering as what kind of love is this when he can keep watching his wife getting humiliated again and again. What kind of love is this when his blood doesn't boil when someone calls her names or abuses her. What kind of love is this where he acts in extremes with her but who lets his family walk away doing any crime? What kind of love is this when he has got a double standard behavior. He is a hypocrite who calls his wife a family but cannot treat her like one. No amount of justifications are good enough for him to have deprived her of food, to have reminded her the money that he loaned to be his, to have apologised for these actions and again deprive her of shelter.

Does his vocal cord work only work for his wife whom he keeps claiming that he loves? I am failing to understand this now.


What kind of story am I then watching? There is no justice shown to crimes committed and even the love story looks ridiculous. Is is for this guy that the girl should realise her feelings and stay back? Is it for this guy that she should live with him so that she keeps getting humiliated for him to be standing like a mute spectator in the future?

He is a police officer who doesn't have any curiosity, has no alertness, has no intuitions, can't even connect dots to understand what is happening, a guy who has been failing to understand the feelings or motives of his ex who has been showing him more than enough signs for anyone to understand the motives and who can't even give justice to his sister whose mental health got deteriorated due to his own family.

This guy fails to understand the feelings of his ex who keeps making advances on him almost everyday but is expecting that his wife(to whom he had set conditions to get married as to not think of him as her husband since he has got a prior commitment) to understand his changed feelings.

The guy does not know to open his mouth to stand up for his mother or wife, he does not know to open his mouth or take required measures to let his ex know to not cross her line and he also does not know how to express his feelings to his wife. What is the need to cry all the time expecting her to understand? Instead why cannot he tell her that he loves her.


Actions speaks louder. Him telling to himself numerous times that he loves his wife doesn't mean anything, they need to show us that he indeed loves her. It looks as if whatever he had done so far was like him fulfilling his responsibilities because he was a kind and generous person. If he loves her, he wouldn't be watching his ex humiliating her like this, forget even his family. They can't show him look like such a weak character and there cannot always be an excuse for him to remain silent when people are hurling insults at his wife or mom. They can't show him feeling guilty and go back acting calm and polite with his ex who has clearly communicated that she has feelings for him, expecting him too to reciprocate.

All we want is to see a Virat who acted indifferent with his family and his ex after he returned from Gadchirolli. Doesn't it make sense for him to be behaving that way? People were more than happy even if he did that and not yell at them or punish them like how he had punished his wife Sai.

After, whatever the family has done to Devi Tai (his sister whom he always says he loves a lot, for whose safety and protection he fought with Pulkit and Sai), after the truth of the past is revealed to him, how will the audience even like if he acts with these people as if nothing happened at all?

After all this, the guy tries to convince and plead his ex to be a part of the skit, the skit which is organised for his niece, his sister's daughter, that sister whom his ex had not thought about while she cooperated with his Kaku to hide the truth about her past? That ex who had kept defending his Kaku and justifying her actions as "Ghar ki maryaada bachane ke liye"? Will someone not be angry that a young, educated and lady with modern thoughts did not think that whatever his Kaku had done was wrong and instead of siding with him and Sai, was siding with people who were responsible for his sister's condition to be like this? Whatever be the reasons, no sane person would be talking to their ex after being well aware of what they feel about them and what they are expecting out of them.


It is a pity that they have turned a good character who sounded was strong, bold, honest, compassionate, kind, generous, intelligent and smart into a weak looking character who lacks alertness, lacks compassion, lacks strength to stand up for his loved ones and also lacks intelligence in performing the right investigation.


The lead is a police officer, not some random guy who will keep getting emotional for everything, who will have no control over his emotions, the whole story was supposed to be revolving around him, why make him such a weak character? The makers should atleast ensure that he acts like an IPS officer, the first few episodes and his personality or individuality at GC doesn't match with whatever he looks now. Just by showing him acting brave and taking a bullet in a mission is not going to create an image that he is a jaanbaaz police officer. Makers have to remember while executing the plot that he is an IPS officer.

The makers should have focussed on keeping the character traits intact and not spoil it like this.


Let's come back to the latest 2 episodes.


They all act become a hum saath saath hain family as paschyathaap to a paap? After all the toxicity that we have watched for a little more than 200 episodes, they show us this? They give this kind of an ending to a track which has been running for the past 4 months? Unbelievable.


In just 2 episodes they expose what Kaku and her gang did to Devi and a new born baby. They show an old army officer raising hands on his wife because she asked something that everyone in the family should have asked. We get to see just hurt and disappointment from the ghar ka chirag who also is supposed to be a dutiful police officer.

He says

"Galti nahi paap hai aur iss paap ka praayaschit hum sabko milkar karna hoga.

Harni ko nanihaal ka pyaar dena hoga.

Ehsaas dilaana hoga ki uska itna bada parivaar hai jo usse pyaar karta hai.

Harini ka bday Chavan parivaar ke saath manaya jayega"

Like really? This is what he thinks it takes to correct their actions? He will let go off whatever they had done if they accept that girl, if the girl is given such a big family who has not even whole heartedly accepted the girl and her father.


We see an insaaf pasand girl trying to convince her husband's Kaku to accept a girl whom she had given away to an orphanage without any mercy to save the honour of the house “Izzat of Chavan parivaar”.


Virat, as a character gets carried away by emotions, he forgives people and gives them a chance to correct themselves. Even though I didn't like him letting whatever his family did as if it wasn't a big thing at all, didn't like him thinking that the only way to give justice to his sister and her family was by making his family accept their granddaughter, I can understand that his way of dealing with things, also it is his family too, it comes across as his emotions are his weakness. That is his mentality, but when he suggested this, is it necessary for a girl like Sai who always stands by the truth to cooperate with him and help him unite a 10 year old girl with people who gave away the girl to an orphanage, who separated the girl from her mother for 10 years?

I thought Virat liked Sai for being a insaafpasand girl, audience likes her for this reason, what happened to it?

"Kharbooja kharbooja ko dekhke rang badalta hai" doesn't mean that a person give up on their principles too. She can learn good things from him and he too can learn good things from him. Both can even pick up some wrong habits from each other, but cannot lose their individuality. Just because she have feelings for this man, her thinking "Harini kr maama hone ke naathe itna toh woh kar ho sakthe hain" doesn't make sense especially due to the nature of the crime the family committed.

Why are the makers butchering the character Sai as if she is learning these traits from Virat to let go of people who has made mistakes or giving them a chance? She is a very strong person who would seek for justice no matter what.

"Mere saamne kisi ke saath bhi naainsaafi hote hue dekh nahi sakthi hoon" is what she had once said, I think after the Mohit's food incident. Then why did they let her be a part of this whitewashing?


The makers give her so many good dialogues as below

'Dimaagi haalat kharab hui kyunki aapne Pulkit aur unki beti ko unse cheen liya tha"

"Galti nahi hai, gunaah hai, galti toh anjaane mein hoti hai"

She even stops a senseless and a stone hearted woman to come in between a son and his family at the right time

"Pakhi did aap beech mein mat aayiye, Virat sir sahi keh rahe hain"


But also says

"Jaane anjaane mein Tai ki yeh haalat aapne banayi hai Kaku aur unki beti unko sweekar karne se inkaar kar rahi hai uski zimmedaar aap hi hain Kaku. Aur aap jaanthi hai ki jab ek beti apni maa ko sweekar karne se inkaar kar de toh us maa ki dil par kya bitthi hai

Tai ke saath aisa hone se rokna hai"


How is it jaane anjaane mein? Wow 😲. What a way to brush Kaku's crimes under the carpet. I have to give this to the makers.

"Sai ka pati Sai ka jaise hote ja raha hai aur Virat ki patni Virat ke jaisa." 😡

Is she asking this lady who has always never cared and only made faces whenever her daughter used to call her Gandi Aai? The same person who has only scolded her daughter and asked someone to take her away because she was trying to speak the truth?

And how are they going to get a 10 year old daughter to accept her mother?

"Isiliye Virat sir Hatlrini ka bday Chavan parivaar ke saath manana chahthe hain"

Like seriously?

The insaaf pasand girl will convince the so called “tyaag ki moorti” (who felt that “khaandaan ki izzat”/"parivaar ki maryaada" was more important that her own jeethi jaathi daughter and a new born baby) to attend the birthday party of the same girl whom she had called as “Ganda khoon” forgetting or forgiving the act as “naatin ko apna lijiye"?


Why is Sai even begging her to be a part of the birthday party? Is she not the same girl who had once thought that Virat should do all the rasams only if he felt like doing or attending? Didnt she say "jis baat ke liye aapka dil nahi maanta, woh aap kyun kar rahe hain"?

Why is she now not thinking that they hate the father and the girl, doesn't want to accept them, what is the point in even convincing them or forcing them to be a part of the birthday party of the same girl whom Kaku hates or doesn't even want to meet?

I wrote in another post yesterday, love is making them act stupid. He acts in extemes due to his love (doesn’t justify his behavior) for her and she is also doing the same by acting out of character. Just because he wished to celebrate his niece along with his entire family, she shouldn't do something that she would never approve of, in general.


Why is it important for the family to be a part of this party? Virat didn't know about their truth before this encounter, what did he do after the truth was revealed in front out him? Why does he think that the girl needs a family like this? Why or how is the solution to the problem of Harini and Devi? Where is the rage that he had when he came to know Sai was getting Devi married to a wrong guy? It wasn’t a rage of just a husband who felt let down by his wife, it was also due to the concern for his sister. He can snatch the roof away from a girl thinking she ruined his sister’s life but will think that the way to wash all the sins of rectify their crimes made by the ‘dil ke acche’ log of his family by making them accept his niece?


Please show something believable guys. We can always bear in mind that we shouldn't be expecting logic, but this is not just about logic, it is dimaag ki dhajjiyaan udana of the audience. We need to be able to connect to atleast the leads of the show if not for all the characters of the show. They could have given it a thought as how all these would come across.


"Ilzaam nahi laga rage hain sirf sach se roobaroo kara rahe hain. Aapke kuch faisle ne kayi zindagi ko barbaad kar di hai aapko bhi yoh nazar aati hogi."

They keep giving dialogues and dialogues like this which keeps showing us how the lady had destroyed the lives of 3 people and they also add some sweet and regretful mouth from the same person as below which would melt out hearts?


"Maine kabhi nahi chaha ki meri beti ko koi takleef ho"


And just like Virat's relief and smile and happiness on Sai's face and Ashwini's face, did they expect audience also to smile and get relieved? Am I supposed to say "Yes Yes, I knew it", she always loved her daughter ?


"Meri beti ko apnaya hai aur ab main sirf apni beti ko khush dekhna chahthi hoon. Agar tum logon ko lagta hai ki is plan se meri beti khush ho jayegi main janamdin mein shaamil hone ke liye tayyar hoon"


Which log? Sai and Virat? For the first time, the look of relief or happiness on their faces didn't please me, the look of Sonali, Karishma, Ninad and Omi pleased me. It is the expression of the audience who watched this nonsense. It is an expression of shock, disbelief, disappointment and anger towards the makers, and the characters Sai and Virat.


Was it so important for these people to be a part of the birthday party? Is it much more important task than seeking justice? Neither the brother who is also a police officer is looking at the whole thing as a crime nor the girl to whom honesty and truths mattered the most is looking at it as a crime. They have both just used words like yeh galti nahi hai PAAP, Gunaah hai and accuse Kaku and her devars for an heinous crimes and let it go.


What I have understood after all this is that they want all of us to watch anything that they give. It looks like they are conveying that watch it if you like otherwise don't, we are not going to worry about characterization, it can keep changing as and when the story progresses and depending on the copy paste tracks. It doesn't matter as what you think about the lead characters, what qualities you like in them, we will butcher them whenever we want.

This is the first forum that I am a part of while watching a show. I feel that as and when I comment about something or analyse a character, I was getting more attached to the characters and the show too. I didn't feel this let down by a show or lead characters as I am feeling now when I was just watching a show and was not part of a forum. I used to skip watching a few toxic tracks or skip watching a few episodes and continue watching from something good as if the story had just begun. Whereas in Ghum, the story started for me from Gadchirolli and I am not able to move past it even if I skip some episodes. The characters and their qualities are etched so much in my mind that any down hill in one of the characters is such a big let down for me. I am sure many of you are feeling the same way, let down and disappointed. I don't even know if it is worth anymore to analyse the characters or the plot, if it is worth to support or defend these characters until the makers don't pay heed to the sentiments/expectations of the audience who helped them reach their show to this level (be it online audience or TRP audience).

Lastly, I know and have understood that it would be good for our own sake to turn blind eyes to all the nonsense and just watch the show without having any expectations from the makers or the characters. I hope I don't get enthusiastic in analysing these characters again.

It is time for the makers to revive the characters, up their game so that people do not lose interest in the show. It is time for them to come up with their own plots than sticking to copy paste. Even if they plan to stick to copy paste, copy paste only those which will continue to make Virat look as Virat and Sai as Sai. The way they execute the plots also can make a huge difference. They should always remember that their Male Lead is a police officer and Female Lead is an aspiring doctor. Also, their love story should look like a love story, not a story where people keep questioning whether they deserve each other or if they should live with each other. It was executed so well all along and they have been butchering the characters so much that people are not able to relate to the characters anymore, audience is losing that connection with the leads. I always wanted Sairat, they should work on strengthening their relationship, their bond. That can only happen when they strengthen the characters and present us with justifiable emotions/behavior/actions from these characters.


Phew, feel a little bit better now 🤣. I know, has turned out to be really really lengthy 😳.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Laksh, ithna bada rant... Lagtha hai sari kasar nikaldiya aap be, starting se .. I have nothing to say much.... But especially after yesterday episode I felt sai is not different from other ITV FL leads who punish the outsiders but when coming to family they will give Mafi... As you said virat ka tho expected tha but sai saying " jaane anjane " is like what the heck... Really... ??? For a moment even if we think Kaku did what she did 10 years back because she thought pulkit is bad guy... But what justify separating daughter from mother .... Treating Devi as a animal for 10 years... And how the hell all this is jaane anjane mei.... Frankly speaking Kal ke baadh I totally lost the interest... And I really don't like papi playing Tai also, no no not because I hate her but how can they involve a lady who supported Kaku for what she did to Tai to play Tai, can she even understand what Tai feels, like really.... 🤔 ise lagraha hai that people we are watching are mad.... And sabse badi baadth in Thursday episode when all this harini truth revel is going on, there is scroll going on at bottom of the screen saying " this story is kalpanik and all" that means CVS know that this is very big and hedious crime and male lead is IPS and fL is satyavadhi ( till before this track , I used to treat them as power couple - means Generally in ITV either of the couple is ferious but yaha tho both Sai and virat are like lioness and lion) even then this crime has been treated or whitewashed as if they are discussing about missed flight or lost ornament

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Originally posted by: Saichintalli

Laksh, ithna bada rant... Lagtha hai sari kasar nikaldiya aap be, starting se .

Yeah 🤣

Come on, how difficult it is to give us some good content 😒. All of us are watching the show for a reason and it is as if they are least interested about their audience. Like kuch bhi?


. I have nothing to say much.... But especially after yesterday episode I felt sai is not different from other ITV FL leads who punish the outsiders but when coming to family they will give Mafi... As you said virat ka tho expected tha but sai saying " jaane anjane " is like what the heck... Really... ??? For a moment even if we think Kaku did what she did 10 years back because she thought pulkit is bad guy... But what justify separating daughter from mother .... Treating Devi as a animal for 10 years... And how the hell all this is jaane anjane mei.... Frankly speaking Kal ke baadh I totally lost the interest...

Me too, I had no hopes from them after Friday’s episode especially from Virat. And on Saturday’s episode given likes like this to Sai. It isn’t fitting in at all. They keep butchering Sai and Virat. She was a fierce honest girl who was always strong, he has come out as a weak one when we compare the both, why couldn’t they retain her character trait?


And I really don't like papi playing Tai also, no no not because I hate her but how can they involve a lady who supported Kaku for what she did to Tai to play Tai, can she even understand what Tai feels, like really.... 🤔 ise lagraha hai that people we are watching are mad....

forget that, even in yesterday’s episode she kept justifying Kaku yaar 😲. She even tried to speak to Virat when he had stopped his Dad, what does that even mean? It was not like she was stopping him from stopping his Dad, but was that even a time to open her mouth? And she is making Kaku look like a mahaan 😡. Why such shallow thoughts?


And sabse badi baadth in Thursday episode when all this harini truth revel is going on, there is scroll going on at bottom of the screen saying " this story is kalpanik and all" that means CVS know that this is very big and hedious crime and male lead is IPS and fL is satyavadhi ( till before this track , I used to treat them as power couple - means Generally in ITV either of the couple is ferious but yaha tho both Sai and virat are like lioness and lion) even then this crime has been treated or whitewashed as if they are discussing about missed flight or lost ornament

Too much, they are rushing the episodes, want to skip to the waada breaking track 🤦‍♀️

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Have stopped thinking, expecting and hoping. 😳

The day Virat let Omi get off scot free, I have stopped expecting anything from him. Seriously I am only enjoying him as Virat not seeing him as the IPS officer anymore. The IPS officer from GC was way different than the one from Nagpur.

I am also disappointed by Sai. She is also ok with Kaku and her gang's criminal activities. She called it as galti.

Bhar mein jaaye IPS, bhar mein jaaye doctor... enjoy only SaiRat. 😡 I am saying this but I will be the first one bashing and ranting in my posts. 🤣

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Originally posted by: MuguetDScorpion

Have stopped thinking, expecting and hoping. 😳

The day Virat let Omi get off scot free, I have stopped expecting anything from him. Seriously I am only enjoying him as Virat not seeing him as the IPS officer anymore. The IPS officer from GC was way different than the one from Nagpur.

I am also disappointed by Sai. She is also ok with Kaku and her gang's criminal activities. She called it as galti.

Bhar mein jaaye IPS, bhar mein jaaye doctor... enjoy only SaiRat. 😡 I am saying this but I will be the first one bashing and ranting in my posts. 🤣

True, but I didn’t expect anything else from a Virat who didn’t rush to find Sai but instead landed at Pulkit’s house and his house later. Shouldn’t he have rushed to find her whereabouts? Can’t he have tried to trace her number?

So when he returned home, I didn’t have any expectations from him. Btw I couldn’t even watch letting him go of his Kaka 😡.

I am not even able to enjoy him as Virat anymore 😒. His romantic gestures can look nice but is not impressive when he fails in so many aspects as a husband. The way he talks to Pakhi is another let down, why can’t he be indifferent towards her if not for harsh/rude?

IPS? They have let us down big time.

Sai also disappointed me a lot, as much as how fierce she was when she fought with Kaku, she let it go with words like that 😒. Highly disappointing. Who cares whether they were a team or not, this wasn’t right. It was their first task together if I am right and so much of compromise on their moral values?


@bold woh toh hota rahega 🤣. What else can we do when we are not able to stop watching the show. Acche se sunao, ek baar post mein aur baar baar sabke comments par reply karte waqt 🤣🤣.


FFs are the only best things, we get to see what the makers can’t show us 😡.

I should seriously continue my ffs and continue to keep them as Virat and Sai that we have always known as 😔 and also so that I stop bashing them 🤣🤣. It helped me earlier and stopped me from writing posts to rant 🤣.

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Saare expectations toot chuke hai. Donon leads ko kaafi butcer kiya hai. Logic toh hai nahi.

Now i will only watch for Sairat scenes and didi beizzati and if those scenes are not good enough then gradually will likely stop watching. I'm still hoping that atleast Sairat scenes leading up to confession will be decent like they have until now.

In between all the nonsense spewed the only good moment in the recent episode was how Virat said Sai always supports the truth and cares about the family and the tender look he gives her before the unceremonious interruption by pp.

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Originally posted by: Nja91

Saare expectations toot chuke hai. Donon leads ko kaafi butcer kiya hai. Logic toh hai nahi.

Now i will only watch for Sairat scenes and didi beizzati and if those scenes are not good enough then gradually will likely stop watching. I'm still hoping that atleast Sairat scenes leading up to confession will be decent like they have until now.

In between all the nonsense spewed the only good moment in the recent episode was how Virat said Sai always supports the truth and cares about the family and the tender look he gives her before the unceremonious interruption by pp.

@ bold... And virat standing up for aai also, I know so many people didn't like that scene but I liked it, I liked his expression and the way he said sochna bhi maath.... Because as per shivani bua it's same virat who is not used to say even a single word against his father is now standing infront of him eye to eye... And warning him sochna bhi maath

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It's alright to rant. My blood is still boiling. Devyani's past was chilling and disturbing. How dare the makers trivialize such a grave crime? It happens in urban, middle class families and it is not a a fodder for drama. What has the maker's education taught them? If you cannot handle such serious issues, simple - don't include them. Or change them.


Bhavani - Like you said, all of a sudden she was sad to see her daughter in takleef. Never mind that we did not see even basic empathy for Devyani for 200 episodes, she was wrongly given sedatives, and the same mother did not really bother about her daughter's safety after DevKit wedding and was infact rejoicing over Sai's ousting. If we question the makers with such logic, they will start explaining about onions & layers and the 50 shades of grey of Bhavani.


Virat - The most infuriating part is they constantly pull the standards for Virat down - and we compromise - we try to explain (not justify) his actions (& his flaws) using psychology and what not - only for his character to be pulled down even more.

As I have been saying, I find Virat's redemption to be incomplete. The repentance was genuine but it was based on whether Sai was right or wrong. No matter how badly I wanted him to introspect on his reactions independent of Sai's actions (because they were inhuman), I resigned myself to never seeing it being addressed. Nor were we likely to see an emotional conversation between SaiRat regarding the same - everything was to be covered up with romance. I also accepted that even though these things were never explicitly shown, we have to assume that lessons were learnt from the subtext of the scenes that were shown (courtesy: @nja91)

Regarding his return from GC, like you, all I wanted was for him to be distant, aloof from his family. He was like that for about 2 episodes and then he suffered amnesia. I was not even looking for a 180 deg changed Virat who will always jump in to defend his wife - old habits die hard. He took baby steps - in being firm with his elders that Sai is his wife and she always speaks the truth, unlike previously he didn't stop/scold Sai for defending herself, he seemed to be learning to trust Sai more than his family. I was happy with these few steps and hoped for things to improve with time. But within two days, he was again cordial and nice to his elders, as if nothing happened. Virat genuinely believed that his ghar-ke-bade cared about him. After realising that they were happy about Sai's ousting (not caring about how it broke their 'chaheeta beta'), he didn't feel a sense of betrayal, sadness, resentment? Is he a human or an alien?

Coming to the latest episode. Call it Virat's nature or unwritten rules of ITV, I didn't expect Virat to put his family behind bars. We know that Virat is weak when it comes to dealing with his family, but this particular crime was too much for even someone like him. Virat is supposed to be sensitive, moralistic, caring and intelligent. Where was his sense of outrage, disillusionment, pain, anger? Where was his moral dilemma on the appropriate thing to do? Did he not feel so sick in the stomach that he wanted to cut ties with all of them? Move out of CN? It is obvious that comparison will be made with his aggressive reaction against Sai - who did not even do a millionth of what his family has done. It only shows him in poor light - of being shallow, insecure and abusive. And seriously, he wants Harini to know that she has a large family that "loves" her? Which love is he talking about? The one that separates a baby from the the mother thorough deceit and abandons it in an orphanage - to be left to a grim possibility of abuse, trafficking?

His skill of simple deductions is abysmal. He knows that Omi planted the fake document, Bhavani's version of the truth about Devyani was a lie, and that Pakhi knew the truth. It didn't strike him that despite being part of/privy to the conspiracy, they all made Sai the villain and shamelessly instigated/ emotionally manipulated him against Sai?

I'm sure that Bhavani will be whitewashed even further - using some tear-jerking flashback. I don't know about others, but I always considered Virat to have had a toxic upbringing and I consider that to be an important part of his characterization. Some of his bad attributes - his escapist attitude, his tendency to look the other way when other family members (including his mother) are treated badly, his blind belief in his family - seemed to stem from a survival mechanism developed to survive a dysfunctional, traumatic environment. If Bhavani is going to be made into a decent woman, Virat's characterization suffers because it becomes no longer relatable. Having a bunch of loud, crass, idiotic relatives can be difficult for anyone to handle (people who have lived in joint families might know) - Virat being extremely diplomatic makes sense. But the flaws that I pointed out are big enough to be consistent ONLY with a dysfunctional upbringing.


Sai - Such a disappointment. As if not satisfied with butchering Virat, they are on their way to butchering Sai. The girl who always stood for justice did speak strongly against Bhavani but all those words lost meaning when she conceded Bhavani's crime to be unintentional after witnessing her crocodile tears. Both Sai and Virat decided that attending a stupid birthday part was a good enough "pashyatap" for such a heinous crime. The writers even had the audacity to try to manipulate audience by making Karishma say that if Pulkit anyway got Harini safe & sound, what is the problem?


We become attached to the show because we spend time trying to make sense of the half-hearted content the writers throw at us.The writers are lazy and are not invested in their own story and characters. Then why should we care? Ditch this crap fest and move on.



P.S. @red - highlighted it because i somehow feel very strongly about it but don't know if I'm giving this point more importance than it actually is.

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Originally posted by: Saichintalli

@ bold... And virat standing up for aai also, I know so many people didn't like that scene but I liked it, I liked his expression and the way he said sochna bhi maath.... Because as per shivani bua it's same virat who is not used to say even a single word against his father is now standing infront of him eye to eye... And warning him sochna bhi maath

As much as I agree with laksh' rant, after discussing all this with someone I realised a few things. They may not justify everything that's wrong right now, but it's a bit more positive way to look at it.

They are showing us some progression in Virat's character. In the initial episodes he didn't speak up for Aai, he didn't say anything to CNgang for their utterly nonsense. Now he does reprimand them, like you just said. It is a slow progression, but it's there and (hopefully) it will grow in the future. Moreover it's realistic, it took someone I know 18 years to realise that she has to speak up against her father and come up for her mother and she still struggles to do it. Her upbringing wasn't even that toxic as Virat's. In the way Virat was brought up you don't question elders, so it already is a big deal for him. Although you can't justify his behaviour, somewhere it does make it more bearable to watch with this in mind.

I wanted Sai to progress as a character, but not like this, agreed. But based on real life experiences, I do somewhere understand it a little bit. I know someone who is to some extent like Kaku and that person has children. So I'm analysing a bit based on them.

People who have regressive thoughts, who are purane khayalaat ke, are usually extremely adamant when it comes to their POV. Nothing is gonna change. You may keep pointing out the faults, you may present as many arguments as you wish, you may scream daily at them it won't help. They will not realise their mistakes. It will only result in a more toxic environment, with daily quarrels. It's difficult to understand/imagine this if you don't live in such an environment or haven't witnessed it, but this is what I've seen. People living in such an environment do realise that however, and will act accordingly. And maybe it's something Sai also has realised in the time she spent in CN.

It's however necessary to point out that what they did or what they're thinking is wrong, wrong on so many levels and that you don't agree with it at all, and that's what Sai and Virat did (to some extent). You don't have many options anyway if you want to keep living with them (what Virat wants at any price).

I'm not saying that it's right, I'm only trying to see why they reacted in such way. And trying not to loose my sanity. I still fail to see why not a cold treatment? Why uniting Devi Tai and Harinee with CNgang? Why did Sai say 'anjaane me', made my blood boil. Why this rush? They could have let rest all this. Where is Virat's emotional side gone now? Tel lene? 10 years, 10 years are a lot. Losing 10 years if your life. Why is it showcased as if it's nothing? Where is Sai's 'wrong is wrong, no matter what'? Kuch aur nahi to why not showcase atleast an inner turmoil of Virat/Sai? That would make it sooo much better and more realistic too.

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Originally posted by: KJSairat

As much as I agree with laksh' rant, after discussing all this with someone I realised a few things. They may not justify everything that's wrong right now, but it's a bit more positive way to look at it.

They are showing us some progression in Virat's character. In the initial episodes he didn't speak up for Aai, he didn't say anything to CNgang for their utterly nonsense. Now he does reprimand them, like you just said. It is a slow progression, but it's there and (hopefully) it will grow in the future. Moreover it's realistic, it took someone I know 18 years to realise that she has to speak up against her father and come up for her mother and she still struggles to do it. Her upbringing wasn't even that toxic as Virat's. In the way Virat was brought up you don't question elders, so it already is a big deal for him. Although you can't justify his behaviour, somewhere it does make it more bearable to watch with this in mind.

I wanted Sai to progress as a character, but not like this, agreed. But based on real life experiences, I do somewhere understand it a little bit. I know someone who is to some extent like Kaku and that person has children. So I'm analysing a bit based on them.

People who have regressive thoughts, who are purane khayalaat ke, are usually extremely adamant when it comes to their POV. Nothing is gonna change. You may keep pointing out the faults, you may present as many arguments as you wish, you may scream daily at them it won't help. They will not realise their mistakes. It will only result in a more toxic environment, with daily quarrels. It's difficult to understand/imagine this if you don't live in such an environment or haven't witnessed it, but this is what I've seen. People living in such an environment do realise that however, and will act accordingly. And maybe it's something Sai also has realised in the time she spent in CN.

It's however necessary to point out that what they did or what they're thinking is wrong, wrong on so many levels and that you don't agree with it at all, and that's what Sai and Virat did (to some extent). You don't have many options anyway if you want to keep living with them (what Virat wants at any price).

I'm not saying that it's right, I'm only trying to see why they reacted in such way. And trying not to loose my sanity. I still fail to see why not a cold treatment? Why uniting Devi Tai and Harinee with CNgang? Why did Sai say 'anjaane me', made my blood boil. Why this rush? They could have let rest all this. Where is Virat's emotional side gone now? Tel lene? 10 years, 10 years are a lot. Losing 10 years if your life. Why is it showcased as if it's nothing? Where is Sai's 'wrong is wrong, no matter what'? Kuch aur nahi to why not showcase atleast an inner turmoil of Virat/Sai? That would make it sooo much better and more realistic too.

@ bold... This is what I fail to understand too... We can understand virat grown-up conditions and his mind set... Based on that I can give him benefit of doubt too... Because of that only I loved the scene where virat is standing up for aai but I can't accept IPS virat chavan the one we saw in GC , the one who arrested jagdap and amay.... Even Sai I seriously can't get why the hell they are trying to unite harini which didn't have empathy, I would have felt happy when they left virat and sai let them go, and virat sai Mohit and ashwini stay back instead of anjane dialogue.

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