Virat is the Victim... - Page 16

Originally posted by: Magnifique

Butting in just to say that I agree about fans making us hate characters. Same happened to me earlier, I started to dislike virat because of the excessive defence of his fans. It made me see all the faulrs, I could have looked over.

I had to avoid some posts to start seeing things objectively again.

I agree. I love people sharing diff POV’s but unnecessary defense and hating on other characters in the process completely destroys the viewing experience. Some of the posts especially which says Virat is the victim & Sai made him act inhumanely is so repulsive and problematic. He is shown as an MCP. I don’t know why it offends ppl when he’s called out for that. I mean that’s how they showed him.
Yes fans do make us dislike characters I try to stay away from most Sai VS Virat posts because even after all these atrocities the defense ppl come up with is distasteful. Putting his POV and defending him for his inhumane actions are 2 diff things. But again I’m not surprised because many openly states they hate Sai. So no wonder they hate on the character. Isn’t it easy to hype your favourite character than finding fault with others and unnecessary defense. I am happy some people pointed it out here.

Anamika,

Loved reading your posts. Thank you for voicing it out. I appreciate the way you called out some for hating on fictional characters and real people. It was much needed. Your posts are objective and unbiased too. I like reading your analysis on most characters

I’m sad to know you had a bad experience in the beginning. But they are also many who are up for constructive engagement. You will find many here & I’m sure that will be a memorable experience. Well I am sure by now you know how people get labelled and attacked here.

Anyway wish you a good experience with the forum

Originally posted by: _charu_

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I just want him to man up to his mistakes ( which he made in the beginning of this story.. how he got pakhi married to samrat and how he married sai) and come up with a good solution. I don't want him to be disrespectful to patralekha....while he is ready to move on, she is not ..I don't really have a good enuf solution to his problem jiska.naam.pakhi hai 😆probably he doesn't wanna hurt anyone ...but aisa Hoga nai. So with sai he can be upfront about his feelings. I will accept all character flaws i am very generous 😆

@bold well, this is also not entirely true. He is being disrespectful to her in a way. I understand his intentions, his goodness and how loyal he is. I also understand that Pakhi pushed him to speak words that he wouldn't have otherwise spoken like koi aur aurat and all when they both were having a conversation in his room.

I feel that he should have also told her that he had decided to move on and he won't be able to keep his promise. He promised her with some good intentions and with sincerity, so I would have expected him to clear this in the right way with Pakhi. Pakhi is not right to expect anything from him but she had also trusted his promise of not moving on his life in a way while marrying Samrat. He was ready to move on long before but she is still stuck, that is not his fault, he did mislead her in the past for sometime though.

Virat, the guy that he is could have been sensitive when he actually broke the promise. Whether she accepts it or not, obviously she wouldn't but he also should have handled it in a better way.

I also don't understand and getting annoyed when he gets confused whenever Pakhi grows angry, like he acted clueless when she left the hospital, later at home too he is saying I don't know why you are upset and even when she left his room recently, he is acting confused as why should she cry.

She had told him clearly that she has feelings for him, hasn't moved on and was also expecting him to reciprocate her feelings, then how can he act blind whenever she gets hurt or angry looking at his closeness with Sai (emotionally and physically). He obviously is right when he tells her that she shouldn't be bothered if he and Sai are close or if he supports Sai or if he chooses Sai since they share a relationship as that of a husband and wife, like how he had told her on the day of holi. At that time, he had no clue about where she stood, but after their talk in his room, how can he act confused?

And I don't know how to react when he was joking with Sai yesterday. Yes, it is good that he didn't shout at Sai to have made fun of Pakhi, but can he join with her and make fun of her too? May be he can because he also has never understood why Pakhi takes everything as an insult.

Even if that is understood, it would only be good if Virat had thought about what had happened. He is so drowned in the thoughts that Sai is planning to leave the house that he is ignoring Pakhi's unreasonable expectations.

Such expectations should sound alarming to him. Even though he has told Pakhi that expecting him to be made a nominee is wrong, I don't know what else he can do about it but looks like he better addresses it before Pakhi develops more such unreasonable and unethical expectations. I think when he sees Pakhi acting normal the next day, he lets it go but he also got confused when Pakhi had at the end refused to take a lift from him saying she remembered that her parents weren't going to be at home.

These should make him think that she had changed her decision after she came to know that Sai was going to hospital with him.

Sai had also spoken Pakhi's thoughts loud by asking Pakhi "if Pakhi didn't expect Sai to go with Virat and why would she even think that way when she is here to only take care of him". This clearly indicates that Pakhi had initially thought that Virat was going alone and hence had agreed to go and dropped the plan as soon as she realised Sai was accompanying him.

I don't know if he notices these things about Pakhi atleast now and how he can address these issues. As you have said, I am not sure of the solution to his problem. The earlier he finds a solution the better it would be for him. And for that, he first has to start acting alert, has to understand what is happening, has to realise how serious the issue is and only then can he even think of addressing it.

Originally posted by: Roseee12

Anamika,

Loved reading your posts. Thank you for voicing it out. I appreciate the way you called out some for hating on fictional characters and real people. It was much needed. Your posts are objective and unbiased too. I like reading your analysis on most characters

I’m sad to know you had a bad experience in the beginning. But they are also many who are up for constructive engagement. You will find many here & I’m sure that will be a memorable experience. Well I am sure by now you know how people get labelled and attacked here.

Anyway wish you a good experience with the forum

Hey

That's very sweet of you. I just said what I felt. I had no intention to argue or offend people. I hope the post won't be taken in the wrong sense

Thank you! Yes, I have found really nice people on the forum too. Many here are so insightful and coperative.

It still baffles me how people expect others to view the reel characters the way they view it and if you fail to follow the majority opinion you are called names by the self-proclaimed neutral fans. Where is the respect for others' perspectives? If you think Sai’s mistakes are not as intense as Virat then jta your PoV and others are not obligated to feel the same

If certain posts make you hate a character then the problem lies in you not in others' posts because you failed to see the whole thing objectively. Let's stop blaming others for it and just because you feel you are unbiased doesn't mean that's the truth and everyone would feel the same.

Lastly, if something triggers you and you don't find certain posts to your taste then please ignore such post and find a like minded group instead of ganging up to stop the user from expressing his or her view. Let's not forget our posts might be triggering others as well so and just because we Dont feel so doesn't change the reality.

Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9

Nitu , don't be shocked this new defination of unbiasness & constructive discussion , pls try to learn it , u will improve u vocabulary .

Unbiasness means keep criticizing ML mercilessly ,keep singing FL is flawed & keep claiming urself unbiased.

Constructive criticism keep mocking , targetting others , keep ranting there is no constructive discussion .

Originally posted by: Magnifique

Hmm, I'm an occasional poster myself and never took a contrasting opinion as hostility.

Maybe, we should stop taking things personally ? See, when we write things we can easily misunderstand the tone. I just try to take the points and discuss because that's why I come to this forum to understand the show better. I don't take people not agreeing with me as an affront. It's just the extrapolation, exaggeration and sometimes irrational defence that gets me.

I am sorry but when hostility is clearly obvious in some posts; i will not take them in any other way.

It was not just about contrasting opinions; it was straight up - "what? I was accused of this? when did i say this? show me where I said this? you quoted? how could you quote? so if you quoted it means you think I said this? OR it was what? how can you say that? do you not see what is problematic and wrong with your POV?" There is no regard that perhaps the post is written in the current context

ALSO I keep saying 10000 times, that in the world of shows I watch; if there was domestic abuse then 1. before the episode where he asks Sai to LEAVE and never return, and if it was meant to be portrayed as abuse then the promos for the episode would have stated "VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED. Now do NOT tell me that ITV is so forward in times that it gives its viewers the discretion to decide if something is abuse or not. I am NOT saying it is NOT abuse; i am saying did the CVs want us to believe it was abuse or were they following norms of all ITV heroes specially numerous ones on number 1 channel. 2. He would never have been forgiven or he would be seen as this person who does not repent (sadly. a lot of SP MLs have manhandled their SO/FL); 3. He would either have a track with Pakhi or no track at all and be a villain 4. If he was a changed man, his FL would be someone else.

So, taking everything into account and where we are with his character now; is it then not up to the CVs to SHOW more than just repentance; because clearly there are some who are not happy with what is shown.

Those of us that understand that he has repented and there is no chance that he gets with Pakhi or gets a different FL see him as trying his best to make up for his past misdeeds. THAT is then questioned.

However, as many of our fellow members have pointed out, if we are to nit pick Sai's actions from the start there is a lot that we can ask explanations for. However, i have realised that even mentioning Sai means that my mindset is twisted so i will refrain.

Does this make sense?

Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

It still baffles me how people expect others to view the reel characters the way they view it and if you fail to follow the majority opinion you are called names by the self-proclaimed neutral fans. Where is the respect for others' perspectives? If you think Sai’s mistakes are not as intense as Virat then jta your PoV and others are not obligated to feel the same

If certain posts make you hate a character then the problem lies in you not in others' posts because you failed to see the whole thing objectively. Let's stop blaming others for it and just because you feel you are unbiased doesn't mean that's the truth and everyone would feel the same.

Lastly, if something triggers you and you don't find certain posts to your taste then please ignore such post and find a like minded group instead of ganging up to stop the user from expressing his or her view. Let's not forget our posts might be triggering others as well so and just because we Dont feel so doesn't change the reality.

I can only speak for myself:

1. i have never said I hate Sai; in fact I like her and her bold ways; I find that she is not at all diplomatic, she is loud, etc. However, I have also said MANY times that I LOVE how she is with Devi; I love how she is with Ashwini ma; i love her banter with Viru. and currently I love how she understands Harini and is trying to explain to Pulkit and Viru that H is a kid. Words are being put into my mouth.

2. When I said i have disliked characters in the past because of the fans then that was me saying the truth because some fans just try very hard to force their opinion that you lose interest in a character and it is easy to start resenting a character that is the cause of numerous arguments. However, i never want to be there with Sai because I like her and I am so looking forward to her story with Viru.

3. What i find problematic was that a post was written on Viru, and suddenly this post cropped up and yes I did feel that there was a lot of ganging up on the Viru fangirls. Even though, from the first day itself I have AGREED that he was wrong when he kicked Sai out. That does not mean that he does not deserve a chance to repent.

4. I asked in a post - do people want him to throw Pakhi out next time? If he telling her that she is just a friend, she needs to leave him alone, she cannot come to his room is NOT working, what do they want? The answers I got were: where have we said we want Pakhi thrown out? Gosh, I ASKED if that is what you want him to do. The answer i was expecting was "NO, but he might have to be even sterner and maybe raise his voice" or whatever, just an example. Instead I got - what? I never said that? show me where I said that? How can you think I would say that? So what else can one think but that there is underlying hostility

Disclaimer: These are only my thoughts from how I understood the characters. I could be wrong. My experiences with life and people around me could have influenced my understanding too. :)

I wanted to write about Virat's behavior for quite sometime now but was not sure how to convey his situation. He is definitely in a 'tricky' situation for a good man like him, who thinks about all the possible outcomes and about everyone. This situation could have been so simple for Sai kind of a person, who is also good but impulsive and straightforward. So to first understand the behavior of Virat in dealing this situation with Pakhi and Sai, we have to ponder on his personality and the circumstances he is in.

I know sometimes CVs dont give us good dialogues and the character arc so we get confused at character's behavior. We have a good actor like Neil who conveys some of the complications/deliberations that Virat's character faces. If we can observe them closely, may be we get some answers. But as an actor he can do only so much. Anyways, let me put down my thoughts on his behavior. Lets see where Virat stands now

1. Virat is an emotional, guarded and a private person. He gives lot of importance to his family and relationships to the extent of personal suffering.

2. He is an independent man at the same time when it comes to his personal life. He can make important decisions on his marriage and when to throw his wife out and how to beg her back if needed. He acts according to his emotions. True he gets influenced by his family, but throwing his wife out and begging her back is his own doing. :)

3. He is the only person at the moment, who knows what Pakhi's intentions are, their past and present relationship status, his deal marriage conditions with Sai and the extent of his feelings towards Sai. And recently Sai's fondness and attraction towards him. Yes, he knows Sai is into this marriage but still angry about their last fight.

4. Only thing he is not able to gauge correctly is the extent of obsession Sai has for his deal word and her insecurities towards him. He thinks it is Sai's brashness that speaks rudely about him and Pakhi, but not her insecurities.

Now why he behaves the way he does...?

He being a thoughtful person and a responsible one, he 'overthinks' about the consequences. We should not forget that he loves Samrat a lot. Their bond is something which is not explored now a days but in the beginning it was shown that Virat has huge regard for him. If we keep that in mind, his actions towards Pakhi make more sense. HE IS NOT DEALING WITH EX-LOVER. HE IS DEALING WITH HIS BROTHER'S WIFE. For him, he has to live with these people for his entire life under one roof! Day in and day out he has to face her. It is not a small problem to brush off to start with.

He can easily expose Pakhi in front of the family. Sai is capable of doing it, Virat is not! For Sai, a wrong is wrong no matter who does it. She came from a nuclear family. And in her impulsiveness and her insecurity over losing her husband, she will confront her. (which I think will happen soon no wonder!). But Virat will not. He knows that he will not be exposing ex-lover pakhi. He will be exposing the intentions of his brother's wife, his bhabhi, elder DIL of Chawan family, and a woman...He thinks about all these things. Again, he is the same person who was very brash to her when she came to his room and confessed her feelings for him. He told her she is the third person, he warned her not to compare herself with his wife, he asked her to mind her own business and he cleared with her that whatever feelings he had for her were fleeting!! This is a big NO from his side. Like I said, he is an independent man when it comes to his personal life. He told her on face what she means to him. But he will not say all this in front of the family...

Now, coming to his muteness in front of Sai. I can only say from my observation of Virat's expressions and from above points. Virat doesnt want to bring Pakhi in his equation with Sai. He wants to rebuild everything with Sai afresh. If I remember correctly, not even once in their conversations or fights, he confessed in front of Sai that Pakhi is the person who he was committed to. Did he? (Except for one ocassion where he slipped 'pyaar' instead of 'dost' which added to Sai's obsession with deal.) It was Sai who guessed it, it was her who nurtured and nourished their ex-bond in her mind. For Virat, he brushes it off because he wants Sai to think that there is no trace of any feelings for Pakhi. He wants their relationship to be free from Pakhi. He expects her to understand this through his actions. If he has to come clean with Pakhi in words then he has to tell Sai that he once intended to marry Pakhi and she was the commitment that he was talking about during marriage. For all the reason we already discussed before he doesnt want to accept that in front of Sai. He brushed aside the Pakhi phase as a fleeting moment and he wants Sai also to not ponder on it. May be he is aware that Sai is prone to speaking her mind, and this information can give her more details which she would reveal in front of others casually. The previous statement is just a guess. The summary is he doesn't want Sai to give any importance to whatever relationship he had in the past. So he plays it casual in front of her and pretends it never existed.

Then why doesnt he confess his love?. I already expressed multiple times, that he wants to see where Sai stands with him. But if you observe his recent behavior, he knows Sai likes him, she is attracted to him. May be he was planning to confess with the kiss yesterday. But Pakhi's interruption brought him to reality that Sai is still planning to leave him. He has to first make sure she stays willingly and then he will take no time in confessing. He already made up his mind. To his muteness when Pakhi taunts Sai, I would say is his sympathy towards her. On the side, he is making umpteen amends with Sai in his own way by showering his love. Sai also sees that but doesnt want to believe it due to his initial deal words. She just needs a clear confession from his mouth.

And lastly his behavior towards Pakhi now is not insensitive...he knows her intentions towards him, so he is maintaining the distance. Pakhi's behavior has become redundant with Sai, so he laughed it off when Sai imitated her. He still is the same sensitive person who takes care of her needs as a member of the family. Yesterday near the dining table he behaved as a normal BIL should. He showed to Pakhi that he doesn't share any extra comfort with her but it is his duty to drop his elder SIL if she needs help. He still would not demean her in any way, especially in front of the family.

In summary, Virat and Sai are completely different people who handle situations differently. They are good at heart but respond to situations differently. Virat is grown up in joint family trained to hide uncomfortable things and play safe. Sai is grown up in a nuclear family with simple set of rules. She does not think in a way that Virat weighs everything before acting. He is the person who always knew Sai is good as a person but rebellious. Even in the initial phases of their marriage, he disapproved her actions not her intent. Her actions do not confirm with someone living in a joint family. And as a husband, only he could tell her that, no one else could. Sai might mellow down in future, not because she listens to her husband or not because she is weak or not because she is a woman, because she herself will learn how to stay in a joint family. (just my guess going by KD storyline)

PS: If Virat is so thoughtful why did he throw Sai out? He was dealing with Sai's 'betrayal' for the first time, that too from the woman he loves. So his emotions ran haywire.

Thanks for tagging me Lakhmi. I would not have written this if not for your tag. I was reluctant :)

Originally posted by: Stardust91

I am sorry but when hostility is clearly obvious in some posts; i will not take them in any other way.

It was not just about contrasting opinions; it was straight up - "what? I was accused of this? when did i say this? show me where I said this? you quoted? how could you quote? so if you quoted it means you think I said this? OR it was what? how can you say that? do you not see what is problematic and wrong with your POV?" There is no regard that perhaps the post is written in the current context

ALSO I keep saying 10000 times, that in the world of shows I watch; if there was domestic abuse then 1. before the episode where he asks Sai to LEAVE and never return, and if it was meant to be portrayed as abuse then the promos for the episode would have stated "VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED. Now do NOT tell me that ITV is so forward in times that it gives its viewers the discretion to decide if something is abuse or not. I am NOT saying it is NOT abuse; i am saying did the CVs want us to believe it was abuse or were they following norms of all ITV heroes specially numerous ones on number 1 channel. 2. He would never have been forgiven or he would be seen as this person who does not repent (sadly. a lot of SP MLs have manhandled their SO/FL); 3. He would either have a track with Pakhi or no track at all and be a villain 4. If he was a changed man, his FL would be someone else.

So, taking everything into account and where we are with his character now; is it then not up to the CVs to SHOW more than just repentance; because clearly there are some who are not happy with what is shown.

Those of us that understand that he has repented and there is no chance that he gets with Pakhi or gets a different FL see him as trying his best to make up for his past misdeeds. THAT is then questioned.

However, as many of our fellow members have pointed out, if we are to nit pick Sai's actions from the start there is a lot that we can ask explanations for. However, i have realised that even mentioning Sai means that my mindset is twisted so i will refrain.

Does this make sense?

Nope, I really didn't understand the point you tried to make about the abuse. Kicking out your wife out in middle of the night out of a house you share is not acceptable.

About his repentance, yes, I want makers to build the trust again. He is on the good track right now, they just need to link things and add more depth. Nothing was shown yet to make us trust him not to throw her again like he did.

@bold , criticising sai just in retaliation is petty. If you felt something wrong before then you should have voiced it out. If you didn't then and now just coming out in defence for virat then it's sad.

There is thing called relativity of things for me. You can't compare ascertaining male dominance/ abuse with impulsive behaviour linked to others benefit.

You can call out each one individually but cannot compare same.

Anyways, I might not understand your points fully but respect it. So moving on. See ya around.