Imagine if they made a Mughal TV show - Page 8

Originally posted by: cutejodikangal

unless you have some exclusive handle on such a database and willing to share it with the rest of us. But did I say they never indulged in killing or warfare?

Here you go:

https://www.livehistoryindia.com/history-of-india-2000-years/2020/01/18/ashoka-from-guilty-to-great-269-bce-232-bce

Wesbiet won't let me copy/paste, but he burnt 500 women alive for calling him ugly and had torture chambers.

His 13th rock edict actually documents 100,000 dying in war and 150,000 taken prisoner. This has been recorded in multiple places - Gujarat, Andhra, Uttarakhand, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.

I am fairly certain at this point my posts won't be taken as merely discussing history. I have no intention of getting into a Mughal/Muslim vs Hindu verbal battle. I happen to be neither. My only interest in this debate was history.

Bowing out now as emotional arguments re: God and faith are not my cuppa.

Originally posted by: trouble_006

Hitler also had lots of obsessions(Google can help you with that) but people focus on the genocide coz that's what matters.

@bold : So butchering of folks because they didn't accept the religion being forced on them is okay as long as it's not the single most obsession of the dynasty. Cute.

It's quite clear who has the blinders on here. I'm out.

As mentioned earlier, you do you 👍🏼

Read my post again without prejudice and you'll see how your comparison of Hitler (who left nothing but devastation behind him as a legacy) with the several Mughal emperors is illogical. It is clear from your post that your focus is on religious conversion and is unable to see anything else. Check out HearMeRoar's post where it is explained that the previous Hindu conquerors did not need to convert anybody as a tool of exerting their control, since all of them were of the same faith. All conquerors irrespective of their religion, left death and devastation behind them. That's it. Not interested in arguing with you anymore and I will not be replying to any more provocative posts.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I am fairly certain at this point my posts won't be taken as merely discussing history. I have no intention of getting into a Mughal/Muslim vs Hindu verbal battle. I happen to be neither. My only interest in this debate was history.

Bowing out now as emotional arguments re: God and faith are not my cuppa.

Originally posted by: aish.

THIS. Every post here isnt about just the Mughal atrocity but has a Hindu vs Muslim undertone it, no matter who denies. Worst possible discussion to have in 2021.

But can you deny that the Sultanate and many Mughal emperors were barbaric? They engaged in temple, library and university discussion. It's DOCUMENTED in history.

Sorry, but facts are facts. Can't stop discussing these just because some over-sensitive political correctness warriors are offended.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

But can you deny that the Sultanate and many Mughal emperors were barbaric? They engaged in temple, library and university discussion. It's DOCUMENTED in history.

Sorry, but facts are facts. Can't stop discussing these just because some over-sensitive political correctness warriors are offended.

Don't worry, I'm not offended or I don't get my 'sentiments hurt' over something that happened in possibly 1600 to an ancesstor whose name I dont even know.

Originally posted by: aish.

No. Infact if you read my first post, I said the show should be made only if they show positive AND negatives and don't whitewash them.

Don't worry, I'm not offended or I don't get my 'sentiments hurt' over something that happened in possibly 1600 to an ancesstor whose name I dont even know.

But another person might care, right? There are people who care about history. Will you ask the grandson of a Holocaust survivor to forget what happened? "Oh you didn't even meet your grandma so forget what Nazis did to her"?

Will you ask Indians to "forget" the British rule? Will you ask Black people to forget their ancestors who were enslaved?

This "Oh forget history, it means nothing at all? ".

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

But another person might care, right? There are people who care about history. Will you ask the grandson of a Holocaust survivor to forget what happened? "Oh you didn't even meet your grandma so forget what Nazis did to her"?

Will you ask Indians to "forget" the British rule? Will you ask Black people to forget their ancestors who were enslaved?

This "Oh forget history, it means nothing at all? ".

Also stop mixing black and white. Issues like that of racism among blacks, Kashmiri pandits being displaced have their relevance till date, people are still suffering.

Tell me who is suffering because of British rule or Mughal rule today? Also whose Grandma was alive in 1600?

I will educate my children about thr British rule and their atrocities like my parents educated me. But I won't teach them to still be mad about it, like my parents taught me not to be. Its a part of histroy that needs to be known, not stuck with.

Tell me how many Indians are stuck with the British rule today? I mean even in cricket matches people care only about India vs Pak, not Ind vs Eng even though the British were the cruel ones for centuries. Becsuse one is past, the other is present. Especially when the entire reason we are two countries is one British policy- Divide and rule.

And im out.

How do you know that Hindu rulers did not do all that, as Ancient India is not very well recorded, all the accounts or stories have came from outside sources. Such as ancient Greeks/China.

Yes, show all the good and bad that Mughals did, I do not mind as its part of history. I also agree about whitewashing no need.

History is all about learning and not repeat the same mistakes that our ancestors did, but humans nature is they never learn. Hence, this quote "History Repeats Itself".

Whether you believe it or not in actual Islam, there is no such thing as force conversion.

How many were forced and or converted themselves we will never know.

I am out from this argument, said what I wanted to say.