Imagine if they made a Mughal TV show - Page 4

There is web series made on mouguls by Nikhil Advani starring Kunal kapoor,Deno Morea, shabana Azmi and Drashti dhami.Web series shooting is still going on i think it will realease soon on hotstar i think may be mid of this year not sure though.They are keeping everything secret even actors are restricted to post pics from shoot.

Originally posted by: MommaDarling

There was one called Siyasat on Epic TV. It was based on the book The Twentieth Wife and was about mughal politics and the love story of Salim and Mehrunnisa

https://youtu.be/DifPWH7AWiA

As for your topic, yes a web series is being made about the Mughal kingdom from Babur to Aurangazeb by Nikhil Advani. It's called Moghuls and will be streaming on Hotstar as per media reports.

Siyasaat was better made than most royal shows as it had more politics than romance

The meherunissa and salim love story was in back ground and not in your face like jodha akbar etc

only thing i did not like was it showed salim always doing as meherunissa aka nur jahan told him

Its tough to believe a 16-17 year old will guide 26 year old prince on how to do politics?

are we to assume a teenager know real court politics better than a royal whose surrounded by vicious politics always from birth and also well versed in war games and court politics than his lover

otherwise the politics shown was similar to what may have happened in mughal courts

Originally posted by: aish.

A show can be made if they show not just the positive but the negatives as well. Don't whitewash them.

On another note, if people are still carrying hate from something that happened so many years ago and are still offended about it, they really need to get a job lol. There are other things that should hurt people's feelings TODAY, like the condition of women in india.

I don't think anyone is carrying hate. It's just no one wants to see unnecessary glorification of Mughal emperors ( which Bwood tends to do) when in reality they were invaders.

Originally posted by: MallikaDua

Not just that, they will also have to show how the status of women deteriorated during the Mughal reign. The 'Pardah' system got introduced in order to protect the women. In South where the Mughal influence was not much, the parda system did not develop.

They are not going to show all this. They will just present the Mughal emperors as efficient warriors. The dark and real side will not be shown.

Ekta kapoors jodha akbar showed jodha winning wars for akbar

atleast in this hope that does not happen

Originally posted by: J3601

vikings butchered christians you dont see them bitching about it.... they still make bad ass tv shows about it like Vikings and The Last Kingdom

Did you know entire middle east was more christian and jews and pagan religion before it became actually muslim countries?

Lucky for indians that although attacked so much they failed to convert everyone to muslims like they did to middle east

i had no idea till i read books

Originally posted by: MallikaDua

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Ind has always been highly advanced when it comes to architecture. The temples of South Ind are masterpieces ! I have visited Taj Mahal and I kept on wondering why is it counted in seven wonders of the world when there are much more beautiful and incredible other things in Ind. About food, not everyone prefers Mughalai cuisine .The contribution towards it becomes insignificant if it comes at the cost of mass butchering of people. In terms of warfare, Ind was already highly advanced.The gains from the Mughal empire were much less than what was lost.

Did I say that we were living in huts before the Mughals came? There were glorious examples of architecture before and after them. Ditto with food. But that does not mean that their influence on our culture, food and architecture should be discounted. They just contributed a chapter in the ongoing saga of India. Regarding warfare, Babur's artillery played a significant role in establishing the Mughal Empire. Babur's cannons played a major role in demolishing Lodi's elephant cavalry. The Mughals changed the rules of warfare forever in the Indian continent. Yes they looted,pillaged and disrupted the lives of common people. But that's what any other kingdom whether Hindu or Muslim would do to their enemy kingdom. Mughals simply covered a longer swathe than usual. I don't see any other kingdoms weeping over the fate of the people falling before the swords of the Mughals. Better them than us was the sentiment. Even the Vijaynagar empire in the South had good things to say about the Mughals but hated their immediate neighbours and rivals the Muslim Deccan Sultans. Benevolent kings were few and far between and they simply didn't last.

Originally posted by: trouble_006

@bold : I would love to see people talk about Hitler's regime the same way. I mean imagine someone saying, 'Talk about Hitler and topic shifts to genocide of Jews, all the changes and impact he had on employment, economy, life of women in Germany gets pushed to the side'.

FYI Akbar did his share of crappy shit too even by the standards of his era (unless you are comparing him to other Mughar rulers). And the architecture, fashion, culture in India then didn't really need the intervention of the invaders.

Sometimes when talking about genocide and exploitation of millions, it's better not to compare it to 'architecture' and 'fashion'. Seems a bit superfluous to compare such things. But you do you👍🏼

First of all you can't compare the reign of the Mughals (comprising several individuals over hundreds of years) against a single individual Hitler. The attitudes changed depending on who was on the throne and the political atmosphere of the time. The Mughals did a lot of things as each of the emperors had his own obsession astrology (Humayun), anatomy(Jehangir), religion (Akbar),conquering the Deccan(Aurangzeb) etc. They did not spend the whole time coming up with different ways of butchering their Hindu subjects. Hitler on the contrary had one and only one obsession. Did he have a Jewish wife or mother who could have influenced his decisions? But I wouldn't expect anyone with their blinkers-on attitude for recognizing the ridiculousness of this comparison. And I was comparing Akbar with his contemporaries in Europe who waged Crusades for centuries on Jerusalem.Compared to their fantaticism he's comparatively very broadminded acknowledging the truth of all religions.

Originally posted by: cutejodikangal

These are the cock and bull stories that the Congress tried to feed the country for decades because of which the majority finally lost faith in them and decided to give a chance to BJP (who are going berserk in another direction which is a debate for another topic). Whether you are a current day Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian or of any other religion- it’s a given that ALL your ancestors have been butchered, raped, tormented , insulted and you name it. It’s another thing that we need to move on from it, leave the past behind and look into future. But if someone is going to come and tell me these stupid stories and pass these invaders as the evangelists who brought in love and peace then I am not going to sit and listen to it.

Like as if otherwise India was living in poverty and illiteracy. If anything these invaders made sure that the people who don’t give in to their brutality and convert either ended up dead or illiterate and poor -they destroyed all the well known Universities and educational institutes and made sure no education happened for the masses. There was no poverty and the Indian Kingdoms were flourishing with wealth , prosperity and much more advanced in terms of art&literature than the rest of the world- the main reason why they became the target of the invasions in the first place. Ha one thing they definitely brought in - intolerance. Before these invaders showed up, the people in the Indian Kingdoms were much more tolerant and welcoming of the foreigners and other religions.

By your argument before the Mughals came, all kingdoms were good friends of each other and everything was hunky dory.On the contrary, each kingdom cared about their immediate neighbours' policies and couldn't care less about the fate of another kingdom lying geographically far. And I wouldn't depend on any political party to teach me history. They have their own agenda. The Mughals documented their era very well (flatteringly too as can be expected) and at the same time there are European accounts of their era too. Yes, the Mughals started as invaders. But somewhere down the generations and intermarriage with locals, they became part of us. We can't forget the depredations they did. But at the same time we can't write off their contributions which went into shaping us to be who we are today.

Originally posted by: ninny

Well good or bad nothing changes the fact that they were invaders and they invaded the land for their own agenda/benefit. Now I understand that is how empires were formed but if we look at it today then you can't deny they did lot of damage to the people and culture they invaded. They didn't gift us their Art, food, architecture and culture, they brought it along with themselves and we as a society adopted to it Just like how we adopted English. It's just like people hate British empire for colonization. I mean you wouldn't like if your neighbor suddenly decides to invade your house and treat you like shit while he eats from your refrigerator.

I respect my ancestors' resourcefulness which made them survive the Mughals, the Europeans and the innumerable neighbouring kingdoms which attacked our little corner in India. But I don't see the Mughals as anything other than one among the many who committed atrocities. But eventhough they started out as invaders, sometime or other they became part of the land they conquered. Babur started out hating everything about India...the climate, the food etc. But by Jehangir's time the emperor had a tough time getting his soldiers to campaign for him outside India in Kandehar. The Mughals married local women, the children born to them had equal rights to the throne. They left their foot prints behind on everything and you can't wipe them out of our history. Acknowledge the good and bad they did. As for your neighbour analogy, won't it be a different matter if the neighbour raiding your refrigerator is your own grand-child?

The truth most likely lines in between the extreme points of Mughals being barbaric and butchers v/s them being noble kings who did a lot of good for Hindostan.

Those times were of expansionism and the Mughals did just that everyone else was doing back then. They started as invaders and did the classic invader shit but overtime, amalgamated with the locals of the country and became rulers - there was an exchange of culture amongst the more passive rulers before the era of Aurangzeb

Do people think that the remaining kings and rulers were just pure pacifists and did not wage wars and did not cause damage to local resources? The Mauryan empire did not expand to all corners of the Indian subcontinent by playing Ludo with the local kings. Temples were raided and looted because Temples back then were power centers of a kingdom. Raiding of temples was a very common practice amongst Hindu kingdoms as well for the above reason.

Mughal Empire has had many kings with varying degrees of religious tolerance - from the more tolerant Akbar who established Din-e-illahi to the fiercely intolerant Aurangzeb to the middling Babar and co. who were proponents of Sufi-ism. Painting them all with the same broad strokes just doesn't work

TIME plays a very important role in giving context to the actions. Without time, we would end up blaming the Indian local kings of cosying up with the British and ruining our country for 200 years. But during that time, forming alliances with strong forces like that of British to expand their kingdom was the norm. I seriously doubt any of them could have ever estimated the damage the British would do to this country in the long run